PINNACLE wrote:Manchester Saddler wrote:swampysaddler wrote:Manchester Saddler wrote:Swampy - calm down!
You are making yourself look like a idiot, mate. I would suggest that you refrain from threatening behaviour and using nasty insults and take a breather before you end up getting yourself banned again?
You've given all you have to give on this subject and have nothing new to add - just the same old disillusioned nonsense about George Osbourne!
Leave the rest of us to chat about this without the shadow of a violent assault or a vitriolic tirade.
I will calm down when YOU FINALLY provide me evidence of the forecasted demise of the UK if we voted Leave.
Manchester I have been asking you know for evidence and hard facts to back up your doom claims for nearly 2 years.
Still I am sat waiting.
Back your gob up. Provide evidence to back your claims up.
Not hard.
Oh and Manchester the only fools are you, Saigon, Exile, El Nombre. I ask for "proof" and you cant provide.
Must we go over this AGAIN, Swampy? Your lack of responses to MY questions? Simply because deep down you know that I am right? I asked my questions even further back in time. You just seem to have adopted a stubborn ignorance that is, quite frankly, making you look really daft. You can repeat the same cack over and over again Swampy but they key to your views on Brexit are totally open in the angry vitriol you have poured forth on this thread.
Why are certain Brexiters so angry I wonder? Mainly because they are openly made to look like fools in the media.
Read through the thread again, Swampy mate. The truth will set you free.
If you want an example of what I am talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXOu3U_CbpU
Anyway - back on point.
The "plan" is non-existent as far as I can tell. We seem to be taking ten steps back for every one step forward.
If anybody can recall the original thread, I predicted then that Brexit would effectively be the Norway/Swiss model and so far that's all I can see happening.
It seems that we will end up with the same deal but absolutely no power to influence the EU.
What did Brexiters win again?
As a staunch remainer would you be happy with that ? Would that really be what you would like for the future ?
I respect your decision to remain but surely not under those terms !
If we have no power to influence then what is the point of remaining ?
3 questions there............take your time !
It's a shame you refuse to answer MY simple questions, Pinnacle - but there you go!
But I will answer you - as I usually do!
First - the ONLY way to have ANY influence over the EU is to REMAIN in the EU. This is obvious even to the most stubborn Brexiter. The deal I am talking about in the above post is the one that I predicted should we leave - i.e. we remain in the Customs Union like Norway, BUT are not IN the EU therefore we cannot take part in the EU Parliament and vote - LIKE OUR MEP'S can.
What I want for the future is to REMAIN.
Absolutely NO Brexit deal will benefit us as a nation. None whatsoever.
You can see from all of our time in the EU that we are THRIVING as a nation. THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE EU.
Even the best Brexit deal is a bad one, i.e. Brexit In Name Only (BRINO as it is being called).
Under THAT scenario we will be subject to all of the weird and wonderful EU regulations WITHOUT INFLUENCE.
The other extreme, the HARD Brexit, will be a total disaster. We will return to the bad old days in Ireland - Gibraltar will be isolated, we will pay a fortune for European goods, we will have to rely on deals with other nations - which will not be as easy to negotiate as most Brexiters think - and we will be desperate because we will need it more than they do.
Add to this the fact that other nations will demand something in return - like MORE freedom of movement between the two nations (India and China have already stated this as a proviso of a special trade deal with the UK) it is hardly going to please the xenophobic element of the Brexiter camp.
REMAIN IS THE ONLY WAY!
Does that answer you questions?
And now - will you reciprocate? What exactly did the Brexiters win, Pinnacle? Why is Brexit a good thing, Pinnacle? Why did you vote Leave (be honest)?
Three for three, Pinnacle.
:D
