Brexit Breakfast

[WillenhallManiac]

lets forget the golf club analagy,

Dont forget we will be at liberty to sign free trade deals with the likes of china, just imagine how we will prosper when we make it so much easier for them to dump their government subsidised goods here! ......... Erm

Oh dear

............... I mean America so we are forced to accept their chlorinated chicken and GM produce and antibiotic laden pork belly etc! Erm

Oh dear oh dear

Well at least we will get a blue passport, so we can enjoy our hols, ( or whats left of them when we have queued with pride at the airport for unknown eons).

[derbysaddler]

lets forget the golf club analagy,

Dont forget we will be at liberty to sign free trade deals with the likes of china, just imagine how we will prosper when we make it so much easier for them to dump their government subsidised goods here! ......... Erm

Oh dear

............... I mean America so we are forced to accept their chlorinated chicken and GM produce and antibiotic laden pork belly etc! Erm

Oh dear oh dear

Well at least we will get a blue passport, so we can enjoy our hols, ( or whats left of them when we have queued with pride at the airport for unknown eons).

Indeed, my worry is when it comes to negotiating Trade regulations with say the USA and China, it will be heavily weighted in favour to them rather than been balanced, especially with some of the utter idiots we'll have negotiating on our behalf. The US and China will push hard for their commercial entities to be not bound by our own quality standard, employment, taxation and environmental regulations. That will bring issues to our banking sector, defence contractors and domestic agriculture sectors for a start.

but yeah sovereignty.

[Cowshed]

lets forget the golf club analagy,

Dont forget we will be at liberty to sign free trade deals with the likes of china, just imagine how we will prosper when we make it so much easier for them to dump their government subsidised goods here! ......... Erm

Oh dear

............... I mean America so we are forced to accept their chlorinated chicken and GM produce and antibiotic laden pork belly etc! Erm

Oh dear oh dear

Well at least we will get a blue passport, so we can enjoy our hols, ( or whats left of them when we have queued with pride at the airport for unknown eons).

Again it's all ifs, probably and mystic megs

This a thread probably better revisited at a point when some actual facts are established

[Exile]

lets forget the golf club analagy,

Dont forget we will be at liberty to sign free trade deals with the likes of china, just imagine how we will prosper when we make it so much easier for them to dump their government subsidised goods here! ......... Erm

Oh dear

............... I mean America so we are forced to accept their chlorinated chicken and GM produce and antibiotic laden pork belly etc! Erm

Oh dear oh dear

Well at least we will get a blue passport, so we can enjoy our hols, ( or whats left of them when we have queued with pride at the airport for unknown eons).

Again it's all ifs, probably and mystic megs

This a thread probably better revisited at a point when some actual facts are established

The old 'best not talk about it at all, because none of the projections say Brexit will be a good thing' argument. Convincing.

[swampysaddler]

Exile, Manchester, Saigon give us Leave voters hard evidence of the shithole this country is going to become and we might, just might, start listening to your arguments.
At the moment all you are providing are "predictions and forecasts".
We can all make predictions and forecasts, I predict I will win the Prediction League. I will make a forecast as well, it will rain in February.
See where I am going here, I am right on one. That's what predictions and forecasts are, pot fudge luck.
And as far as I can see all the predictions and forecasts (BY YOUR SO CALLED EXPERTS) since June 2016 have been proven WRONG.
So come on Manchester, Saigon, Exile give me proof of our demise !

I await but Germany are producing this and France are producing that, well done to them, but they are NOT Britain.
Do I care what Pierre produces or Helmut makes ? No not really

[Exile]

Exile, Manchester, Saigon give us Leave voters hard evidence of the shithole this country is going to become and we might, just might, start listening to your arguments.
At the moment all you are providing are "predictions and forecasts".
We can all make predictions and forecasts, I predict I will win the Prediction League. I will make a forecast as well, it will rain in February.
See where I am going here, I am right on one. That's what predictions and forecasts are, pot fudge luck.
And as far as I can see all the predictions and forecasts (BY YOUR SO CALLED EXPERTS) since June 2016 have been proven WRONG.
So come on Manchester, Saigon, Exile give me proof of our demise !

I await but Germany are producing this and France are producing that, well done to them, but they are NOT Britain.
Do I care what Pierre produces or Helmut makes ? No not really

The trouble with hard evidence is you have to wait for it to come, and the UK hasn't actually left Europe yet.

The most obvious thing would be to point to the collapse of the pound against all major currencies when it became clear that the country had voted to leave. The financial markets recognise a crock when they see one, and even now, the pound hasn't recovered to anything resembling pre-vote levels.

Then there's the fractures in the Union, with the DUP deal complicating matters in Ireland, and renewed muttering in Scotland, who voted to remain in a union just before Britain voted out.

The finance companies, banking, insurance, etc., are all scrambling to find new European headquarters so they can continue to transact with the EU instead of being marginalised. While not yet in effect, they are positioning themselves to carry out all European business offshore, with consequent losses to the economy and jobs in the U.K. (And, possibly, tax take, although most of that is shelled offshore anyway, but that's another story).

I don't know what Helmut or Pierre are up to, sorry, suffice to say that economic growth in both France and Germany has been greater than in the UK since the vote to leave the EU. Forecasts indicate this state of affairs will continue, with UK growth being slower. The economic impact of this is already more than the £350mm a week promised to the NHS.

So, what's so great about leaving? You voted for it, swampy, so why not tell us all about the glorious future that awaits us on the fringes of the European continent after we pull up the drawbridge?

[swampysaddler]

Exile, Manchester, Saigon give us Leave voters hard evidence of the shithole this country is going to become and we might, just might, start listening to your arguments.
At the moment all you are providing are "predictions and forecasts".
We can all make predictions and forecasts, I predict I will win the Prediction League. I will make a forecast as well, it will rain in February.
See where I am going here, I am right on one. That's what predictions and forecasts are, pot fudge luck.
And as far as I can see all the predictions and forecasts (BY YOUR SO CALLED EXPERTS) since June 2016 have been proven WRONG.
So come on Manchester, Saigon, Exile give me proof of our demise !

I await but Germany are producing this and France are producing that, well done to them, but they are NOT Britain.
Do I care what Pierre produces or Helmut makes ? No not really

The trouble with hard evidence is you have to wait for it to come, and the UK hasn't actually left Europe yet.

The most obvious thing would be to point to the collapse of the pound against all major currencies when it became clear that the country had voted to leave. The financial markets recognise a crock when they see one, and even now, the pound hasn't recovered to anything resembling pre-vote levels.

Then there's the fractures in the Union, with the DUP deal complicating matters in Ireland, and renewed muttering in Scotland, who voted to remain in a union just before Britain voted out.

The finance companies, banking, insurance, etc., are all scrambling to find new European headquarters so they can continue to transact with the EU instead of being marginalised. While not yet in effect, they are positioning themselves to carry out all European business offshore, with consequent losses to the economy and jobs in the U.K. (And, possibly, tax take, although most of that is shelled offshore anyway, but that's another story).

I don't know what Helmut or Pierre are up to, sorry, suffice to say that economic growth in both France and Germany has been greater than in the UK since the vote to leave the EU. Forecasts indicate this state of affairs will continue, with UK growth being slower. The economic impact of this is already more than the £350mm a week promised to the NHS.

So, what's so great about leaving? You voted for it, swampy, so why not tell us all about the glorious future that awaits us on the fringes of the European continent after we pull up the drawbridge?

Is you have no hard evidence that we are going into demise because if you did you would provide it.
Olive branch, provide me hard evidence Brexit has ruined the country ! I await your normal response of "predictions, forecasts, you are wrong I am right because I have no proof".
Come on all I am asking for is "proof" of the Brexit effect and we are doomed.
Not hard really. Give me evidence that my Leave vote was wrong.
And that is an open invitation to you also Manchester.
Give me "hard evidence", not predictions by your so called experts, hard facts, proven stats, ones that have been verified, like the result of the referendum 52/48 :lol: , that I can at least play with. I am sick and tired of repeating myself that you, Exile, Saigon, El Scunthorpe all rely on "predictions and forecasts".
Let's deal in hard facts.

[Exile]

i was too desperate to copy and paste my prescripted response, so I didn't read the post, or understand it

YOU voted to upset the status quo, so how about YOU justify it? Oh, wait. You can't. :roll:

[SaigonSaddler]

Exile, Manchester, Saigon give us Leave voters hard evidence of the shithole this country is going to become and we might, just might, start listening to your arguments.
At the moment all you are providing are "predictions and forecasts".
We can all make predictions and forecasts, I predict I will win the Prediction League. I will make a forecast as well, it will rain in February.
See where I am going here, I am right on one. That's what predictions and forecasts are, pot fudge luck.
And as far as I can see all the predictions and forecasts (BY YOUR SO CALLED EXPERTS) since June 2016 have been proven WRONG.
So come on Manchester, Saigon, Exile give me proof of our demise !

I await but Germany are producing this and France are producing that, well done to them, but they are NOT Britain.
Do I care what Pierre produces or Helmut makes ? No not really

The trouble with hard evidence is you have to wait for it to come, and the UK hasn't actually left Europe yet.

The most obvious thing would be to point to the collapse of the pound against all major currencies when it became clear that the country had voted to leave. The financial markets recognise a crock when they see one, and even now, the pound hasn't recovered to anything resembling pre-vote levels.

Then there's the fractures in the Union, with the DUP deal complicating matters in Ireland, and renewed muttering in Scotland, who voted to remain in a union just before Britain voted out.

The finance companies, banking, insurance, etc., are all scrambling to find new European headquarters so they can continue to transact with the EU instead of being marginalised. While not yet in effect, they are positioning themselves to carry out all European business offshore, with consequent losses to the economy and jobs in the U.K. (And, possibly, tax take, although most of that is shelled offshore anyway, but that's another story).

I don't know what Helmut or Pierre are up to, sorry, suffice to say that economic growth in both France and Germany has been greater than in the UK since the vote to leave the EU. Forecasts indicate this state of affairs will continue, with UK growth being slower. The economic impact of this is already more than the £350mm a week promised to the NHS.

So, what's so great about leaving? You voted for it, swampy, so why not tell us all about the glorious future that awaits us on the fringes of the European continent after we pull up the drawbridge?

Is you have no hard evidence that we are going into demise because if you did you would provide it.
Olive branch, provide me hard evidence Brexit has ruined the country ! I await your normal response of "predictions, forecasts, you are wrong I am right because I have no proof".
Come on all I am asking for is "proof" of the Brexit effect and we are doomed.
Not hard really. Give me evidence that my Leave vote was wrong.
And that is an open invitation to you also Manchester.
Give me "hard evidence", not predictions by your so called experts, hard facts, proven stats, ones that have been verified, like the result of the referendum 52/48 :lol: , that I can at least play with. I am sick and tired of repeating myself that you, Exile, Saigon, El Scunthorpe all rely on "predictions and forecasts".
Let's deal in hard facts.

Err, he literally just has.

Add to it the fall in growth rates from 2.2 to 1.6 on the last page which you've also ignored.

And while you're currently in the mood to dispose of predictions, when these are being made by people in the know such as the CBI, then they become best guesses about what will happen. While the predictions are yet to come to fruition, it remains a fact that this is what people think will happen.

Facts can also be found in things that haven't happened, 350 million for the NHS, the much vaunted rescue by German car manufacturers, the 'we won't pay a penny' rubbish and almost everything the leave lobby suggested.

We've covered your very personal interpretation of what would happen in June 2016, which included everything but civil war. Naturally, that hasn't happened, but when you've set your bar so high it loses it's value as a point.

So let's go like for like - what facts can you dredge up in support of Brexit. You could focus economically, socially, politically or anything else you choose.

[Manchester Saddler]

Is you have no hard evidence that we are going into demise because if you did you would provide it.
Olive branch, provide me hard evidence Brexit has ruined the country ! I await your normal response of "predictions, forecasts, you are wrong I am right because I have no proof".
Come on all I am asking for is "proof" of the Brexit effect and we are doomed.
Not hard really. Give me evidence that my Leave vote was wrong.
And that is an open invitation to you also Manchester.
Give me "hard evidence", not predictions by your so called experts, hard facts, proven stats, ones that have been verified, like the result of the referendum 52/48 :lol: , that I can at least play with. I am sick and tired of repeating myself that you, Exile, Saigon, El Scunthorpe all rely on "predictions and forecasts".
Let's deal in hard facts.

Oh Swampy Swampy Swampy!!

Let's just get one thing straight - Brexiteers say "We will be fine if not better off!" - this is prediction too, you know.

You seem absolutely blind to all of the facts that have been presented to you and others on this thread - the fall of the pound, the poor rate of growth, the threats to the financial services, the reports, the warning of the Japanese Ambassador to name just a couple off the top of my head.

From the very beginning of this fiasco, even BEFORE the referendum vote on the thread that was removed by the mods, I have been asking you lot for anything to make me change my mind and you simply cannot do it.

I wish that thread were still there because I wrote a few tomes setting the record straight about misunderstandings about the "corrupt EU" the role of the European Commission etc. - yet you just seem to totally ignore it.

You all do.

I would dearly love you Swampy, or any other Brexiteer who is willing to (and able!!) to read my posts thoroughly and for each point I make TELL ME WHY I AM WRONG!!!

You bloody well can't - NOT ONE OF YOU.

I have posted FACTS and, admittedly, some speculation,

You lot have posted NOTHING!

Answer me the questions I have been asking since all this started and then I might just reiterate the facts I have posted.

Better still, Swampy - read them yourself.

It's SO simple!

Come on Swampy - Cully - ANYBODY!

You simply can't because, deep down, you know that Exile, Saigon and the other Remainers who have posted on this and other threads are totally correct!

In my experience, people who say "let me turn that around ..." are doing so because they CANNOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

QED!

[SaigonSaddler]

May's just begged the EU for a longer transition period. Allowing the current set-up to carry on as normal, while peeling our fingers back from all the elements that the Wrexit mob were baying for.

That's called kicking Leave down the road. :idea:

So, what did you win Wrexiteers?

8)

[Exile]

...answer came there none. Swampy must be off the juice, or out on a massive bender trying to make sense of it. :mrgreen:

[SaigonSaddler]

...answer came there none. Swampy must be off the juice, or out on a massive bender trying to make sense of it. :mrgreen:

Bit different to the rumpus around the time of the vote, when quite a number were giving it large. What happened to flag waving day?

And what are they doing now? Having a massive sulk.

Oh dear .... Silly, silly wrexiteers.

:roll:

[Cowshed]

...answer came there none. Swampy must be off the juice, or out on a massive bender trying to make sense of it. :mrgreen:

Bit different to the rumpus around the time of the vote, when quite a number were giving it large. What happened to flag waving day?

And what are they doing now? Having a massive sulk.

Oh dear .... Silly, silly wrexiteers.

:roll:

Remoaners eh - got to say they have taken the decision to leave well- not

The official new definition of sulk

No sulking here though

Great news about eu immigration - I think they have finally taken the hint

Also interesting to hear Francois Roudier on radio 4 -the French car industry lobbyist begging Macron to be more favourable to a deal rather than pander to Brussels- it's just the start pass the popcorn and watch the backtrack unfold

As for flags they are being prepared along with the Veuve Clicquot (oh the irony) on ice ready for 11.oo on 29 March 2019

One hell of a party

[SaigonSaddler]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[swampysaddler]

Cowshed I wouldn't bother mate.
As per you get the childish response like Saigon has given.
When asked for "PROVEN FACTS" and not "PREDICTIONS AND FORECASTS" they go off on a tandem (what's is your favourite Saigon ALDI ?).
Reason .............................simple they are being proven wrong daily and the likes of Saigon (who is meant to be a teacher but is always referring to his jaunts across his EU patriots. Which we can discount Austria and Hungary from, and France for that matter but Macaroni won't give the French the vote), Manchester, Exile (who it doesn't even effect in New Zealand) can't accept they were WRONG.
I give up posting links to the benefits of Brexit because these that know better than us, because we DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WAS VOTING FOR, just attempt to ridicule it with stupid smileys. Just look above this post for a prime example.

[swampysaddler]

And with this we should, in my opinion, flick the 2 fingered salute and say "see your divorce money, whistle"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43175201

[SaigonSaddler]

I'd be an upset and angry snowflake too Swamps, if I'd been tricked into voting for Brexit. I'd be irrational and lash out, like you.

You're going to get nothing you voted for and were sold a flimsy tissue of lies.

Unfortunately, this is bigger than you and your ongoing personality demon, and will seriously affect everyone in the country for years to come. May is trying to prolong the process because there is no plan, something confirmed by Tusk yesterday referring to Britain's latest plan as 'an illusion'.

Ridiculous.

Oh and PS, I found Cowshed's 'watching the backtrack unfold' masterpiece a genuine work of comedy,

:D

[Cowshed]

Financial times Claire Jones 16/1/18

European Central Bank warns of Brexit 'shock' to financial stability

'An influential EUrozone CB official has warned that an abrupt British departure of the Eu would be a genuine 'shock' threatening the stability of Europe's financial system'

Philip Lane governor of CB of Ireland and member of ECB governing council emphasised London's importance providing financing to the rest of the bloc

That's funny because according to saigons so called facts the eu don't need us

Not much shoulder shrugging going on at the ECB

[Cowshed]

Not all rosy at the Eu

EU meeting to discuss budget 2021 to 27

Net receiving countries like Poland and Greece are panicking about receiving less

Net contributing countries like Austria and Netherlands are furious about having to pay more

And did you see what Denmark had to say. Naughty Denmark that was not very European

Germany and France have warned funding cuts to Eu programs could damage efforts to tackle immigration into the continent. That will go down well in Germany and Austria.

Not much shoulder shrugging at that meeting!

Play hardball with us and we take our ball in

EU politicians that don't listen to their own electorate are not going to be popular

Just watch the backtracking in The net receiving southern and eastern members it's going to happen!

[SaigonSaddler]

Financial times Claire Jones 16/1/18

European Central Bank warns of Brexit 'shock' to financial stability

'An influential EUrozone CB official has warned that an abrupt British departure of the Eu would be a genuine 'shock' threatening the stability of Europe's financial system'

Philip Lane governor of CB of Ireland and member of ECB governing council emphasised London's importance providing financing to the rest of the bloc

That's funny because according to saigons so called facts the eu don't need us

Not much shoulder shrugging going on at the ECB

Loving the desperate pinning of over-arching, global truths on the quotes of single commentators.

With the French car 'lobbyist', guest house owners of Marbella and the head of the Irish CB, I guess that's case closed in Cowshed land. The EU's about to fold apparently.

Are these the 'right' kind of experts? Or the kind that can be dismissed as being hopelessly out of touch because they present other conclusions?

How do you feel about the exit being kicked back to well after March 2019? ie still adhering to EU Terms and conditions to an undisclosed date beyond this?

I'd stick you're Champers on ice. :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

PS - Panicking and furious - that's the British negotiating tactic, not your appraisal of the EU position based on what Manuel of Ibiza said to one of your mates.

:mrgreen:

[Manchester Saddler]

Cowshed I wouldn't bother mate.
As per you get the childish response like Saigon has given.
When asked for "PROVEN FACTS" and not "PREDICTIONS AND FORECASTS" they go off on a tandem (what's is your favourite Saigon ALDI ?).
Reason .............................simple they are being proven wrong daily and the likes of Saigon (who is meant to be a teacher but is always referring to his jaunts across his EU patriots. Which we can discount Austria and Hungary from, and France for that matter but Macaroni won't give the French the vote), Manchester, Exile (who it doesn't even effect in New Zealand) can't accept they were WRONG.
I give up posting links to the benefits of Brexit because these that know better than us, because we DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WAS VOTING FOR, just attempt to ridicule it with stupid smileys. Just look above this post for a prime example.

Utter ballcocks!

You have never proven me wrong.

I challenge you to do it now, Swampy.

Here - I'll even start you off!

"You are wrong Manchester because ..."

By the way I will discount anything like:

"You are wrong Manchester because I have proven you wrong on a daily basis!". Why? Because you haven't!

:mrgreen:

[Manchester Saddler]

Financial times Claire Jones 16/1/18

European Central Bank warns of Brexit 'shock' to financial stability

'An influential EUrozone CB official has warned that an abrupt British departure of the Eu would be a genuine 'shock' threatening the stability of Europe's financial system'

Philip Lane governor of CB of Ireland and member of ECB governing council emphasised London's importance providing financing to the rest of the bloc

That's funny because according to saigons so called facts the eu don't need us

Not much shoulder shrugging going on at the ECB

Ah! This is a Brexiter making predictions that you actually believe???

Oh the irony.

:lol:

[Manchester Saddler]

And with this we should, in my opinion, flick the 2 fingered salute and say "see your divorce money, whistle"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43175201

That won't happen - we've already agreed to pay it, Swampy - and that is a FACT!

It's funny, when the Rees-Moggs of this world start slagging off the EU in a similar manner you applaud with vigour. When an EU Europhile does the same you cry "scandal".

Oh the irony!

:lol:

[PINNACLE]

And with this we should, in my opinion, flick the 2 fingered salute and say "see your divorce money, whistle"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43175201

That won't happen - we've already agreed to pay it, Swampy - and that is a FACT!

It's funny, when the Rees-Moggs of this world start slagging off the EU in a similar manner you applaud with vigour. When an EU Europhile does the same you cry "scandal".

Oh the irony!

:lol:

Once again you are proving that you think its all about you !
I daresay you are well educated and knowledgeable in certain things but please stop thinking its all about you and what you think and want.
You are showing all the signs of the Europeans by your consistent petulance and wanting it all your own way. Wake up mister, the times they are a changing!

[Cowshed]

Financial times Claire Jones 16/1/18

European Central Bank warns of Brexit 'shock' to financial stability

'An influential EUrozone CB official has warned that an abrupt British departure of the Eu would be a genuine 'shock' threatening the stability of Europe's financial system'

Philip Lane governor of CB of Ireland and member of ECB governing council emphasised London's importance providing financing to the rest of the bloc

That's funny because according to saigons so called facts the eu don't need us

Not much shoulder shrugging going on at the ECB

Loving the desperate pinning of over-arching, global truths on the quotes of single commentators.

With the French car 'lobbyist', guest house owners of Marbella and the head of the Irish CB, I guess that's case closed in Cowshed land. The EU's about to fold apparently.

Are these the 'right' kind of experts? Or the kind that can be dismissed as being hopelessly out of touch because they present other conclusions?

How do you feel about the exit being kicked back to well after March 2019? ie still adhering to EU Terms and conditions to an undisclosed date beyond this?

I'd stick you're Champers on ice. :wink:

So in Saigon’s world the ECB, taking into account the level of German and French gearing, are viewing the withdrawal of UK payments with a sense of equanimity and
Barnier has not been asked to back track by certain member countries

Really if we are so insignificant then we should have been asked to leave in 2019 as we would not be missed but funnily enough we have been allowed an extension - I ask myself why

Would it be it be too much like rubbing noses in it if we also arranged for fireworks at the leaving party ?

[tinned]

You're going to get nothing you voted for and were sold a flimsy tissue of lies.

We'll be able to negotiate our own trade deals.
We'll be able to set our own laws.
We won't have to fight against the tide of ever closer union .

I got exactly what I voted for thanks

[Cowshed]

Cowshed I wouldn't bother mate.
As per you get the childish response like Saigon has given.
When asked for "PROVEN FACTS" and not "PREDICTIONS AND FORECASTS" they go off on a tandem (what's is your favourite Saigon ALDI ?).
Reason .............................simple they are being proven wrong daily and the likes of Saigon (who is meant to be a teacher but is always referring to his jaunts across his EU patriots. Which we can discount Austria and Hungary from, and France for that matter but Macaroni won't give the French the vote), Manchester, Exile (who it doesn't even effect in New Zealand) can't accept they were WRONG.
I give up posting links to the benefits of Brexit because these that know better than us, because we DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WAS VOTING FOR, just attempt to ridicule it with stupid smileys. Just look above this post for a prime example.

What’s really weird is that Saigon appears to miss the point that events do affect him as well

He seems very pleased with himself as he predicts doom

The emojis and childish play on the brexit word are a bit unnerving

[SaigonSaddler]

I've had more unnerved mentions on this page than I've had for quite a long time.

It's fine, and it would seriously feed my ego if I had one. 8)

But ... missing the point much?

When's Brexit / Wrexit gonna happen? :D