Uddersfield (H) League 1- 06/10/07

[kshammer]

Can I join the anti-clique clique. God I hate them so i'd love to be a member of that one... :?

As for the Walsall match, its only probably what everyone else has said (but I couldn't be arsed to read all the posts), but what a team performance! I can't remember us playing that well for ages and I honestly think we didn't play that well at any stage of last year when we were champs.

The team had balance, 2 solid fullbacks, 2 calm centre backs, Dobbo sitting with Bradley and Mattis doing the running, fast exciting wingers and a powerful, intelligent target man. I can't praise them or DD enough. All the hassle thats gone on at the club over the last few weeks seems to have forged a real team spirit and I think the captaincy will bring the best out of Mooney.

I'm the first to criticise when we're bad but must hold my hand up and praise the likes of Dobbo who i've moaned about. He was excellent and long may it continue.

[Geordiesaddler]

I think Exile and Leamore are missing the point (such as it is), the point of this ridiculous debate being IRONY.

You get Philthesaddler, champion of "I will have my opinion" going on the Oldham match-thread with the tired old "I told you sos" aimed specifically at people who read things differently to him, and whose only crime is to support their team and to have a less than jaundice view of Walsall FC.

Philthesaddler is pretty unique in this respect, most people, whatever their general viewpoint are happy to conceed when they are wrong, apologise when they have overstepped the mark etc. Phil's ego doesn't permit him to do this, to me that completely undermines his contribution to the board and any serious debate about Walsall FC.

That's my opinion based on many years of reading his posts, to me the most healthy thing to occur with someone who takes themselves so seriously is that they are routinely subjected to ridicule, the vast majority of which will of course will inevitabley be self-inflicted. Watcing Phil try and debate seriously about Walsall FC is a bit like watching Bazil Fawlty dig himself out of his myriad self-made holes, pitiful, but at the same time scrabulously funny.

As a Saddlers fan, I also consider someone who routinely ridicules evey aspect of the football club that I support to be utterly fair game for retort on a similar level, that is simple fair play as far as I'm concerned, same as banter with someone who supports another club and chooses to ridicule Walsall FC.

For the record, and for the umpteenth time, I agree with Phil that the appointment of an assitant is timely and positive, but in his blood-vessel burtsing attempts to shore up his flagging argument about the impending demise of Walsall FC, he did of course inevitabley miss this.

[Ned_Kelly]

....and so is yours 8) it's simply all down to opinions.

As was Rhys Weston as MOM Vs Oldham. Whoevers opinion it was needs shooting :wink:

[Salop Saddler]

....and so is yours 8) it's simply all down to opinions.

As was Rhys Weston as MOM Vs Oldham. Whoevers opinion it was needs shooting :wink:

:wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: Somebody needed shooting...I agree :lol: :!:

[Exile]

I think Exile and Leamore are missing the point (such as it is), the point of this ridiculous debate being IRONY.

Nah, mate. I was making a different point, which you must have missed. :wink:

Love,
Exile
fellow member of the intelligensia clique

[Salop Saddler]

I think Exile and Leamore are missing the point (such as it is), the point of this ridiculous debate being IRONY.

Nah, mate. I was making a different point, which you must have missed. :wink:

Love,
Exile
fellow member of the intelligensia clique

Hang on, this option NEVER appeared on the clique option diagram. Why not? Once I track down where you live you can stand by...

[Exile]

I think Exile and Leamore are missing the point (such as it is), the point of this ridiculous debate being IRONY.

Nah, mate. I was making a different point, which you must have missed. :wink:

Love,
Exile
fellow member of the intelligensia clique

Hang on, this option NEVER appeared on the clique option diagram. Why not? Once I track down where you live you can stand by...

The clues were there - guess you're just not smart enough to follow them..... :wink:

[Salop Saddler]

I think Exile and Leamore are missing the point (such as it is), the point of this ridiculous debate being IRONY.

Nah, mate. I was making a different point, which you must have missed. :wink:

Love,
Exile
fellow member of the intelligensia clique

Hang on, this option NEVER appeared on the clique option diagram. Why not? Once I track down where you live you can stand by...

The clues were there - guess you're just not smart enough to follow them..... :wink:

Hmph...see if I care. I was on the verge forming my own clique anyway. BTW Geordie, Exile and Leamore were spot on.

[womblesaddler]

I think Exile and Leamore are missing the point (such as it is), the point of this ridiculous debate being IRONY.

You get Philthesaddler, champion of "I will have my opinion" going on the Oldham match-thread with the tired old "I told you sos" aimed specifically at people who read things differently to him, and whose only crime is to support their team and to have a less than jaundice view of Walsall FC.

Philthesaddler is pretty unique in this respect, most people, whatever their general viewpoint are happy to conceed when they are wrong, apologise when they have overstepped the mark etc. Phil's ego doesn't permit him to do this, to me that completely undermines his contribution to the board and any serious debate about Walsall FC.

That's my opinion based on many years of reading his posts, to me the most healthy thing to occur with someone who takes themselves so seriously is that they are routinely subjected to ridicule, the vast majority of which will of course will inevitabley be self-inflicted. Watcing Phil try and debate seriously about Walsall FC is a bit like watching Bazil Fawlty dig himself out of his myriad self-made holes, pitiful, but at the same time scrabulously funny.

As a Saddlers fan, I also consider someone who routinely ridicules evey aspect of the football club that I support to be utterly fair game for retort on a similar level, that is simple fair play as far as I'm concerned, same as banter with someone who supports another club and chooses to ridicule Walsall FC.

For the record, and for the umpteenth time, I agree with Phil that the appointment of an assitant is timely and positive, but in his blood-vessel burtsing attempts to shore up his flagging argument about the impending demise of Walsall FC, he did of course inevitabley miss this.

As much as i have respect for most of your posts Geordie, i think this is a little OTT, these are Phil's views and he does deserve RESPECT for that even if people dont agree, i have trawled through this thread and some views he mentioned such as playing with wingers and full backs overlaping and the retention of the ball have been by passed to suit peoples arguments IMO. It just seems that everytime that Phil posts something now that he has to be ridiculed, totally unfair. Rather than picking out some off the cuff comments phill may make i like to look at both sides of the argument or discussion and bring both sides together to try and get a fair picture, imo Phill contributes to that.

UTS

[Geordiesaddler]

Respect? I find it difficult to respect someone who repeatedly calls me "a moron" and many other expletives over the course of the last 12 months, simply for having an different view to his.

Of course he is entitled to his opinion :roll: :roll:
But if he can't take the obvious retort he shouldn't post in the following manner.

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject:

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Well, well, well Geordie.

You lambasted me last week after the Millwall game for suggesting that we might not possibly have turned the corner, and that the win might be a flash in the pan, and guess what, I was right.

Oh, add to that at the start of the season when I said the team was weaker than that that finished last season, you lambasted me again, telling me I knew nothing and that i couldn't be more wrong, well, well, well, proved right again. .....

Maybe Geordie [and others] you might just listen to my opinions in future, because I was spot on last saturday in what I said. There are major problems at the club, in the management and in the squad. We have gone backwards since last season, and we are seeing the consequences. Simple as.

Get it????

Its not about the right to opinion, its about the right to reply.

By the way I had up to that point never told Phil he "knew nothing" I had rather stupidly, tried to engage in a reasonable debate with him, that despite being called "a cock" on one particular match thread when Phil made an idiot of himself, and various other names this season. I did invite Phil to swivel on my middle digit following the Hartlepool game, but later apologised, something that Phil evidently hasn't got in his locker.

I am absolutely pig sick of people going on about how this board is so much the better for this apparent diversity. I don't see it like that. What is stimulating or diverse about posters with closed minds, and self-fulfilling arguments? they are IMO the most boring imaginable. Invariably they are the first to invoke the "right to opinion" and the first to retort with insults and I told you sos to anyone that has the temerity to disagree with them.

I've never disputed that Phil or anyone else has valid points to make, what I am saying is that their entrenched viewpoints, and the manner in which they express their opinions undermines the value of what they have to say.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but I will say now (no doubt to a collective Amen) that I won't be saying it again!! Those with enough intelligence to decipher plain English will have understood what I'm saying whether they agree with it or not, but like it or not that is my OPINION.

[Exile]

Top post Geordie. :wink:

[tinned]

Top post Geordie. :wink:

Can't you put in on t'front page Exy?

:twisted:

[Geordiesaddler]

By jove I don't think he got it. :wink: :shock:

[Salop Saddler]

Top post Geordie. :wink:

Yow do mek me loff :lol:

[Salop Saddler]

Respect? I find it difficult to respect someone who repeatedly calls me "a moron" and many other expletives over the course of the last 12 months, simply for having an different view to his.

Of course he is entitled to his opinion :roll: :roll:
But if he can't take the obvious retort he shouldn't post in the following manner.

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject:

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Well, well, well Geordie.

You lambasted me last week after the Millwall game for suggesting that we might not possibly have turned the corner, and that the win might be a flash in the pan, and guess what, I was right.

Oh, add to that at the start of the season when I said the team was weaker than that that finished last season, you lambasted me again, telling me I knew nothing and that i couldn't be more wrong, well, well, well, proved right again. .....

Maybe Geordie [and others] you might just listen to my opinions in future, because I was spot on last saturday in what I said. There are major problems at the club, in the management and in the squad. We have gone backwards since last season, and we are seeing the consequences. Simple as.

Get it????

Its not about the right to opinion, its about the right to reply.

By the way I had up to that point never told Phil he "knew nothing" I had rather stupidly, tried to engage in a reasonable debate with him, that despite being called "a appendage" on one particular match thread when Phil made an idiot of himself, and various other names this season. I did invite Phil to swivel on my middle digit following the Hartlepool game, but later apologised, something that Phil evidently hasn't got in his locker.

I am absolutely pig sick of people going on about how this board is so much the better for this apparent diversity. I don't see it like that. What is stimulating or diverse about posters with closed minds, and self-fulfilling arguments? they are IMO the most boring imaginable. Invariably they are the first to invoke the "right to opinion" and the first to retort with insults and I told you sos to anyone that has the temerity to disagree with them.

I've never disputed that Phil or anyone else has valid points to make, what I am saying is that their entrenched viewpoints, and the manner in which they express their opinions undermines the value of what they have to say.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but I will say now (no doubt to a collective Amen) that I won't be saying it again!! Those with enough intelligence to decipher plain English will have understood what I'm saying whether they agree with it or not, but like it or not that is my OPINION.

Then join us all at that trough of yours, and get behind the lads for gods sake.

[philthesaddler]

Money Without An Assistant

P36 w12 d11 l13 Pts47 f37 a39

Pts Per Game: 1.30
Goals for per game: 1.05
Goals against per Game: 1.11

Money With an Assistant

P28 w18 d7 l3 pts61 f45 a15

Pts Per Game: 2.17 (+61%)
Goals for per game: 1.60 (+52%)
Goals against per game: 0.53 (-65%)

[sid swifty]

Money Without An Assistant

P35 w12 d16 l13 Pts47 f37 a39

Pts Per Game: 1.34
Goals for per game: 1.05
Goals against per Game: 1.11

Money With an Assistant

P28 w18 d7 l3 pts61 f45 a15

Pts Per Game: 2.17 (+61%)
Goals for per game: 1.60 (+52%)
Goals against per game: 0.53 (-65%)

:wink: Dont let the B's get you down Phil.... :D

[Salop Saddler]

I think Exile and Leamore are missing the point (such as it is), the point of this ridiculous debate being IRONY.

You get Philthesaddler, champion of "I will have my opinion" going on the Oldham match-thread with the tired old "I told you sos" aimed specifically at people who read things differently to him, and whose only crime is to support their team and to have a less than jaundice view of Walsall FC.

Philthesaddler is pretty unique in this respect, most people, whatever their general viewpoint are happy to conceed when they are wrong, apologise when they have overstepped the mark etc. Phil's ego doesn't permit him to do this, to me that completely undermines his contribution to the board and any serious debate about Walsall FC.

That's my opinion based on many years of reading his posts, to me the most healthy thing to occur with someone who takes themselves so seriously is that they are routinely subjected to ridicule, the vast majority of which will of course will inevitabley be self-inflicted. Watcing Phil try and debate seriously about Walsall FC is a bit like watching Bazil Fawlty dig himself out of his myriad self-made holes, pitiful, but at the same time scrabulously funny.

As a Saddlers fan, I also consider someone who routinely ridicules evey aspect of the football club that I support to be utterly fair game for retort on a similar level, that is simple fair play as far as I'm concerned, same as banter with someone who supports another club and chooses to ridicule Walsall FC.

For the record, and for the umpteenth time, I agree with Phil that the appointment of an assitant is timely and positive, but in his blood-vessel burtsing attempts to shore up his flagging argument about the impending demise of Walsall FC, he did of course inevitabley miss this.

As much as i have respect for most of your posts Geordie, i think this is a little OTT, these are Phil's views and he does deserve RESPECT for that even if people dont agree, i have trawled through this thread and some views he mentioned such as playing with wingers and full backs overlaping and the retention of the ball have been by passed to suit peoples arguments IMO. It just seems that everytime that Phil posts something now that he has to be ridiculed, totally unfair. Rather than picking out some off the cuff comments phill may make i like to look at both sides of the argument or discussion and bring both sides together to try and get a fair picture, imo Phill contributes to that.

UTS

Nice post Pete, and welcome back Phil. Some interesting facts and figures there fella.

[philthesaddler]

I never went anywhere!

[King Crimson]

Money Without An Assistant

P35 w12 d16 l13 Pts47 f37 a39

Pts Per Game: 1.34
Goals for per game: 1.05
Goals against per Game: 1.11

Money With an Assistant

P28 w18 d7 l3 pts61 f45 a15

Pts Per Game: 2.17 (+61%)
Goals for per game: 1.60 (+52%)
Goals against per game: 0.53 (-65%)

Interesting stuff. Raw data - but interesting.

[priestley_saddler]

Money Without An Assistant

P35 w12 d16 l13 Pts47 f37 a39

Pts Per Game: 1.34
Goals for per game: 1.05
Goals against per Game: 1.11

Money With an Assistant

P28 w18 d7 l3 pts61 f45 a15

Pts Per Game: 2.17 (+61%)
Goals for per game: 1.60 (+52%)
Goals against per game: 0.53 (-65%)

If he's won 12, drew 16 and lost 13 games without an assistant then he's clearly played 41 games and not 35 :wink:

Saying that, if you base the points on 41 games it knocks his average down to 1.14 points a game. Meaning for everygame DD has an assistant we're a point better off and this probably adds more weight to your argument (not read the rest of the thread so not sure what you're argument is, but if it's that DD is better with an assistant then I agree).

[philthesaddler]

Money Without An Assistant

P36 w12 d11 l13 Pts47 f37 a39

Pts Per Game: 1.30
Goals for per game: 1.05
Goals against per Game: 1.11

Money With an Assistant

P28 w18 d7 l3 pts61 f45 a15

Pts Per Game: 2.17 (+61%)
Goals for per game: 1.60 (+52%)
Goals against per game: 0.53 (-65%)

Sorry, couple of typos...

[philthesaddler]

Money Without An Assistant

P35 w12 d16 l13 Pts47 f37 a39

Pts Per Game: 1.34
Goals for per game: 1.05
Goals against per Game: 1.11

Money With an Assistant

P28 w18 d7 l3 pts61 f45 a15

Pts Per Game: 2.17 (+61%)
Goals for per game: 1.60 (+52%)
Goals against per game: 0.53 (-65%)

If he's won 12, drew 16 and lost 13 games without an assistant then he's clearly played 41 games and not 35 :wink:

Saying that, if you base the points on 41 games it knocks his average down to 1.14 points a game. Meaning for everygame DD has an assistant we're a point better off and this probably adds more weight to your argument (not read the rest of the thread so not sure what you're argument is, but if it's that DD is better with an assistant then I agree).

It was 36 games and 11 draws, which brings the points per game down by 0.04

[Plastic Hawk]

Money Without An Assistant

P36 w12 d11 l13 Pts47 f37 a39

Pts Per Game: 1.30
Goals for per game: 1.05
Goals against per Game: 1.11

Money With an Assistant

P28 w18 d7 l3 pts61 f45 a15

Pts Per Game: 2.17 (+61%)
Goals for per game: 1.60 (+52%)
Goals against per game: 0.53 (-65%)

Sorry, couple of typos...

As KC says, very interesting. It's been obvious that we've had better results when DD's had extra help (Kinsella last season, now Mullen) and I'm sure every manager benefits from having an assistant, but I'm very surprised by just how much better they've been.

[Neil Ravenscroft]

Money Without An Assistant

P36 w12 d11 l13 Pts47 f37 a39

Pts Per Game: 1.30
Goals for per game: 1.05
Goals against per Game: 1.11

Money With an Assistant

P28 w18 d7 l3 pts61 f45 a15

Pts Per Game: 2.17 (+61%)
Goals for per game: 1.60 (+52%)
Goals against per game: 0.53 (-65%)

Sorry, couple of typos...

As KC says, very interesting. It's been obvious that we've had better results when DD's had extra help (Kinsella last season, now Mullen) and I'm sure every manager benefits from having an assistant, but I'm very surprised by just how much better they've been.

I'm even more surprised in that Kinsella wasn't even his assistant - he was reserve team coach! Pity the facts don't match the stats. However, I did an article on here last season saying that I thought we'd benefit from one, in that he'd be able to bring on the kids in the reserves (as opposed to the youth team) better.

[philthesaddler]

Much as your trying to change history again Neil with facts of nominal nature, Kinsella did act as an assistant manager, and without a doubt had clear tactical and performance -based influence on the team

[Neil Ravenscroft]

Much as your trying to change history again Neil with facts of nominal nature, Kinsella did act as an assistant manager, and without a doubt had clear tactical and performance -based influence on the team

Have it your own way, Phil. After all you are always right, even when you are completely wrong. I'd love to know how you admit something is a fact, then deny its relevance compared to your opinion!

[Plastic Hawk]

Much as your trying to change history again Neil with facts of nominal nature, Kinsella did act as an assistant manager, and without a doubt had clear tactical and performance -based influence on the team

Have it your own way, Phil. After all you are always right, even when you are completely wrong. I'd love to know how you admit something is a fact, then deny its relevance compared to your opinion!

Whatever his actual title was surely the important "fact" in this case is that Kinsella ran the reserve team (as Mullen is now I believe) and (when not playing) sat on the bench for the first team offering advice to DD. People have been saying that DD would benefit from someone to delegate some of his work to - and the stats appear to back that up. Whether that person is called "assistant manager", "reserve team manager" or "DD's dogsbody" isn't really relevant so long as his presence helps the team.

[Salop Saddler]

Much as your trying to change history again Neil with facts of nominal nature, Kinsella did act as an assistant manager, and without a doubt had clear tactical and performance -based influence on the team

Have it your own way, Phil. After all you are always right, even when you are completely wrong. I'd love to know how you admit something is a fact, then deny its relevance compared to your opinion!

:shock: :lol: and Miah's feeling much better now, thanks. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[tinned]

Much as your trying to change history again Neil with facts of nominal nature, Kinsella did act as an assistant manager, and without a doubt had clear tactical and performance -based influence on the team

Have it your own way, Phil. After all you are always right, even when you are completely wrong. I'd love to know how you admit something is a fact, then deny its relevance compared to your opinion!

Whatever his actual title was surely the important "fact" in this case is that Kinsella ran the reserve team (as Mullen is now I believe) and (when not playing) sat on the bench for the first team offering advice to DD. People have been saying that DD would benefit from someone to delegate some of his work to - and the stats appear to back that up. Whether that person is called "assistant manager", "reserve team manager" or "DD's dogsbody" isn't really relevant so long as his presence helps the team.

PH, can you please stand back and let the pack of wolves get to their prey whenever they feel like it :roll: