Brexit Breakfast

[Manchester Saddler]

Have YOU noticed this? I don't think it's remainers who are getting desperate.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tori ... -r7nc79cw5

Jacob Rees-Mogg is totally out of touch with 98% of the population and, it appears, 98% of his own party too.

Deep down the public and most Brexiteers know the truth of the matter - that we will be much worse off after Brexit.

There is not one Brexit scenario that will be good for the UK.

But yet again - I ask Brexiteers to disagree with me and prove me wrong with facts.

WHat I find insteresting is that if I were to start a thread on any subject other than Brexit and voice my opinions there would be a tsunami of posts disagreeing with me and telling me why I am wrong.

Not this one though.

:D :mrgreen:

[Cully]

You’re wrong but nothing different there methinks, I read that you have now surveyed the entire Brexit community for want of a better phrase, adding this weighty poll to your ‘rest of the world’ makes me think that the country could use someone with your talent for exaggeration.
:idea:

Hanging your hat on amazing predictions is the recipe for disaster, come to think of it that’s a default position for you when it comes to this particular subject.

At least you haven’t talked about changing your passport like some other drama queens in order to save time at the airport or being able to open an ‘ English pub’ in Spain which apparently will be impossible when we leave the EU.

I’m off to the match now, nothing ever really changes, life goes on just like it will after we leave and you will not notice any change, you will still be able to buy marmite, travel the world including the Europe just as easily, the pound will go up and down as will every other currency and you will be surprised looking back that you once wrote such a load of speculative and might I say selfish garbage.

:D :arrow: PERIOD

[SaigonSaddler]

You’re wrong but nothing different there methinks, I read that you have now surveyed the entire Brexit community for want of a better phrase, adding this weighty poll to your ‘rest of the world’ makes me think that the country could use someone with your talent for exaggeration.
:idea:

So we're wrong but you can't find any evidence in support of your statement?

Just ... 'wrong'

:D :D :D

[Cully]

Jacob Rees-Mogg is totally out of touch with 98% of the population and, it appears, 98% of his own party too.

Deep down the public and most Brexiteers know the truth of the matter - that we will be much worse off after Brexit.

There is not one Brexit scenario that will be good for the UK.

But yet again - I ask Brexiteers to disagree with me:

In the interests of providing ‘evidence’ for those that doubt and even disagree with your speculative and sweeping statements could you please post ‘evidence’ to support the above statements. Here’s some space to post a few facts, you may include the results of your surveys/questionnaire/analysis in the following brackets
(........)
I’m pretty confident you’re wrong and quoting the bloke you met at the last International Vacuum Cleaner Sales conference doesn’t really cut it with me.

[tinned]

I never thought I'd be agreeing with Cully over Manchester in a politics discussion but there it is.

You don't half talk some bollox over this Manchester. You ask for opposite views but because you disagree with them you dismiss them and say that not one Brexiteer has offered any argument.

When an erudite poster like aaaae says its pointless engaging in discussion with you because you never listen you know its time to stop trying.

There's none so deaf that won't listen

[Cowshed]

No one’s looking to change your mind Manchester because each person voted for their own reasons and bearing in mind the majority got the result they wanted why should they care about changing your mind.

Banging on about being worse off based on ‘fairly accurate’ best guesses is tired now and really just lazy

Have a think about qualitative and not just quantative information

For example a bloke at the game today said he was sick of hearing about us all being worse off as if that really mattered

He explained he’d rather walk into a pub with a fiver in his pocket where there was a seat available and he knew the people in there than have a tenner but couldn’t get a seat because it was packed with strangers.

[SaigonSaddler]

The last three posts have talked mightily about facts, yet provided absolutely nothing in support.

All Mancs has asked for is evidence, so is it actually that hard to finally provide some (any) or are we going to be confined yet again to submissions entirely confined to rhetoric?

Fill ya boots! (or not)

Answers on a postcard to ...

Can't be bothered
Too difficult
Bullshit Avenue
Little England

[Cully]

The last three posts have talked mightily about facts, yet provided absolutely nothing in support.

All Mancs has asked for is evidence, so is it actually that hard to finally provide some (any) or are we going to be confined yet again to submissions entirely confined to rhetoric?

Fill ya boots! (or not)

Answers on a postcard to ...

Can't be bothered
Too difficult
Bullshit Avenue
Little England

:lol: Hang on a second,, your asking for ‘evidence’ to disprove a guess as to what will happen in the future :lol: ............and you’re an English teacher? Facts reflect what has happened not what might happpen.

Manchester has posted his highly speculative predictions in a plethora of posts throughout this and other threads . He has apparently based his guesses on other people’s predictions , miscellaneous surveys he has alledgedly carried on random trips to ? the dentist, the pub, countries of the world , the Guardian whatever .

I think I’ll let you know what happens after we’ve left and Manchester can keep guessing from his bedroom in his lodgings at Pointless Guess House , Speculation Street, Disaster by the sea, Europe.

Ps I loved his reasons he posted after 18 months for remaining, ii enjoyed reading them last night again :lol:

[SaigonSaddler]

The last three posts have talked mightily about facts, yet provided absolutely nothing in support.

All Mancs has asked for is evidence, so is it actually that hard to finally provide some (any) or are we going to be confined yet again to submissions entirely confined to rhetoric?

Fill ya boots! (or not)

Answers on a postcard to ...

Can't be bothered
Too difficult
Bullshit Avenue
Little England

:lol: Hang on a second,, your asking for ‘evidence’ to disprove a guess as to what will happen in the future :lol: ............and you’re an English teacher? Facts reflect what has happened not what might happpen.

Manchester has posted his highly speculative predictions in a plethora of posts throughout this and other threads . He has apparently based his guesses on other people’s predictions , miscellaneous surveys he has alledgedly carried on random trips to ? the dentist, the pub, countries of the world , the Guardian whatever .

I think I’ll let you know what happens after we’ve left and Manchester can keep guessing from his bedroom in his lodgings at Pointless Guess House , Speculation Street, Disaster by the sea, Europe.

Ps I loved his reasons he posted after 18 months for remaining, ii enjoyed reading them last night again :lol:

:D

I was drunk when I wrote that response and had visions of a sustained attack on named individuals. It's actually not that bad!

With greetings from:

Hangover Hotel,
Pisspot cul-de-sac,
Sobriety Avenue,
Beerhole
Europa

[Manchester Saddler]

Cully me old mucker.

Just for once try to be serious about this.

Here's a template for a Cully post:

"You are wrong because you are an idiot - <insert insult> - <insert emoticon or two> - <insert puerile joke>"

What I would like to see for once is for you to actually discuss things without trying to be the board clown and evading the point.

So let's bring it down to basics.

Answer me these two questions without insulting me, without trying to put down my point of view and without the crappy jokes.

Why did you vote for Brexit?

Why will the UK be better off after we leave the UK?

Come on Cully - it's simple.

And if you answer in and intelligent way (you think you the most intelligent person on UTS after all, don't you?) perhaps that may go some way to convincing me that my opinion is wholly wrong.

Can we have some substance for once instead of avoiding the issue with your usual nonsense?

:D

[Manchester Saddler]

No one’s looking to change your mind Manchester because each person voted for their own reasons and bearing in mind the majority got the result they wanted why should they care about changing your mind.

Banging on about being worse off based on ‘fairly accurate’ best guesses is tired now and really just lazy

Have a think about qualitative and not just quantative information

For example a bloke at the game today said he was sick of hearing about us all being worse off as if that really mattered

He explained he’d rather walk into a pub with a fiver in his pocket where there was a seat available and he knew the people in there than have a tenner but couldn’t get a seat because it was packed with strangers.

Same questions for you, Cowshed, mate.

Why did you vote Brexit?

Why will the UK be better off after we leave the UK?

:D

[Manchester Saddler]

The last three posts have talked mightily about facts, yet provided absolutely nothing in support.

All Mancs has asked for is evidence, so is it actually that hard to finally provide some (any) or are we going to be confined yet again to submissions entirely confined to rhetoric?

Fill ya boots! (or not)

Answers on a postcard to ...

Can't be bothered
Too difficult
Bullshit Avenue
Little England

:lol: Hang on a second,, your asking for ‘evidence’ to disprove a guess as to what will happen in the future :lol: ............and you’re an English teacher? Facts reflect what has happened not what might happpen.

Manchester has posted his highly speculative predictions in a plethora of posts throughout this and other threads . He has apparently based his guesses on other people’s predictions , miscellaneous surveys he has alledgedly carried on random trips to ? the dentist, the pub, countries of the world , the Guardian whatever .

I think I’ll let you know what happens after we’ve left and Manchester can keep guessing from his bedroom in his lodgings at Pointless Guess House , Speculation Street, Disaster by the sea, Europe.

Ps I loved his reasons he posted after 18 months for remaining, ii enjoyed reading them last night again :lol:

:D

I was drunk when I wrote that response and had visions of a sustained attack on named individuals. It's actually not that bad!

With greetings from:

Hangover Hotel,
Pisspot cul-de-sac,
Sobriety Avenue,
Beerhole
Europa

I thought you were in a perpetual state of drunkeness my perverted friend.

:D :wink:

[Cowshed]

No one’s looking to change your mind Manchester because each person voted for their own reasons and bearing in mind the majority got the result they wanted why should they care about changing your mind.

Banging on about being worse off based on ‘fairly accurate’ best guesses is tired now and really just lazy

Have a think about qualitative and not just quantative information

For example a bloke at the game today said he was sick of hearing about us all being worse off as if that really mattered

He explained he’d rather walk into a pub with a fiver in his pocket where there was a seat available and he knew the people in there than have a tenner but couldn’t get a seat because it was packed with strangers.

Same questions for you, Cowshed, mate.

Why did you vote Brexit?

Why will the UK be better off after we leave the UK?

:D

I had 3 clients whose businesses folded , good businesses but collapsed under red tape introduced from the EU. Businesses that had been running legitimately for many years with no harm to customers and happy employees. The new burden was unsustainable.

So you try to help them

Manchester

Try to find out who your mep is

Try to get a meeting

When you do finally get a meeting ask them how many other meps there are and ask them how influential they really are go on you'll find your mep to be honest about the hopelessness of their situation

Then wait for a response

And wait and wait and you know what surprise surprise no response

Devolved decision making and people making decisions about their own lives not having lives ruined by unreachable decision makers living thousands of miles away


There is a reasonable outcome though one business may be reformed. Normally they lose out on contract bids to bigger eu firms but suddenly the other bids have slowed down so they may be back up and running. I tell them this can't be so because brexit is supposed to be bad for the uk not open up opportunities.

[Guest]

Sorry, Manchester, but you seem to have said we are leaving the UK (twice).

I don't know about English pubs in Spain, Cully, but I know that such pubs in Hong Kong have become very different since the handover and the consequent restrictions on UK citizens coming here. Not a British barman in sight.

[Manchester Saddler]

Sorry, Manchester, but you seem to have said we are leaving the UK (twice).

I don't know about English pubs in Spain, Cully, but I know that such pubs in Hong Kong have become very different since the handover and the consequent restrictions on UK citizens coming here. Not a British barman in sight.

Ah - yes. Well spotted.

:D

I hope you're not confused by my typo Cully. I think you know what I mean,

:D

And you are right about Hong Kong. I worked there a lot up to and after the handover in 1997. We're were there in 2013 and plan to go again next year. While its still an amazing city, you can tell the change from the early 1990s.

[chunkster]

Sorry, Manchester, but you seem to have said we are leaving the UK (twice).

I don't know about English pubs in Spain, Cully, but I know that such pubs in Hong Kong have become very different since the handover and the consequent restrictions on UK citizens coming here. Not a British barman in sight.

Ah - yes. Well spotted.

:D

I hope you're not confused by my typo Cully. I think you know what I mean,

:D

And you are right about Hong Kong. I worked there a lot up to and after the handover in 1997. We're were there in 2013 and plan to go again next year. While its still an amazing city, you can tell the change from the early 1990s.

Have the Chinese given in to capitalism :mrgreen:

[Manchester Saddler]

Sorry, Manchester, but you seem to have said we are leaving the UK (twice).

I don't know about English pubs in Spain, Cully, but I know that such pubs in Hong Kong have become very different since the handover and the consequent restrictions on UK citizens coming here. Not a British barman in sight.

Ah - yes. Well spotted.

:D

I hope you're not confused by my typo Cully. I think you know what I mean,

:D

And you are right about Hong Kong. I worked there a lot up to and after the handover in 1997. We're were there in 2013 and plan to go again next year. While its still an amazing city, you can tell the change from the early 1990s.

Have the Chinese given in to capitalism :mrgreen:

Its a "special administrative region" that they won't/can't change for 50 years after the handover - so in 2047 we may see a dramatic change (if I;m still around then of course!).

:D

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

Sorry, Manchester, but you seem to have said we are leaving the UK (twice).

I don't know about English pubs in Spain, Cully, but I know that such pubs in Hong Kong have become very different since the handover and the consequent restrictions on UK citizens coming here. Not a British barman in sight.

Ah - yes. Well spotted.

:D

I hope you're not confused by my typo Cully. I think you know what I mean,

:D

And you are right about Hong Kong. I worked there a lot up to and after the handover in 1997. We're were there in 2013 and plan to go again next year. While its still an amazing city, you can tell the change from the early 1990s.

Have the Chinese given in to capitalism :mrgreen:

Its a "special administrative region" that they won't/can't change for 50 years after the handover - so in 2047 we may see a dramatic change (if I;m still around then of course!).

:D

Still around. You will still be on this thread banging on about Brexit. :wink:

[Manchester Saddler]

Unless common sense prevails and Brexit is reversed. :D :wink:

[Morty]

on a (slightly) unrelated note I wonder how Daily Mail readers are reacting to the fact that Ancient Britons "had dark brown skin and blue eyes" :twisted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42939192

[BarnsleySaddler]

Just to add something, it is stated that people knew what they were voting for. People were asked on TV from South Yorkshire, South Wales Cornwall (all areas which voted to leave) what they knew about the EU. There answers were the same from all 3 areas what has the EU done for us. The EU poured millions into the UK and these areas under the European Structural and Investment Funds which helped with the re-generation of the Coalfields amongst other areas. Millions under the European Social Fund were spent on re-training people throughout the UK with millions more in these 3 areas under Objective 1 funding. They had`nt a clue what the EU has done in the UK because each € did`nt come stamped "from the EU". Just 1 example of people knowing "all the facts" before voting.

[Manchester Saddler]

And a hard Brexit is presumably so-called because it will hit the West Midlands HARD no doubt?

When are people going to wake up??

P.S.

Still waiting, Cully!!

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

Just to add something, it is stated that people knew what they were voting for. People were asked on TV from South Yorkshire, South Wales Cornwall (all areas which voted to leave) what they knew about the EU. There answers were the same from all 3 areas what has the EU done for us. The EU poured millions into the UK and these areas under the European Structural and Investment Funds which helped with the re-generation of the Coalfields amongst other areas. Millions under the European Social Fund were spent on re-training people throughout the UK with millions more in these 3 areas under Objective 1 funding. They had`nt a clue what the EU has done in the UK because each € did`nt come stamped "from the EU". Just 1 example of people knowing "all the facts" before voting.

In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion.

Lets do our own re-generation.

[Manchester Saddler]

Just to add something, it is stated that people knew what they were voting for. People were asked on TV from South Yorkshire, South Wales Cornwall (all areas which voted to leave) what they knew about the EU. There answers were the same from all 3 areas what has the EU done for us. The EU poured millions into the UK and these areas under the European Structural and Investment Funds which helped with the re-generation of the Coalfields amongst other areas. Millions under the European Social Fund were spent on re-training people throughout the UK with millions more in these 3 areas under Objective 1 funding. They had`nt a clue what the EU has done in the UK because each € did`nt come stamped "from the EU". Just 1 example of people knowing "all the facts" before voting.

In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion.

Lets do our own re-generation.

Reality Check:

That is not quite true, NSD.

The figures I saw were that we give £18.9 billion to the EU - a figure that is far more than the £13.1 billion. :shock:

However,we get a rebate of £4.2 billion (as negotiated by the Blue Witch) PLUS £5.6 billion EU funded public and private sector credits, leaving a total of £8.1 billion net contribution.

Putting that into perspective, the government spends £814 billion pounds annually - i.e. we spend about 1% to be members of the EU.

For that, we get full access to the customs union, single market and everything else EU membership gives us, contributing to a stronger economy and bigger growth forecasts.

According to the leaked report:

In north-east England growth would be 3% lower if the UK stayed in the single market, 11% under a trade deal and 16% with no trade deal compared with staying in the EU.

The research suggests London - which backed Remain - would fare the best, with reductions of 1%, 2% and 2.5% in each of the three scenarios.

Scotland's estimated hit would be 2.5%, 6% and 9%. Wales would see reductions of 1.5%, 5.5% and 9.5%.

I don't think we will be able to afford our own regeneration - do you?

[Wragbyred]

Shhh.... be quiet Newport, they don’t like to hear things like that !

[Manchester Saddler]

And another thing.

We have dropped out of the top 5 biggest economies in the world, falling behind France and with India catching up fast.

But I guess you Brexiteers are ignoring these facts which are evidence of our decline on the world stage.

I'm sure Brexiteers don't like THESE facts.

We were in the top 5 BECAUSE of the EU not in spite of it.

Expect to see us dropping down the table in years to come.

[Wragbyred]

Didn’t know India were in the EU?
You’ll be spouting on about US falling behind Brazil, Indonesia and Nigeria in your next post?

[swampysaddler]

Just to add something, it is stated that people knew what they were voting for. People were asked on TV from South Yorkshire, South Wales Cornwall (all areas which voted to leave) what they knew about the EU. There answers were the same from all 3 areas what has the EU done for us. The EU poured millions into the UK and these areas under the European Structural and Investment Funds which helped with the re-generation of the Coalfields amongst other areas. Millions under the European Social Fund were spent on re-training people throughout the UK with millions more in these 3 areas under Objective 1 funding. They had`nt a clue what the EU has done in the UK because each € did`nt come stamped "from the EU". Just 1 example of people knowing "all the facts" before voting.

In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion.

Lets do our own re-generation.

Reality Check:

That is not quite true, NSD.

The figures I saw were that we give £18.9 billion to the EU - a figure that is far more than the £13.1 billion. :shock:

However,we get a rebate of £4.2 billion (as negotiated by the Blue Witch) PLUS £5.6 billion EU funded public and private sector credits, leaving a total of £8.1 billion net contribution.

Putting that into perspective, the government spends £814 billion pounds annually - i.e. we spend about 1% to be members of the EU.

For that, we get full access to the customs union, single market and everything else EU membership gives us, contributing to a stronger economy and bigger growth forecasts.

According to the leaked report:

In north-east England growth would be 3% lower if the UK stayed in the single market, 11% under a trade deal and 16% with no trade deal compared with staying in the EU.

The research suggests London - which backed Remain - would fare the best, with reductions of 1%, 2% and 2.5% in each of the three scenarios.

Scotland's estimated hit would be 2.5%, 6% and 9%. Wales would see reductions of 1.5%, 5.5% and 9.5%.

I don't think we will be able to afford our own regeneration - do you?

And here goes my self imposed sabbatical from this thread.
Yet again Manchester, as regular as clockwork, you are quoting predictions and forecasts.
Just remind me please what happened to these "so called experts" predictions and forecasts prior to us voting to Leave ?
I can't for the life of me remember what was being preached about what would happen if we opted to Leave.
I think it goes along the lines of "Financial Armageddon, Financial Abyss and Doom and Gloom" for all of eternity.
18 months down the line and these promises have not been kept.
To say I am disappointed is an understatement.

[Manchester Saddler]

Didn’t know India were in the EU?
You’ll be spouting on about US falling behind Brazil, Indonesia and Nigeria in your next post?

India are the 7th biggest economy in the world - just behind England.

Do keep up.

:D :wink:

[Wragbyred]

Actually Manchester I do keep up, more than you will ever know

According to a report from 3 years ago, Brazil, Indonesia & Nigeria will be in the top 10 economies of the world by 2030
But then again that’s only a “forecast”
Would that be down to Brexit?