Brexit Breakfast

[SaigonSaddler]

The problem with remainers is that they look for and thrive on what could be bad news for their own country.

Wrong again. We're the ones trying to prevent an entirely unnecessary damaging economic experiment.

Are you really trying to claim superior patriotism because I find that offensive and utterly wrong.

Perhaps a reflection of how much you've lost the plot.

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

Here we go again,lost the plot,yesterday it was pig ignorant.

[SaigonSaddler]

Here we go again,lost the plot,yesterday it was pig ignorant.

There's a reason.

Can you clarify your position on your statement regarding the patriotism of remainers?

Just wondering if I have to justify my existence and political views to your Britannic excellence.

[Manchester Saddler]

The problem with remainers is that they look for and thrive on what could be bad news for their own country.

Absolutely not!

We want to REPAIR the damage that Brexit would do.

Every single Brexit scenario will see us worse offf.

How can it not be?

Assuming this disaster goes ahead, I will take no pleasure in saying "I told you so!"

[WillenhallManiac]

I can exclusively reveal that May's plans for avoiding a hard border between Northern Ireland and the republic involve building a wall and getting the mexicans to pay for it.

[swampysaddler]

The problem with remainers is that they look for and thrive on what could be bad news for their own country.

Absolutely not!

We want to REPAIR the damage that Brexit would do.

Every single Brexit scenario will see us worse offf.

How can it not be?

Assuming this disaster goes ahead, I will take no pleasure in saying "I told you so!"

I will say it again and again till I am blue in the face but where is the evidence ? Not assumptions or predictions let's deal in hard evidence for once.
So I wait with baited breath for you to supply it Manchester

[Manchester Saddler]

The problem with remainers is that they look for and thrive on what could be bad news for their own country.

Absolutely not!

We want to REPAIR the damage that Brexit would do.

Every single Brexit scenario will see us worse offf.

How can it not be?

Assuming this disaster goes ahead, I will take no pleasure in saying "I told you so!"

I will say it again and again till I am blue in the face but where is the evidence ? Not assumptions or predictions let's deal in hard evidence for once.
So I wait with baited breath for you to supply it Manchester

Unlike you, I actually answer your questions. I asked you ages ago why Brexit is a good thing and this is long before you asked for evidence (about a week or two ago).

I could be stubborn and say "answer my question first" but unlike you I actually read opposing viewpoints.

You do not.

Do you have a problem?

Anyway, here is my answer and I expect an answer in return.

The evidence is in a government report commissioned to look at the effects of Brexit. This is a report commissioned by the Conservative Party who are totally divided on Brexit from the uber-Brexiters on the right to the Remainers.

Such reports are frequently commissioned to help with government's policy. Such reports have led to policy in the past. Such reports guide government thinking.

Some uber-Brexiters dismiss reports that they don't agree with with such horseshit statements as "Everybody ignores reports anyway!" Usually these are back-benchers who simply disagree with the contents. If they are ignored then why bother commissioning them in the first place? Simply, they are NOT ignored and usually lead to new laws, budget decisions, policy decisions etc. etc.

The government are not sure what to do about Brexit so they have commissioned a report. Some uber-Brexiters don't like what they see and, just like you Swampy, dismiss it. You can bet your bottom dollar that the cabinet will not ignore it.

If that isn't evidence enough, you have the Japanese Ambassador issuing a warning about their position on Brexit.

Now then, Swampy - quid pro quo. Cowshed cannot answer my question, Cully cannot answer my question.

I will give you a chance.

Why is Brexit so good? Why am I wrong?

If you are blue in the face then I must be the deepest shade of blue that has ever existed.

Put simply, I believe that you cannot answer these simple questions. You are too ashamed to answer these questions.

Prove me wrong, Swampy lad - PROVE ME WRONG!!

[swampysaddler]

The problem with remainers is that they look for and thrive on what could be bad news for their own country.

Absolutely not!

We want to REPAIR the damage that Brexit would do.

Every single Brexit scenario will see us worse offf.

How can it not be?

Assuming this disaster goes ahead, I will take no pleasure in saying "I told you so!"

I will say it again and again till I am blue in the face but where is the evidence ? Not assumptions or predictions let's deal in hard evidence for once.
So I wait with baited breath for you to supply it Manchester

Unlike you, I actually answer your questions. I asked you ages ago why Brexit is a good thing and this is long before you asked for evidence (about a week or two ago).

I could be stubborn and say "answer my question first" but unlike you I actually read opposing viewpoints.

You do not.

Do you have a problem?

Anyway, here is my answer and I expect an answer in return.

The evidence is in a government report commissioned to look at the effects of Brexit. This is a report commissioned by the Conservative Party who are totally divided on Brexit from the uber-Brexiters on the right to the Remainers.

Such reports are frequently commissioned to help with government's policy. Such reports have led to policy in the past. Such reports guide government thinking.

Some uber-Brexiters dismiss reports that they don't agree with with such horseshit statements as "Everybody ignores reports anyway!" Usually these are back-benchers who simply disagree with the contents. If they are ignored then why bother commissioning them in the first place? Simply, they are NOT ignored and usually lead to new laws, budget decisions, policy decisions etc. etc.

The government are not sure what to do about Brexit so they have commissioned a report. Some uber-Brexiters don't like what they see and, just like you Swampy, dismiss it. You can bet your bottom dollar that the cabinet will not ignore it.

If that isn't evidence enough, you have the Japanese Ambassador issuing a warning about their position on Brexit.

Now then, Swampy - quid pro quo. Cowshed cannot answer my question, Cully cannot answer my question.

I will give you a chance.

Why is Brexit so good? Why am I wrong?

If you are blue in the face then I must be the deepest shade of blue that has ever existed.

Put simply, I believe that you cannot answer these simple questions. You are too ashamed to answer these questions.

Prove me wrong, Swampy lad - PROVE ME WRONG!!

Evidence of your claims please.

Show this evidence then please

Prove to me, with evidence not assumptions and predictions, that Brexit is SOOOOOOOOOO wrong.
Not hard really is it. All I am asking for is hard evidence off you to back your claims up.
Whenever I have posted advantages of Brexit I have at least backed it up with links to EVIDENCE to prove my claim, can't see you doing the same.
Bit like this. Another company investing in the UK, German this time, backed up with evidence and a link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-43245227

You claim you have spoken to many people whose views have changed.
I spoke to Elvis Presley last night and he say's Brexit is the way forward.
See where I am going with that, I can make claims and not back them up.

Simple task for you Manchester provide just a smideging of evidence to back yourself up.
If you are that confident you will provide.
Waiting with baited breath again.

[Manchester Saddler]

You haven't got a clue have you Swampy?

Your stalling tactics speak volumes.

Tons of positive evidence against Brexit and you simply ignore it because your blinkered view stops you.

Blind to the world.

How do you cope?

Lots of links and you don't read them at all!

Ironic that the latest "evidence" seems to be German! :lol:

I'm tempted to start calling you Mr Magoo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8GTHXTEvIc

Must do better!

Also you don't understand quid pro quo either.

:lol:

[SaigonSaddler]

:?: :?: :?:

He has.
I have.
Other have.

You just choose not to accept it. You've linked to the BBC (guess they're in favour for the short time that they suit your purposes) which appears to be acceptable as 'evidence'. You appear to want to have an evidence cake and eat it.
The conclusions of the CBI are evidence, the government report into the damage of Brexit is evidence, the comments made by the Japanese ambassador is evidence. They happened and are real.

Either set your personal bar at resultant economic impacts of Brexit that have occurred thus far (all negative eg fall in the pound, rise of inflation, uncertainty in business and investment, companies gearing up to leave, or leaving, imports becoming more expensive), OR you go with media interviews, comments, editorials and accept all of these as evidence (mostly negative, but with some wishful thinking / optimistic theorising / hopeful daydreaming)

But you CAN'T HAVE BOTH. Select your parameters with care.

[Manchester Saddler]

:?: :?: :?:

He has.
I have.
Other have.

You just choose not to accept it. You've linked to the BBC (guess they're in favour for the short time that they suit your purposes) which appears to be acceptable as 'evidence'. You appear to want to have an evidence cake and eat it.
The conclusions of the CBI are evidence, the government report into the damage of Brexit is evidence, the comments made by the Japanese ambassador is evidence. They happened and are real.

Either set your personal bar at resultant economic impacts of Brexit that have occurred thus far (all negative eg fall in the pound, rise of inflation, uncertainty in business and investment, companies gearing up to leave, or leaving, imports becoming more expensive), OR you go with media interviews, comments, editorials and accept all of these as evidence (mostly negative, but with some wishful thinking / optimistic theorising / hopeful daydreaming)

But you CAN'T HAVE BOTH. Select your parameters with care.

He's too embarrassed to state his reasons for voting Brexit.

So are they all, it seems.

:lol:

[SaigonSaddler]

So your link to the Siemens 'plan' to create 700 jobs in Goole. Hang on, it's dependent on 'major future orders', so not guaranteed. But let's fly with this despite the irritating details.

But this isn't evidence of Brexit success. It hasn't happened BECAUSE of Brexit, simply as part of the investment that every country secures every year. There's literally nothing to link it to Brexit in any way, so unfortunately, it's not the kind of evidence you imagined it was.

In contrast, here is evidence linked explicitly to Brexit, because the IMF has stated that Britain is lagging behind the general global growth that is being enjoyed elsewhere, referring to Brexit as the primary cause.

In November, the Autumn Budget saw Chancellor Philip Hammond announce £25bn in extra spending to prop up the economy. Data in the Budget showed families are suffering the biggest financial squeeze since the 1950s. The Office for Budget Responsibility said that it now sees the economy growing by just 1.5 per cent this year and 1.4 per cent next, down from previous estimates of 2 per cent and 1.6 per cent.

But you know this, presumably why you're insistent on chasing your own tail, cherry picking oddments in the news.
You're not alone in this, no-one else in the Brexit camp can find anything either, so they don't bother.
They just proffer wildly optimist fantasies instead.

[PINNACLE]

Looks like Batman and Robin, our resident snowflakes have gone into meltdown mode :lol:

[SaigonSaddler]

Looks like Batman and Robin, our resident snowflakes have gone into meltdown mode :lol:

Says the self-proclaimed 'expert'.

I did larf. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

[Manchester Saddler]

Looks like Batman and Robin, our resident snowflakes have gone into meltdown mode :lol:

You can't actually join in the debate and have to resort to insults too Pinnacle.

What is it with you Brexiters?

I've been civil to you in particular but you choose to pop up with puerile insults to prolong your embarrassment.

Same questions to you.

No doubt you won't answer (like Cully, Cowshed, Swampy et al).

Or are you too embarrassed too?

This is not a playground by the way - this is the future of our country.

[chestersaddler]

According to a leave voter (who sounded quite angry) on Radio 2 today, the problem is that we do not have a leader that the whole country can unite behind. Someone like Churchill who would fight for Britain and give us back our country.

I wasn't aware there was the need for a fight with our friends.

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

I have been called pig ignorant and been accused of losing the plot by your number 2. As leader you should keep your remainers in line. :)

[SaigonSaddler]

I have been called pig ignorant and been accused of losing the plot by your number 2. As leader you should keep your remainers in line. :)

Just losing the plot actually. Pig-ignorant was a more general term, but QED I suppose.

In the grand pantheon of lambastations on this thread, it's bog all.

[PINNACLE]

Looks like Batman and Robin, our resident snowflakes have gone into meltdown mode :lol:

You can't actually join in the debate and have to resort to insults too Pinnacle.

What is it with you Brexiters?

I've been civil to you in particular but you choose to pop up with puerile insults to prolong your embarrassment.

Same questions to you.

No doubt you won't answer (like Cully, Cowshed, Swampy et al).

Or are you too embarrassed too?

This is not a playground by the way - this is the future of our country.

I voted for the future of our country and was very pleased with the outcome of the referendum.
I don't have to explain the reasons for my vote to anyone, especially you two !

[Manchester Saddler]

Looks like Batman and Robin, our resident snowflakes have gone into meltdown mode :lol:

You can't actually join in the debate and have to resort to insults too Pinnacle.

What is it with you Brexiters?

I've been civil to you in particular but you choose to pop up with puerile insults to prolong your embarrassment.

Same questions to you.

No doubt you won't answer (like Cully, Cowshed, Swampy et al).

Or are you too embarrassed too?

This is not a playground by the way - this is the future of our country.

I voted for the future of our country and was very pleased with the outcome of the referendum.
I don't have to explain the reasons for my vote to anyone, especially you two !

You can't that's why.

Sorry but your whole attitude to this tells me all I need to know.

Add to that your keeness to insult too in an attempt to belittle us , it just confirms to everyone else.

Simple.

And a shame.

[PINNACLE]

Looks like Batman and Robin, our resident snowflakes have gone into meltdown mode :lol:

You can't actually join in the debate and have to resort to insults too Pinnacle.

What is it with you Brexiters?

I've been civil to you in particular but you choose to pop up with puerile insults to prolong your embarrassment.

Same questions to you.

No doubt you won't answer (like Cully, Cowshed, Swampy et al).

Or are you too embarrassed too?

This is not a playground by the way - this is the future of our country.

I voted for the future of our country and was very pleased with the outcome of the referendum.
I don't have to explain the reasons for my vote to anyone, especially you two !

You can't that's why.

Sorry but your whole attitude to this tells me all I need to know.

Add to that your keeness to insult too in an attempt to belittle us , it just confirms to everyone else.

Simple.

And a shame.

If you feel insulted by my calling you Batman :lol: :lol: then you are more precious than i thought.
Nite Nite !

[SaigonSaddler]

Oh look, it's Friday night and always easy to tell when Pineapple's had a drink.

He'll be back later with some grotesque bumbling incoherence, just before disappearing up his own backside for a few days.

See you Thursday ya Weirdo! :D :wink:

[Exile]

I can't believe the amount of obfuscation from those who were so happy to win a non-binding vote, just because they can't actually describe what it is they've won.

Risible.

[Cowshed]

Thought so

No remainder can ever give a number they bury their heads or default to the prejudice card

It’s not about prejudice

The car park sign is not prejudiced when it says full

When we get to a point that we have spaces then the green light must go on again of course

But there is a finite resource and space and at some point we have to put a tap in there

pure geography will take priority over economic benefits literally a new city every 2 years and the next generations will have to deal with this

So when people say we are messing things up for the younger generations it is in fact the opposite

I just did give you some numbers (read the post above).

And I think prejudice and xenophobia have played a chunky part in the leave vote - that is one reason I suspect that Brexiters are unwilling to give me their reasons for leaving.

Prove me wrong Cowshed! I dare you!

I might be travelling this weekend - can you recommend any of the 7 sparkling new Birmingham-sized cities that have shot up in the past 10 to 15 years? Or perhaps not because they are full of foreigners ? Do they have any good football teams to watch? 21 new clubs the size of Villa, West Brom and Birmingham City?

:mrgreen: :D :wink:

There you go as I said no remainder will give you the number just allow the number of people living on the island to grow indefinitely


They would rather not commit to any limits and let the problem build up to be sorted out by the next generations they don’t care but then claim that it is brexiters who will ruin the country.


Brexiters don’t care who makes the numbers up, Steering the issue towards racism is a red herring and another ploy to avoid the difficult question that needs to be answered.When we are at capacity sensible decisions about demand on resources are needed. Because demand is such that those cities are required now let alone the future. If we get to a position where there is no longer a capacity problem then the limits can be removed. No problem with that

Except we can’t make such decisions in the eu, we have no control over numbers

So brexit gives us choice and the ability to make our own decisions

I’m not sure what you are trying to say with the random numbers you provided Manchester you surely are not trying to make the point that resources are not stretched or that the population is not growing .

[Cowshed]

I can't believe the amount of obfuscation from those who were so happy to win a non-binding vote, just because they can't actually describe what it is they've won.

Risible.

We will keep having referendums until we get the right decision

This process is now known as the ‘Non-binding’ Vote

Have to say I’ve heard it all now :lol:

Non binding vote :lol: :lol:

[SaigonSaddler]

But the biggest deception is this: we could easily have taken back control of our borders already under European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC, which allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves.

I'm still pondering over your dubious car park analogy. But getting your facts straight before posting seems to be more pertinent. We had the choice all along, Brexit is irrelevant.

[Cowshed]

But the biggest deception is this: we could easily have taken back control of our borders already under European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC, which allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves.

I'm still pondering over your dubious car park analogy. But getting your facts straight before posting seems to be more pertinent. We had the choice all along, Brexit is irrelevant.

How do we get a message to Theresa May quickly?

No need to negotiate this matter of border control any more

Saigon’s spotted something

[Cowshed]

I can't believe the amount of obfuscation from those who were so happy to win a non-binding vote, just because they can't actually describe what it is they've won.

Risible.

There’s definitely no reason for another referendum then if it’s a non-binding vote as it would be waste of time

[SaigonSaddler]

But the biggest deception is this: we could easily have taken back control of our borders already under European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC, which allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves.

I'm still pondering over your dubious car park analogy. But getting your facts straight before posting seems to be more pertinent. We had the choice all along, Brexit is irrelevant.

Errrr ... oh, I .... erm. I'll try deflecting ... erm. Oh.

It's another fact that you didn't know / couldn't be bothered to find out. We always had the power.

And 'Whoomph' another Brexit misconception disintegrates into ash.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Next! :arrow:

[swampysaddler]

You haven't got a clue have you Swampy?

Your stalling tactics speak volumes.

Tons of positive evidence against Brexit and you simply ignore it because your blinkered view stops you.

Blind to the world.

How do you cope?

Lots of links and you don't read them at all!
Ironic that the latest "evidence" seems to be German! :lol:

I'm tempted to start calling you Mr Magoo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8GTHXTEvIc

Must do better!

Also you don't understand quid pro quo either.

:lol:

One word EVIDENCE.
Don't see it being provided. Still waiting and you claim I am stalling. Just provide it and back up your claims !
Oh that's right you can't because you rely on your mates down the pub changing their minds and assumptions and predictions.

Provide please.

Quite easily thank you. How do you cope knowing you flogged a dead horse in remain and no matter how many dummies you spit we are leaving ?
And it is me that is blind.

Lot's of links also provided, by myself of investment in the country despite your doom and gloom predictions and info off your mates down the boozer

What's wrong ? Doesn't investment by a European company bode well with all the doom predicted by yourself ? Suck it up buttercup. Just another plus that I have PROVEN to you.

And there is the difference between me and you Manchester.
If I claim something I prove it, with that word that must sin in your house, EVIDENCE(I have made it that big so you can definately see it).

Call me what you what, I have been called a lot worse than Mr Magoo, water off a ducks back.
You can end all this with one simple post providing evidence to back up your claims Brexit is evil and the worse mistake ever made, but you won't.
For the simple reason you CAN'T back up your claims.
Just mouth, assumptions and predictions that so far have all been proven wrong.