Brexit Breakfast

[scott_powell]

Beat me to it Tinned.
Here we have the scenario that has happened hundreds of time since the vote.
Evidence is provided by a Brexit voter with a plus, Manchester mocks it but provides NO evidence to back his claim up

Oh by the way Manchester I had no problems whatsoever at Heathrow or Gibraltar airport in the past week !
What were your "predictions" again earlier in this thread (can't be arsed to trawl back) ? Something along the the lines of "hope I enjoy the delays off the Spanish and at Customs".

The only minor problem I encountered in Gibraltar was I nearly went down the "Non EU" aisle.
This time next year I will go down that aisle.

Not true, and if you could be minded to read back you'd see that it would be mostly comprised of the dismantling of Brexit pre-vote promises, none of which seem to have survived, very real and evidenced negative economic impacts, and predictions made by respected financial and business communities about the impacts of Brexit.

So far, this has been countered by an individual repeatedly referring to 'June', when the entire planet was allegedly about to slide into a black hole, pretending that we haven't left yet and 'it's not so bad as they said' and looking for relatively minor investments - literally scraps off bigger economies - and asserting that these show that the correct decision has been made.

The Brexit brigade have offered precisely naff all, and can only pretend that the remain argument is as appalling as their own because they have nothing else to go on.

:idea:

Oh have upset the resident deviant ?
I have more pressing things to do, like picking scabs, but I do remember your resident Northern lover wishing me luck with the delays.
Or can't you remember with all the bile you preach about Brexit, WITHOUT EVIDENCE, ?

I am still waiting, nearly 2 years on, of evidence of the "GREAT FINANCIAL ARAMGEDDON OF JUNE 2016".
Come on Matt provide it !

Ignoring the usual personal stuff and my alleged 'upset' :lol: , the pound has fallen as a direct result of Brexit and we've slid from leading EU growth to lagging behind. No, this didn't occur the day after Brexit, but further along the line. Perhaps eventually you will comprehend this, until then it's 'June Armageddon' on repeat - although you'd think you'd be able to spell it by now. :oops:

Further evidence ...

Another dark day for the retail industry with Shop Direct making nearly 2,000 members of staff redundant, proving even online retailers aren’t immune to current economic pressures.
The pattern of well loved stores filing for administration or cutting jobs over the last few weeks is terrible news for the UK’s retail industry. The location of Shop Direct’s warehouses appears to be the cause of these redundancies being made and with a new site not expected until 2021 there is little hope for staff to be transferred.

The National Institute of Economic and Social Research has put out its monthly estimate of GDP growth. It reckons that growth slowed to 0.2% in the first quarter of this year, from 0.4% in the fourth quarter.

I predict another vile and defensive tirade from Miss Hissy knickers before she goes back to picking her scabs and polishing her medals for filling a few fuel trucks.

Always a pleasure. :D

[SaigonSaddler]

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[Further evidence ...

Another dark day for the retail industry with Shop Direct making nearly 2,000 members of staff redundant, proving even online retailers aren’t immune to current economic pressures.
The pattern of well loved stores filing for administration or cutting jobs over the last few weeks is terrible news for the UK’s retail industry. The location of Shop Direct’s warehouses appears to be the cause of these redundancies being made and with a new site not expected until 2021 there is little hope for staff to be transferred.

How the hell is that further evidence????

The article itself alludes to the location of their warehouses being the reason for their closure.

You can't claim every piece of bad news as irrefutable evidence of Brexit bad news, and to constantly do only weakens your argument.

[Morty]

True - but similarly Brexiteers cant quote any piece of "new jobs created in Bridlington" news as being the result of us planning to leave the EU.

So how about this article entitled "Carmakers fear rising trade barriers after Brexit"??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43627343

"....Industry executives' main fear is that Brexit will result in heightened barriers to trade, not only with the European Union, but with the rest of the world too, once the transition period ends on 31 December 2020......"

and in reference to us seeking better deals with China (that bastion of human rights!)

".....Part of the issue, it says, is that the UK would like to land better trade deals with China when it leaves the bloc than the ones the EU already has in place. But being smaller, the UK will be in a weaker position during trade talks, so there are no guarantees China will be prepared to offer better terms...."

EDIT: oh and I also noted this line:-

"....But Parliament's cross-party Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Committee is pessimistic, recently warning that "there are no advantages to be gained from Brexit for the automotive industry for the foreseeable future"....."

[shrewsbury saddler]

"I am still waiting, nearly 2 years on, of evidence of the "GREAT FINANCIAL ARAMGEDDON OF JUNE 2016".
Come on Matt provide it !"

And I'm still waiting for a reference from Swampy for where this phrase comes from . Not the first time of asking.

[scott_powell]

I'm still waiting for us to leave so I can judge whether it's a disaster/success based on solid facts, not opinions or speculation :mrgreen:

[derbysaddler]

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And I'm still waiting for a reference from Swampy for where this phrase comes from . Not the first time of asking.

Was it scribbled on the side of a bus Tone?

[derbysaddler]

How the hell is that further evidence????

The article itself alludes to the location of their warehouses being the reason for their closure.

You can't claim every piece of bad news as irrefutable evidence of Brexit bad news, and to constantly do only weakens your argument.

Its neither evidence for or against. They are moving to a new facility by Castle Donnington which needs less staff to operate it as the site uses a lot of stream lined logistic systems. That whole area is becoming a bit of a distribution hub for various companies plus there are plans for a large new rail fright terminal plus the existing capacity at East Midlands air freight centre.

[SaigonSaddler]

[Further evidence ...

Another dark day for the retail industry with Shop Direct making nearly 2,000 members of staff redundant, proving even online retailers aren’t immune to current economic pressures.
The pattern of well loved stores filing for administration or cutting jobs over the last few weeks is terrible news for the UK’s retail industry. The location of Shop Direct’s warehouses appears to be the cause of these redundancies being made and with a new site not expected until 2021 there is little hope for staff to be transferred.

How the hell is that further evidence????

The article itself alludes to the location of their warehouses being the reason for their closure.

You can't claim every piece of bad news as irrefutable evidence of Brexit bad news, and to constantly do only weakens your argument.

Wow, pot meet kettle.

:lol:

[tinned]

[Further evidence ...

Another dark day for the retail industry with Shop Direct making nearly 2,000 members of staff redundant, proving even online retailers aren’t immune to current economic pressures.
The pattern of well loved stores filing for administration or cutting jobs over the last few weeks is terrible news for the UK’s retail industry. The location of Shop Direct’s warehouses appears to be the cause of these redundancies being made and with a new site not expected until 2021 there is little hope for staff to be transferred.

How the hell is that further evidence????

The article itself alludes to the location of their warehouses being the reason for their closure.

You can't claim every piece of bad news as irrefutable evidence of Brexit bad news, and to constantly do only weakens your argument.

Wow, pot meet kettle.

:lol:

Ermmmm :?

I have highlighted where bad news stories (yours above) are not at all related to Brexit.

I have also linked good news stories that are happening despite Brexit (international car manufacturers investing in new /upgraded plants).

All I can see is a mixture of positive and negative decisions that are being made for the individual benefit of the companies involved, which has always been the case. I just don't see the meltdown that some of you predict.

[SaigonSaddler]

[Further evidence ...

Another dark day for the retail industry with Shop Direct making nearly 2,000 members of staff redundant, proving even online retailers aren’t immune to current economic pressures.
The pattern of well loved stores filing for administration or cutting jobs over the last few weeks is terrible news for the UK’s retail industry. The location of Shop Direct’s warehouses appears to be the cause of these redundancies being made and with a new site not expected until 2021 there is little hope for staff to be transferred.

How the hell is that further evidence????

The article itself alludes to the location of their warehouses being the reason for their closure.

You can't claim every piece of bad news as irrefutable evidence of Brexit bad news, and to constantly do only weakens your argument.

Wow, pot meet kettle.

:lol:

Ermmmm :?

I have highlighted where bad news stories (yours above) are not at all related to Brexit.

I have also linked good news stories that are happening despite Brexit (international car manufacturers investing in new /upgraded plants).

All I can see is a mixture of positive and negative decisions that are being made for the individual benefit of the companies involved, which has always been the case. I just don't see the meltdown that some of you predict.

Lol ok Dave.

Quick question though, the British economy dropping from having one of the strongest growth rates to one of the weakest after the Brexit vote is evidence for its success, or a significant challenge and evidence of the problems it's just beginning to manifest?

:wink:

[tinned]

[Further evidence ...

Another dark day for the retail industry with Shop Direct making nearly 2,000 members of staff redundant, proving even online retailers aren’t immune to current economic pressures.
The pattern of well loved stores filing for administration or cutting jobs over the last few weeks is terrible news for the UK’s retail industry. The location of Shop Direct’s warehouses appears to be the cause of these redundancies being made and with a new site not expected until 2021 there is little hope for staff to be transferred.

How the hell is that further evidence????

The article itself alludes to the location of their warehouses being the reason for their closure.

You can't claim every piece of bad news as irrefutable evidence of Brexit bad news, and to constantly do only weakens your argument.

Wow, pot meet kettle.

:lol:

Ermmmm :?

I have highlighted where bad news stories (yours above) are not at all related to Brexit.

I have also linked good news stories that are happening despite Brexit (international car manufacturers investing in new /upgraded plants).

All I can see is a mixture of positive and negative decisions that are being made for the individual benefit of the companies involved, which has always been the case. I just don't see the meltdown that some of you predict.

Lol ok Dave.

Quick question though, the British economy dropping from having one of the strongest growth rates to one of the weakest after the Brexit vote is evidence for its success, or a significant challenge and evidence of the problems it's just beginning to manifest?

:wink:

It's evidence of uncertainty. Companies hate uncertainty more than anything else. Once they can see and understand the landscape they will be able to plan and invest with more confidence.

The slowdown of the economy during the Brexit negotiations is not really a surprise. It's unfortunate but, in my opinion, is a short-term price worth paying until the new landscape becomes clear.

[Manchester Saddler]

Apparently now more than 50% of the population want a People's Vote on Brexit.

Read about it here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43774200

It is DEFINITELY NOT TOO LATE to stop this insanity.

COME ON!!!

:D

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

There has already been a peoples vote remember?

[Manchester Saddler]

Well let's have another one.

Why not???

:D

[reedswood sadler]

Apparently now more than 50% of the population want a People's Vote on Brexit.

Read about it here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43774200

It is DEFINITELY NOT TOO LATE to stop this insanity.

COME ON!!!

:D

If we did have another vote what happens then,
If the remain side win is that it the vote stands and the previous vote is not as valid because we all know the remainers are much the cleverer people or do we go to a 3rd deciding vote.
If the leave side win again do we then go to best out of 5.

[Manchester Saddler]

This would be a vote where we now know the FACTS as opposed to speculation and pure lies. The British public were conned. We DESERVE to vote again.

[reedswood sadler]

This would be a vote where we now know the FACTS as opposed to speculation and pure lies. The British public were conned. We DESERVE to vote again.

Even as a leave voter manchester I am not disputing this I would just like to know when a vote result is binding and who decides

This opposition reminds me of the good old days when we had strong unions and I was a shop steward, if the vote went against you to strike or take action you just kept having votes until the members got it right and that was it no more votes.

I think that parliment should have decided and not the people and would not be opposed to that after all that is one of the reasons to leave the UK to makeits own mind up without EU interference .

[Manchester Saddler]

This would be a vote where we now know the FACTS as opposed to speculation and pure lies. The British public were conned. We DESERVE to vote again.

Even as a leave voter manchester I am not disputing this I would just like to know when a vote result is binding and who decides

This opposition reminds me of the good old days when we had strong unions and I was a shop steward, if the vote went against you to strike or take action you just kept having votes until the members got it right and that was it no more votes.

I think that parliment should have decided and not the people and would not be opposed to that after all that is one of the reasons to leave the UK to makeits own mind up without EU interference .

I do too, Reedswood, because had the MPs decided, we would not be leaving!

The problem I had and still have with the referendum was that a lot of MPs used it to further their careers or it was simply born out the need for David Cameron to sort out his own party. He totally failed to do this and then walked away - something that has lead many people to consider him the worst Prime Minister they have had in their lifetime!

Ultimately history will decide upon how Cameron is viewed and I would love to carry on ranting about the perverted pig porker but I digress.

The truth is that most MPs are Remainers and now they are terrified of reversing the outcome of the vote - even though it was based on a tissue of lies and utter garbage!

Once again it is about politicians thinking of themselves rather than the good of the country.

And this is the current state of politics at the moment.

Let's go ahead with the worst decision in British voting history just so that we can save our political careers - to hell with the fact that we will be up cack creek without a paddle.

This is why we NEED a new vote - having seen the truth of the matter and the consequences of leaving.

After all, we did not vote for the style of Brexit yet uber-Brexiters, those beligerent bastards who call Remainers TRAITORS and the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg, think that they now have the ammunition to throw us off a cliff edge.

Rees-Mogg in particular is thinking of nobody but himself as he stands to make a forking FORTUNE out of Brexit.

WE NEED A VOTE!!!

[reedswood sadler]

This would be a vote where we now know the FACTS as opposed to speculation and pure lies. The British public were conned. We DESERVE to vote again.

Even as a leave voter manchester I am not disputing this I would just like to know when a vote result is binding and who decides

This opposition reminds me of the good old days when we had strong unions and I was a shop steward, if the vote went against you to strike or take action you just kept having votes until the members got it right and that was it no more votes.

I think that parliment should have decided and not the people and would not be opposed to that after all that is one of the reasons to leave the UK to makeits own mind up without EU interference .

I do too, Reedswood, because had the MPs decided, we would not be leaving!

The problem I had and still have with the referendum was that a lot of MPs used it to further their careers or it was simply born out the need for David Cameron to sort out his own party. He totally failed to do this and then walked away - something that has lead many people to consider him the worst Prime Minister they have had in their lifetime!

Ultimately history will decide upon how Cameron is viewed and I would love to carry on ranting about the perverted pig porker but I digress.

The truth is that most MPs are Remainers and now they are terrified of reversing the outcome of the vote - even though it was based on a tissue of lies and utter garbage!

Once again it is about politicians thinking of themselves rather than the good of the country.

And this is the current state of politics at the moment.

Let's go ahead with the worst decision in British voting history just so that we can save our political careers - to hell with the fact that we will be up cack creek without a paddle.

This is why we NEED a new vote - having seen the truth of the matter and the consequences of leaving.

After all, we did not vote for the style of Brexit yet uber-Brexiters, those beligerent bastards who call Remainers TRAITORS and the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg, think that they now have the ammunition to throw us off a cliff edge.

Rees-Mogg in particular is thinking of nobody but himself as he stands to make a forking FORTUNE out of Brexit.

WE NEED A VOTE!!!

We are on opposite sides manchester but I cannot disagree the Brexit being negotiated is nothing like most people voted for and your summary of MPS and Cameron is spot on.

[chestersaddler]

More good news from them pesky experts

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/busi ... -xmfflkvcq

Altogether now "Land of hope and Gloooreeeeee" :wink:

[Manchester Saddler]

More good news from them pesky experts

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/busi ... -xmfflkvcq

Altogether now "Land of hope and Gloooreeeeee" :wink:

So what do you think of THAT, Brexiters?

Come on - out of your cave, Swampy!

[Guest]

The Brexiters seem to be upset about something...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... may-remain

[Manchester Saddler]

The Brexiters seem to be upset about something...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... may-remain

I don't know why. Apparently it was only a yes no referendum vote.

It seems that people are realising finally what Brexit really means.

[SaigonSaddler]

The Brexiters seem to be upset about something...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... may-remain

I don't know why. Apparently it was only a yes no referendum vote.

It seems that people are realising finally what Brexit really means.

LOL.

I mean, it's not as if they weren't warned.

One day of flag waving and flicking the Vs to an imagined enemy. Massive o.g.

[chestersaddler]

Compare and contrast the two reports above. One is a report with context, facts and figures (which of course are there to be challenged). The other is a propaganda rant.
Reading the comments, there are some really angry people out there :lol:

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

There is a thread on "all about Walsall" named "Ray of hope/clutching at straws" I would respectfullly suggest that you 4 + exile when he wakes up post your Brexit comments on there.

[chestersaddler]

There is a thread on "all about Walsall" named "Ray of hope/clutching at straws" I would respectfullly suggest that you 4 + exile when he wakes up post your Brexit comments on there.

I'm sure that you know deep down that the argument is falling apart and we will end up with the Brexit the remainer politicians want :wink:

[Manchester Saddler]

There is a thread on "all about Walsall" named "Ray of hope/clutching at straws" I would respectfullly suggest that you 4 + exile when he wakes up post your Brexit comments on there.

Laugh? I almost did!

:wink:

[tinned]

The Brexiters seem to be upset about something...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... may-remain

I don't know why. Apparently it was only a yes no referendum vote.

It seems that people are realising finally what Brexit really means.

Strange!

On ANY other subject other than Brexit the Socialists tendencies of you and Saigon would lead to utter contempt that "unelected toffs in the House of Lords" were attempting to overrule the will of the ordinary man.