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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:40 pm

tinned wrote:
SaigonSaddler wrote:You're going to get nothing you voted for and were sold a flimsy tissue of lies.


We'll be able to negotiate our own trade deals.
We'll be able to set our own laws.
We won't have to fight against the tide of ever closer union .

I got exactly what I voted for thanks


Really, and when's that going to happen? Can you give some kind of meaningful timeframe, cos no-one else can. And who with? Who are these as yet unfound nations that no-one else trades with? And what are we going to trade?

Seriously? So we won't be in thrall to the EU then? No customs union? You can guarantee that?

Which was always in your own imagination, barring the selected quotes of a few choice individuals.

Well done though. You voted for a massive win. No sign of 350 million for the NHS or any of the other promises yet. Any answers?

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:29 pm

SaigonSaddler wrote:
tinned wrote:
SaigonSaddler wrote:You're going to get nothing you voted for and were sold a flimsy tissue of lies.


We'll be able to negotiate our own trade deals.
We'll be able to set our own laws.
We won't have to fight against the tide of ever closer union .

I got exactly what I voted for thanks


Really, and when's that going to happen? Can you give some kind of meaningful timeframe, cos no-one else can. And who with? Who are these as yet unfound nations that no-one else trades with? And what are we going to trade?

Seriously? So we won't be in thrall to the EU then? No customs union? You can guarantee that?

Which was always in your own imagination, barring the selected quotes of a few choice individuals.

Well done though. You voted for a massive win. No sign of 350 million for the NHS or any of the other promises yet. Any answers?


I wasn't thick enough to believe the £350m NHS "promise". It seems you lot were taken by that more than those that voted out.

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:35 pm

tinned wrote:
SaigonSaddler wrote:
tinned wrote:
SaigonSaddler wrote:You're going to get nothing you voted for and were sold a flimsy tissue of lies.


We'll be able to negotiate our own trade deals.
We'll be able to set our own laws.
We won't have to fight against the tide of ever closer union .

I got exactly what I voted for thanks


Really, and when's that going to happen? Can you give some kind of meaningful timeframe, cos no-one else can. And who with? Who are these as yet unfound nations that no-one else trades with? And what are we going to trade?

Seriously? So we won't be in thrall to the EU then? No customs union? You can guarantee that?

Which was always in your own imagination, barring the selected quotes of a few choice individuals.

Well done though. You voted for a massive win. No sign of 350 million for the NHS or any of the other promises yet. Any answers?


I wasn't thick enough to believe the £350m NHS "promise". It seems you lot were taken by that more than those that voted out.


Nope. And I said so at the time.

That isn't actually the issue, because if people propagate untruths, then some are going to be taken in.

The problem is that some, including on here, simply won't accept the reality of a complete and utter miasma the Brexit experiment has become.

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:35 pm

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Manchester Saddler wrote:
swampysaddler wrote:And with this we should, in my opinion, flick the 2 fingered salute and say "see your divorce money, whistle"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43175201


That won't happen - we've already agreed to pay it, Swampy - and that is a FACT!

It's funny, when the Rees-Moggs of this world start slagging off the EU in a similar manner you applaud with vigour. When an EU Europhile does the same you cry "scandal".

Oh the irony!

:lol:

Once again you are proving that you think its all about you !
I daresay you are well educated and knowledgeable in certain things but please stop thinking its all about you and what you think and want.
You are showing all the signs of the Europeans by your consistent petulance and wanting it all your own way. Wake up mister, the times they are a changing!


Nice try!

I know what I want - I want you Brexiters to justify to Remainers why you have all messed up the future prospects of our country - why you have made sure that we will be worse off for years to come.

If you want to talk about petulance, read Swampy's post above.

I am wide awake thanks. Pity you are not!

Can you please wake up and then justify to the half of the country that disagree with you why you have condemned us all? I justified why I voted the way I did - numerous times.

No - thought not! But if you have a change of heart you can always PM me your reasons if you are too ashamed to air them on a public forum.

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:40 pm

tinned wrote:
SaigonSaddler wrote:You're going to get nothing you voted for and were sold a flimsy tissue of lies.


We'll be able to negotiate our own trade deals.
We'll be able to set our own laws.
We won't have to fight against the tide of ever closer union .

I got exactly what I voted for thanks


We have ALWAYS been able to negotiate our own trade deals. We sell arms to the Middle East and the US for example. We have a trade deal already with China.

We have ALWAYS been able to set our own laws. Can you name a law that that the EU have "forced" upon us that you want to be rid of?

We have ALWAYS been able to fight against the tide of an ever closer union. We have the power of veto and we are NOT in the Eurozone.

If you had voted Remain you would have voted for what you want! Instead you have voted us into a dangerous and uncertain future that has made us the laughing stock of the world and will deliver nothing but hardship for the younger generation who have to deal with the consequences of the little X you put in the WRONG box!

Basically you are gullible because you believe the LIES you have heard.

Maybe that's it, Remainers. Maybe the Brexiters are just the gullible ones in our nation.

So sad!

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:13 pm

:cry:

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:17 pm

tinned wrote:
SaigonSaddler wrote:You're going to get nothing you voted for and were sold a flimsy tissue of lies.


We'll be able to negotiate our own trade deals.
We'll be able to set our own laws.
We won't have to fight against the tide of ever closer union .

I got exactly what I voted for thanks

You've already got them.
You do.
You got a veto.

What are you giving it up for?

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:36 pm

tinned wrote:
SaigonSaddler wrote:
tinned wrote:
SaigonSaddler wrote:You're going to get nothing you voted for and were sold a flimsy tissue of lies.


We'll be able to negotiate our own trade deals.
We'll be able to set our own laws.
We won't have to fight against the tide of ever closer union .

I got exactly what I voted for thanks


Really, and when's that going to happen? Can you give some kind of meaningful timeframe, cos no-one else can. And who with? Who are these as yet unfound nations that no-one else trades with? And what are we going to trade?

Seriously? So we won't be in thrall to the EU then? No customs union? You can guarantee that?

Which was always in your own imagination, barring the selected quotes of a few choice individuals.

Well done though. You voted for a massive win. No sign of 350 million for the NHS or any of the other promises yet. Any answers?


I wasn't thick enough to believe the £350m NHS "promise". It seems you lot were taken by that more than those that voted out.



Tinned you are spot on

Don't forget they think we are all thick and just keep banging on about the NHS bus

Funny enough there is a new bus going around that really makes me smile

As for saying we already had the sovereignty you voted for let's remember how Cameron got on when he begged them to help him avoid having to have a referendum

They laughed at him

That's what sovereignty we had under the failed eu project

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:39 pm

SaigonSaddler wrote:I've had more unnerved mentions on this page than I've had for quite a long time.

It's fine, and it would seriously feed my ego if I had one. 8)

But ... missing the point much?

When's Brexit / Wrexit gonna happen? :D



This plane that we're all on is going to crash and if it does I will be really pleased with myself for predicting it!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wrexit textit etc etc

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:43 pm

Very interesting to hear comments trending from Frank field the well respected labour mp

When asked what he thoughts about Corbyns back track on brexit he just asked will Corbin 'rat' on the northern labour voters

Well we will soon see

We all know that Corbyn hates the north but will he and his middle class Islington socialites actually dump them in writing

Will he rat on the north

Let's wait and see

Who's got the popcorn

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:46 pm

Manchester Saddler wrote:
PINNACLE wrote:
Manchester Saddler wrote:
swampysaddler wrote:And with this we should, in my opinion, flick the 2 fingered salute and say "see your divorce money, whistle"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43175201


That won't happen - we've already agreed to pay it, Swampy - and that is a FACT!

It's funny, when the Rees-Moggs of this world start slagging off the EU in a similar manner you applaud with vigour. When an EU Europhile does the same you cry "scandal".

Oh the irony!

:lol:

Once again you are proving that you think its all about you !
I daresay you are well educated and knowledgeable in certain things but please stop thinking its all about you and what you think and want.
You are showing all the signs of the Europeans by your consistent petulance and wanting it all your own way. Wake up mister, the times they are a changing!


Nice try!

I know what I want - I want you Brexiters to justify to Remainers why you have all messed up the future prospects of our country - why you have made sure that we will be worse off for years to come.

If you want to talk about petulance, read Swampy's post above.

I am wide awake thanks. Pity you are not!

Can you please wake up and then justify to the half of the country that disagree with you why you have condemned us all? I justified why I voted the way I did - numerous times.

No - thought not! But if you have a change of heart you can always PM me your reasons if you are too ashamed to air them on a public forum.



Is it me or do I detect a change in tone in manchesters posts

You can take the poster out of momentum but you can't take momentum out of the posts

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:57 pm

Oh look, it's another expert that temporarily passes the grade, with comments that now become the legit gold standard on Brexit reality.

But 'plane crash' etc :lol: served up with a massively irrelevant Corbyn side-salad.

It's certainly got you all riled up, and if you didn't keep repeatedly and emotionally telling us better, we might think you'd begun to realise what a balls-up it's turned into and deflecting desperately.

Looking forward to the mother of all backtracks by the EU, led by named elements within the French car lobby (guess the Germans are busy exporting to China) and, of course, Sebastián of the Benidorm beach lodge.

Popcorn's on order ... :mrgreen:

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:59 pm

Cowshed wrote:Tinned you are spot on

Don't forget they think we are all thick and just keep banging on about the NHS bus

Funny enough there is a new bus going around that really makes me smile

As for saying we already had the sovereignty you voted for let's remember how Cameron got on when he begged them to help him avoid having to have a referendum

They laughed at him

That's what sovereignty we had under the failed eu project


The NHS bus is just one of thousands of lies. Most of them have been about how "corrupt" the EU is, how they are "unelected", how we are not "independent" while in the EU - the list of lies goes on and on and on.

I personally don't think all Brexiters are thick. I think the ones that aren't xenophobes and racists voted because of scaremongery from the Leave campaing and simply didn't check the facts for themselves.

You can tell that Brexiters don't know what they have voted for because NOBODY WILL TELL ME! All they do is keep banging on about the "corrupt failed" EU but providing no evidence to support these views.

Come on Cowshed - tell me why the EU is a failed project. Tell me why the EU is "corrupt"! Tell me why our OWN political system is less corrupt.

An answer of "We are British therefore we are not corrupt!" won't cut it, I'm afraid.

So let's have an answer to these questions that I have asked repeatedly!

Why did you vote Brexit?

Why am I completely wrong about Brexit?

Why will we be better off after Brexit?


If you must use phrases like "failed EU project" and "corrupt EU" and "sovereignty" then please provide evidence to support these claims.

You won't be able to.

You haven't so far. All you have done is used soundbites with no evidence.

If Brexit is so brilliant then this should be an easy exercise.

If you are too embarrassed to share your views on this public forum then I extend the same offer I made to Pinnacle. You can PM me - I will be discrete.

Strange how my Inbox remains empty ...

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:12 pm

Cowshed wrote:
Is it me or do I detect a change in tone in manchesters posts

You can take the poster out of momentum but you can't take momentum out of the posts


It's you - definitely!

:mrgreen:

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:49 pm

There has been very little discussion on Breakfast on this thread, personally you can't beat pancakes, bacon (Canadian of course) and a touch of Maple Syrup

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:21 pm

canadiansaddler wrote:There has been very little discussion on Breakfast on this thread, personally you can't beat pancakes, bacon (Canadian of course) and a touch of Maple Syrup


Full fry up of 2 perfectly fried or poached eggs, thick, juicy Lincolnshire sausages, carefully ensconced Heinz beans, tinned or fresh grilled toms, fresh grilled mushrooms, with plenty of buttered toast and as many back bacon rashers as can reasonably fit onto the overlarge plate, fried bread optional but quality black pudding is a must. No hash browns - not sure who eats these anyway. And HP brown sauce - with a strong cup of Yorkshire tea.

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:22 pm

Manchester Saddler wrote:
Cowshed wrote:Tinned you are spot on

Don't forget they think we are all thick and just keep banging on about the NHS bus

Funny enough there is a new bus going around that really makes me smile

As for saying we already had the sovereignty you voted for let's remember how Cameron got on when he begged them to help him avoid having to have a referendum

They laughed at him

That's what sovereignty we had under the failed eu project


The NHS bus is just one of thousands of lies. Most of them have been about how "corrupt" the EU is, how they are "unelected", how we are not "independent" while in the EU - the list of lies goes on and on and on.

I personally don't think all Brexiters are thick. I think the ones that aren't xenophobes and racists voted because of scaremongery from the Leave campaing and simply didn't check the facts for themselves.

You can tell that Brexiters don't know what they have voted for because NOBODY WILL TELL ME! All they do is keep banging on about the "corrupt failed" EU but providing no evidence to support these views.

Come on Cowshed - tell me why the EU is a failed project. Tell me why the EU is "corrupt"! Tell me why our OWN political system is less corrupt.

An answer of "We are British therefore we are not corrupt!" won't cut it, I'm afraid.

So let's have an answer to these questions that I have asked repeatedly!

Why did you vote Brexit?

Why am I completely wrong about Brexit?

Why will we be better off after Brexit?


If you must use phrases like "failed EU project" and "corrupt EU" and "sovereignty" then please provide evidence to support these claims.

You won't be able to.

You haven't so far. All you have done is used soundbites with no evidence.

If Brexit is so brilliant then this should be an easy exercise.

If you are too embarrassed to share your views on this public forum then I extend the same offer I made to Pinnacle. You can PM me - I will be discrete.

Strange how my Inbox remains empty ...



25/2/2018
The eu is corrupt, nearly bankrupt,and far from keeping the peace on the continent has sparked tensions in Eastern Europe and Russia


Frank field labour mp since 1979

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:26 pm

Cowshed wrote:
Manchester Saddler wrote:
Cowshed wrote:Tinned you are spot on

Don't forget they think we are all thick and just keep banging on about the NHS bus

Funny enough there is a new bus going around that really makes me smile

As for saying we already had the sovereignty you voted for let's remember how Cameron got on when he begged them to help him avoid having to have a referendum

They laughed at him

That's what sovereignty we had under the failed eu project


The NHS bus is just one of thousands of lies. Most of them have been about how "corrupt" the EU is, how they are "unelected", how we are not "independent" while in the EU - the list of lies goes on and on and on.

I personally don't think all Brexiters are thick. I think the ones that aren't xenophobes and racists voted because of scaremongery from the Leave campaing and simply didn't check the facts for themselves.

You can tell that Brexiters don't know what they have voted for because NOBODY WILL TELL ME! All they do is keep banging on about the "corrupt failed" EU but providing no evidence to support these views.

Come on Cowshed - tell me why the EU is a failed project. Tell me why the EU is "corrupt"! Tell me why our OWN political system is less corrupt.

An answer of "We are British therefore we are not corrupt!" won't cut it, I'm afraid.

So let's have an answer to these questions that I have asked repeatedly!

Why did you vote Brexit?

Why am I completely wrong about Brexit?

Why will we be better off after Brexit?


If you must use phrases like "failed EU project" and "corrupt EU" and "sovereignty" then please provide evidence to support these claims.

You won't be able to.

You haven't so far. All you have done is used soundbites with no evidence.

If Brexit is so brilliant then this should be an easy exercise.

If you are too embarrassed to share your views on this public forum then I extend the same offer I made to Pinnacle. You can PM me - I will be discrete.

Strange how my Inbox remains empty ...



25/2/2018
The eu is corrupt, nearly bankrupt,and far from keeping the peace on the continent has sparked tensions in Eastern Europe and Russia


Frank field labour mp since 1979


Frank Field is a Brexiter.

I've said it before and I will say it again - THIS IS NOT A LEFT VERSUS RIGHT THING!!

So where is the proof? The wittering of a Brexiter Labour MP who ALSO offers no proof simply doesn't count.

Or are you so desperate that you think I wilI believe everything that comes out of every Labour politicians' cakeholes?

They are all liars and unless any one of them provides figures to back up such nonsense then his word is about as good as Jacob Rees-Mogg's, i.e. not worth the air used to expel them from his mouth.

Proof, Cowshed! Proof!

:roll:

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:34 pm

Manchester Saddler wrote:
Cowshed wrote:
Manchester Saddler wrote:
Cowshed wrote:Tinned you are spot on

Don't forget they think we are all thick and just keep banging on about the NHS bus

Funny enough there is a new bus going around that really makes me smile

As for saying we already had the sovereignty you voted for let's remember how Cameron got on when he begged them to help him avoid having to have a referendum

They laughed at him

That's what sovereignty we had under the failed eu project


The NHS bus is just one of thousands of lies. Most of them have been about how "corrupt" the EU is, how they are "unelected", how we are not "independent" while in the EU - the list of lies goes on and on and on.

I personally don't think all Brexiters are thick. I think the ones that aren't xenophobes and racists voted because of scaremongery from the Leave campaing and simply didn't check the facts for themselves.

You can tell that Brexiters don't know what they have voted for because NOBODY WILL TELL ME! All they do is keep banging on about the "corrupt failed" EU but providing no evidence to support these views.

Come on Cowshed - tell me why the EU is a failed project. Tell me why the EU is "corrupt"! Tell me why our OWN political system is less corrupt.

An answer of "We are British therefore we are not corrupt!" won't cut it, I'm afraid.

So let's have an answer to these questions that I have asked repeatedly!

Why did you vote Brexit?

Why am I completely wrong about Brexit?

Why will we be better off after Brexit?


If you must use phrases like "failed EU project" and "corrupt EU" and "sovereignty" then please provide evidence to support these claims.

You won't be able to.

You haven't so far. All you have done is used soundbites with no evidence.

If Brexit is so brilliant then this should be an easy exercise.

If you are too embarrassed to share your views on this public forum then I extend the same offer I made to Pinnacle. You can PM me - I will be discrete.

Strange how my Inbox remains empty ...



25/2/2018
The eu is corrupt, nearly bankrupt,and far from keeping the peace on the continent has sparked tensions in Eastern Europe and Russia


Frank field labour mp since 1979


Frank Field is a Brexiter.

I've said it before and I will say it again - THIS IS NOT A LEFT VERSUS RIGHT THING!!

So where is the proof? The wittering of a Brexiter Labour MP who ALSO offers no proof simply doesn't count.

Or are you so desperate that you think I wilI believe everything that comes out of every Labour politicians' cakeholes?

They are all liars and unless any one of them provides figures to back up such nonsense then his word is about as good as Jacob Rees-Mogg's, i.e. not worth the air used to expel them from his mouth.

Proof, Cowshed! Proof!

:roll:



Frank field is a brexiter

So the rules of the thread according to Manchester are that anything said by a brexiter are worthless and anything said by Manchester are the law

Don't pm me if your too embarrassed to share your reply because I don't care

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:52 pm

Well done Cowshed.
It is an unwritten rule that we are wrong and only the self righteous Manchester Saddler knew what he was voting for.
No one else in the entire country did but MS did and we are all being proven wrong with his evidence !!!!!!!!!! to prove this.

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:54 pm

Edit to the above post.
Miss Saigon does as well because they are on the "bat phone" to each other 24/7.

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:03 pm

swampysaddler wrote:Edit to the above post.
Miss Saigon does as well because they are on the "bat phone" to each other 24/7.



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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:39 am

Cowshed wrote:Frank field is a brexiter

So the rules of the thread according to Manchester are that anything said by a brexiter are worthless and anything said by Manchester are the law

Don't pm me if your too embarrassed to share your reply because I don't care


Brexiters opinions are generally worthless unless accompanied by facts to back them up. Frank Field expressed an opinion with no facts to back it up.

Why is the EU corrupt, Frank?

Why is the EU nearly bankrupt, Frank?

Where's the proof?

It's quite clear you don't care because if you did you would have done some research and put the X in the other box!

:D :wink:

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:40 am

swampysaddler wrote:Well done Cowshed.
It is an unwritten rule that we are wrong and only the self righteous Manchester Saddler knew what he was voting for.
No one else in the entire country did but MS did and we are all being proven wrong with his evidence !!!!!!!!!! to prove this.


Here we go again. Listen Swampy lad - calling me "self righteous" won't work and also shows you are losing the argument.

Care to provide any missing facts?

No - thought not!

:D :wink:

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:42 am

swampysaddler wrote:Edit to the above post.
Miss Saigon does as well because they are on the "bat phone" to each other 24/7.


:D

Not quite true. I have a filter to protect me from some of the more "seedy" conversations about his experiences in Patpong!

:wink:

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:48 am

Manchester Saddler wrote:
swampysaddler wrote:Edit to the above post.
Miss Saigon does as well because they are on the "bat phone" to each other 24/7.


:D

Not quite true. I have a filter to protect me from some of the more "seedy" conversations about his experiences in Patpong!

:wink:


What?!

I just shout up from the gimp cupboard under the stairs.

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:03 pm

SaigonSaddler wrote:
Manchester Saddler wrote:
swampysaddler wrote:Edit to the above post.
Miss Saigon does as well because they are on the "bat phone" to each other 24/7.


:D

Not quite true. I have a filter to protect me from some of the more "seedy" conversations about his experiences in Patpong!

:wink:


What?!

I just shout up from the gimp cupboard under the stairs.


I've had it soundproofed!

:D

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:11 pm

Manchester Saddler wrote:
SaigonSaddler wrote:
Manchester Saddler wrote:
swampysaddler wrote:Edit to the above post.
Miss Saigon does as well because they are on the "bat phone" to each other 24/7.


:D

Not quite true. I have a filter to protect me from some of the more "seedy" conversations about his experiences in Patpong!

:wink:


What?!

I just shout up from the gimp cupboard under the stairs.


I've had it soundproofed!

:D

You're beginning to sound like the plot of a BBC4 sitcom.

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Re: Brexit Breakfast

Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:34 pm

SaigonSaddler wrote:
canadiansaddler wrote:There has been very little discussion on Breakfast on this thread, personally you can't beat pancakes, bacon (Canadian of course) and a touch of Maple Syrup


Full fry up of 2 perfectly fried or poached eggs, thick, juicy Lincolnshire sausages, carefully ensconced Heinz beans, tinned or fresh grilled toms, fresh grilled mushrooms, with plenty of buttered toast and as many back bacon rashers as can reasonably fit onto the overlarge plate, fried bread optional but quality black pudding is a must. No hash browns - not sure who eats these anyway. And HP brown sauce - with a strong cup of Yorkshire tea.


A Brexiter's breakfast, surely? :mrgreen:

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