Brexit Breakfast

[Wragbyred]

What do you think is going to happen then, Wragbyred?

Do you think prices will fall? Doubt it very much

Will we all be better off? Maybe, who knows either way for certain?

If so, why do you think that?

[Cully]

Losing money???
Explain how

Ask your missus what's happening to the supermarket prices since the vote.

I think you'll find that's called inflation, happens every year you know :roll:

And will rise and rise after Brexit.

It's amazing how Brexiteers simply cannot or simply refuse to see how much this is all going to cost us!

Total denial!!

You haven't got a clue have you Manchester? All I ever read from you on this thread is unsubstantiated crap and speculation. I particularily enjoyed the comic rubbish you posted giving your reasons for being a remainer, most of which were guesses, a comprehensive survey of the 'rest of the world' and the rest were err...............guesses. Setting yourself up as a self proclaimed 'expert' on all things Brexit because you want to breeze through customs on your way to Benidorm by being part of a Federal Europe doesn't cut it with the rest of us who voted out.
I'm looking forward to the future like most people and not wishing for a disaster which you appear to crave.

:D

[chunkster]

I haven't come down here for a malling, just to have a gloat at cully's well presented post :mrgreen:

[Exile]

I haven't come down here for a malling, just to have a gloat at cully's well presented post :mrgreen:

He didn't credit the Daily Mail, which is a bit rude. :wink:

[Wragbyred]

Losing money???
Explain how

Ask your missus what's happening to the supermarket prices since the vote.

I think you'll find that's called inflation, happens every year you know :roll:

And will rise and rise after Brexit.

It's amazing how Brexiteers simply cannot or simply refuse to see how much this is all going to cost us!

Total denial!!

You haven't got a clue have you Manchester? All I ever read from you on this thread is unsubstantiated crap and speculation. I particularily enjoyed the comic rubbish you posted giving your reasons for being a remainer, most of which were guesses, a comprehensive survey of the 'rest of the world' and the rest were err...............guesses. Setting yourself up as a self proclaimed 'expert' on all things Brexit because you want to breeze through customs on your way to Benidorm by being part of a Federal Europe doesn't cut it with the MAJORITYof us who voted out.
I'm looking forward to the future like most people and not wishing for a disaster which you appear to crave.

:D

Corrected that for you Cully!!

[Manchester Saddler]

What do you think is going to happen then, Wragbyred?

Do you think prices will fall? Doubt it very much

Will we all be better off? Maybe, who knows either way for certain?

If so, why do you think that?

A typical Brexiteer response if you don't mind me saying so.

The evidence suggests that we will be much worse off. Look at the trends. Listen to the experts.

[Manchester Saddler]

Losing money???
Explain how

Ask your missus what's happening to the supermarket prices since the vote.

I think you'll find that's called inflation, happens every year you know :roll:

And will rise and rise after Brexit.

It's amazing how Brexiteers simply cannot or simply refuse to see how much this is all going to cost us!

Total denial!!

You haven't got a clue have you Manchester? All I ever read from you on this thread is unsubstantiated crap and speculation. I particularily enjoyed the comic rubbish you posted giving your reasons for being a remainer, most of which were guesses, a comprehensive survey of the 'rest of the world' and the rest were err...............guesses. Setting yourself up as a self proclaimed 'expert' on all things Brexit because you want to breeze through customs on your way to Benidorm by being part of a Federal Europe doesn't cut it with the rest of us who voted out.
I'm looking forward to the future like most people and not wishing for a disaster which you appear to crave.

:D

A typical Cully response, if you don't mind me saying so. All I ever read from you is - er - er - puerile nonsense with absolutely no substance whatsoever. Before you claim otherwise, where is the response to my question about why Brexit is so great?

Your silence speaks volumes.

My "guesses" are based on the views of experts (which you are clearly not). I don't claim to be an expert - but I read stuff from both sides of the argument. I presume that all you read are the musings of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

But what amazes me most about you, Cully, is that you are so happy to have a pop - yet don't actually say anything else.

"You're wrong and clueless" you say with an impish grin - but give absolutely no reasons why! No pro-Brexit arguments at all.

Like I have said to you in reply to the odd previous post on this thread - your posts on this subject aren't worth the time it takes to read them because you simply say nothing constructive or of substance. Come to think of it, you hardly everdo, if I'm honest.

Pity that because you can actually be funny.

Shame about your contributions to this thread!

:mrgreen:

[Manchester Saddler]

I haven't come down here for a malling, just to have a gloat at cully's well presented post :mrgreen:

Well presented?

:lol:

You're very easily pleased, aren't you Chunkster?

Still waiting for anything pro-Brexit from you...

:D :mrgreen:

[Cowshed]

I haven't come down here for a malling, just to have a gloat at cully's well presented post :mrgreen:

He didn't credit the Daily Mail, which is a bit rude. :wink:

I would have loved to see Richard Brandon's face when told one of his minnions had banned the Daily Mail on the trains.

Given it has the largest readership at something like 23 million a month that's a large number to upset

Promptly reinstated

[chunkster]

I haven't come down here for a malling, just to have a gloat at cully's well presented post :mrgreen:

Well presented?

:lol:

You're very easily pleased, aren't you Chunkster?

Still waiting for anything pro-Brexit from you...

:D :mrgreen:

:lol: i like anything that goes against your doom and gloom prophecies, just to try and prove that the MAJORITY of the great british population was wrong :mrgreen:. but i may have a way out for you, i think(hope) that scotland will have another referendum, and if they vote for independence i think that they will get it, seeing as they voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU, so you could apply for a Scottish passport :D and you could live in the utopian capital of mc'glasgow and become known on here as mc'manchester :mrgreen:

[reedswood sadler]

[quote="Manchester Saddler"


. At least with Brexit it boils down to two opinions - 'You don't know what you're doing' vs 'You lost. Suck it up'. :mrgreen:

11 pages of this thread summed up in a few words

[Manchester Saddler]

I haven't come down here for a malling, just to have a gloat at cully's well presented post :mrgreen:

Well presented?

:lol:

You're very easily pleased, aren't you Chunkster?

Still waiting for anything pro-Brexit from you...

:D :mrgreen:

:lol: i like anything that goes against your doom and gloom prophecies, just to try and prove that the MAJORITY of the great british population was wrong :mrgreen:. but i may have a way out for you, i think(hope) that scotland will have another referendum, and if they vote for independence i think that they will get it, seeing as they voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU, so you could apply for a Scottish passport :D and you could live in the utopian capital of mc'glasgow and become known on here as mc'manchester :mrgreen:

Not much of a majority, though, was it, Chunkster? And if you read around a bit you'll find that more and more people are switching sides now that the facts are coming through the original Brexiteers lies.

Also, and this is important, there is nothing to contradict the economic trends we have seen since the referendum result, the experts haven't changed their minds (in fact they are more adamant than ever).

It seems that Brexiteers are clinging on to the current economic downturn as being "due to Brexit uncertainty" and "we'll get through this because we're British with our stiff upper lip!"

The "certainty" that we will be alright relies on blind optimism, ignoring all the signs and clinging onto hope.

It's baseless, Chunkster!

If I am wrong please please tell me why. What proof have you, Cully or ANY Brexiteer got that we will be fine and that we will be more prosperous after Brexit?

It's beyond a joke that none of you can answer - other than your rather silly suggestion that I move to Glasgow.

:D

[Manchester Saddler]

[quote="Manchester Saddler"


. At least with Brexit it boils down to two opinions - 'You don't know what you're doing' vs 'You lost. Suck it up'. :mrgreen:

11 pages of this thread summed up in a few words

Nope! The summing up of this thread is:.

Brexit is a huge mistake and Brexiteers can't tell Remainers why it is isn't.

:mrgreen:

[Manchester Saddler]

I haven't come down here for a malling, just to have a gloat at cully's well presented post :mrgreen:

He didn't credit the Daily Mail, which is a bit rude. :wink:

I would have loved to see Richard Brandon's face when told one of his minnions had banned the Daily Mail on the trains.

Given it has the largest readership at something like 23 million a month that's a large number to upset

Promptly reinstated

Richard Brandon? :? :D :wink:

I reckon people have already bought their papers at Smiths by the time they jump on the train anyway.

:D :wink:

[swampysaddler]

I haven't come down here for a malling, just to have a gloat at cully's well presented post :mrgreen:

He didn't credit the Daily Mail, which is a bit rude. :wink:

I would have loved to see Richard Brandon's face when told one of his minnions had banned the Daily Mail on the trains.

Given it has the largest readership at something like 23 million a month that's a large number to upset

Promptly reinstated

Richard Brandon? :? :D :wink:

I reckon people have already bought their papers at Smiths by the time they jump on the train anyway.

:D :wink:

Yep. A copy of the Daily Sport :mrgreen:

[Wragbyred]

What do you think is going to happen then, Wragbyred?

Do you think prices will fall? Doubt it very much

Will we all be better off? Maybe, who knows either way for certain?

If so, why do you think that?

A typical Brexiteer response if you don't mind me saying so.

The evidence suggests that we will be much worse off. Look at the trends. Listen to the experts.

I don't mind at all Manc, everyone has their own views, I'll stick to mine if you don't mind?
I don't tend to listens to "experts", they rarely are correct are they? What happened to the economic disaster after June 2016? And, after the biggest growth in house prices in a generation, never saw the crash of 2009 did they?
Oh, and what happened to that Tory landslide we were to have last year?

[chestersaddler]

I remember Cheesebag's comment on the original thread "They wont let us leave" and thought " That's about right". And so it is proving.

We may end up out of the EU but will not get the Brexit that the idealogogues wish for. The transition will take years and life will have moved on. Norway at best. The establishment, both EU and UK want to keep things as they are and are not going to let a misjudged plebiscite referendum scupper it.

There is no need to get all bent out of shape over this manc - wait and see.

[SaigonSaddler]

I remember Cheesebag's comment on the original thread "They wont let us leave" and thought " That's about right". And so it is proving.

We may end up out of the EU but will not get the Brexit that the idealogogues wish for. The transition will take years and life will have moved on. Norway at best. The establishment, both EU and UK want to keep things as they are and are not going to let a misjudged plebiscite referendum scupper it.

There is no need to get all bent out of shape over this manc - wait and see.

I agree with the overall conclusion, but if you imagine that the EU are desperate to keep us then I'd invite you to step into 21st century, and out of the 19th. The various citizens from 14 countries I spoke to recently couldn't give a monkeys. Britain won't the crash their economy because any impact is spread out amongst the remaining members. We'll have the full burden of any negative issues on our own shoulders. Naturally, there are specific areas and locations - Benidorm gets raised a lot, and I've no doubt that some people there would prefer us to stay. But these are insignificant drops in the ocean.

There is a strong force to remain, there always was, and it's one that comes from the British people. The 'you lost, it's over' argument is shredded when the vote was about 50 / 50, so the debate was always going to continue regardless.

In terms of the damage - prices have already risen as exports have become more expensive, so any arguments about whether it will or won't cost more are lagging behind reality. But it's the long term economic consequences that will really bite. It's no surprise that people are putting these off for a long as possible.

And no wonder that Farage wants another vote. Who'd want to be remembered as the architect of the biggest own goal since Scotland's Darian adventure?

I don't know what you voted for specifically, or what made the difference, but there's a chance it was a fabrication (NHS 350), impossible to attain (free trade with immigration control), utterly banal (weights, measures and blue passports) or downright fantasy (trade boon with Narnia et al).

Either way, more people are realising the negative consequences that are the only thing that leaving has provided to date.

[chestersaddler]

Saigon

Maybe the citizens of other countries do not give a monkeys, but the EU establishment does and so do many of the EU member country governments.. A strong UK in a strong EU has benefits for all of us in my view.

My avatar might give you a clue which way I voted btw. :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

Saigon

Maybe the citizens of other countries do not give a monkeys, but the EU establishment does and so do many of the EU member country governments.. A strong UK in a strong EU has benefits for all of us in my view.

My avatar might give you a clue which way I voted btw. :wink:

:wink:

Yes, the response was general. I don't think the EU governments care that much either. Germany and France have always been the mainstays. I hear some of the statements from Europe, but I think it's born more out of pity and disappointment than a sheer desperation for us to stay, however much certain elements need for us to be mOssive in the world again.

We will be missed, because we have always offered a cool pragmatism. I think this will come to the fore again, and when the critical decisions are made, this will win through. There will be a consistent move back to roughly where we are at present - in terms of trade, immigration and everything else. We'll leave in name, and have to suffer the pain, but the end result will be hardly any change at all.

[Manchester Saddler]

What do you think is going to happen then, Wragbyred?

Do you think prices will fall? Doubt it very much

Will we all be better off? Maybe, who knows either way for certain?

If so, why do you think that?

A typical Brexiteer response if you don't mind me saying so.

The evidence suggests that we will be much worse off. Look at the trends. Listen to the experts.

I don't mind at all Manc, everyone has their own views, I'll stick to mine if you don't mind?
I don't tend to listens to "experts", they rarely are correct are they? What happened to the economic disaster after June 2016? And, after the biggest growth in house prices in a generation, never saw the crash of 2009 did they?
Oh, and what happened to that Tory landslide we were to have last year?

Okay then - tell me why you voted Brexit and why it is such a good thing for the UK. It's a simple question that no Brexiteer is willing to answer. If yo are so sure then answer should be so easy.

[Manchester Saddler]

I remember Cheesebag's comment on the original thread "They wont let us leave" and thought " That's about right". And so it is proving.

We may end up out of the EU but will not get the Brexit that the idealogogues wish for. The transition will take years and life will have moved on. Norway at best. The establishment, both EU and UK want to keep things as they are and are not going to let a misjudged plebiscite referendum scupper it.

There is no need to get all bent out of shape over this manc - wait and see.

Sorry - it's too late. I am totally bent out of shape over this. :D

Believe it or not I have actually calmed down a tiny bit since June 2016 but the nonsense that is surrounding Brexit keeps winding me right up again.

This is the future of our country and not one Brexiteer can answer my question. Not one of them.

How on earth am I supposed to "get over it" when I am watching Brexit unfold with such incompetence and not one person can tell me how or why we will benefit.

Sure there are enough people to say "you are wrong" but not one of them can tell me why.

Take a look at posts by Cully, Pinnacle, Saddlerken and others on this thread. It's infuriating!

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

This is the future of our country and not one Brexiteer can answer my question. Not one of them.

Pinnacle humiliated you remainers with his 10 reasons have you forgot.

[Cowshed]

Saigon

Maybe the citizens of other countries do not give a monkeys, but the EU establishment does and so do many of the EU member country governments.. A strong UK in a strong EU has benefits for all of us in my view.

My avatar might give you a clue which way I voted btw. :wink:

:wink:

Yes, the response was general. I don't think the EU governments care that much either. Germany and France have always been the mainstays. I hear some of the statements from Europe, but I think it's born more out of pity and disappointment than a sheer desperation for us to stay, however much certain elements need for us to be mOssive in the world again.

We will be missed, because we have always offered a cool pragmatism. I think this will come to the fore again, and when the critical decisions are made, this will win through. There will be a consistent move back to roughly where we are at present - in terms of trade, immigration and everything else. We'll leave in name, and have to suffer the pain, but the end result will be hardly any change at all.

Last line says it all really - the end result will be hardly any change at all- oh except for the small matter of membership fees reducing

In terms of pain this is relative- Syrians are in pain- we are the 6th richest nation on the planet and no one has suggested as far as I know that we are even going to drop out the top 10. Where does pain start 20th 30th??

[Cowshed]

Saigon

Maybe the citizens of other countries do not give a monkeys, but the EU establishment does and so do many of the EU member country governments.. A strong UK in a strong EU has benefits for all of us in my view.

My avatar might give you a clue which way I voted btw. :wink:

There can still be a strong uk and a strong eu in my view

As for the Uk establishment brexit is the gift that is going to keep on giving - for the next 20 years politicians can pin any negative news on brexit and yet it was the people that wanted it not the politicians -believe me they will pass this through quickly


As for the Eu establishment apparently they don't care so we won't hear a peep from them

Time for a new avatar soon

[Manchester Saddler]

This is the future of our country and not one Brexiteer can answer my question. Not one of them.

Pinnacle humiliated you remainers with his 10 reasons have you forgot.

Clearly you didn't read my response or anybody else's for that matter.

:roll:

[SaigonSaddler]

This is the future of our country and not one Brexiteer can answer my question. Not one of them.

Pinnacle humiliated you remainers with his 10 reasons have you forgot.

Clearly you didn't read my response or anybody else's for that matter.

:roll:

Different planet. Humiliated though ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Manchester Saddler]

:lol:

I know - I LOVED the use of the word "humiliated".

The funny thing is, Pinnacle didn't even think of the reasons himself - and it's only the opinion of one bloke.

Kudos to Pinnacle for posting it though. At least he tried.

:D

[Wragbyred]

What do you think is going to happen then, Wragbyred?

Do you think prices will fall? Doubt it very much

Will we all be better off? Maybe, who knows either way for certain?

If so, why do you think that?

A typical Brexiteer response if you don't mind me saying so.

The evidence suggests that we will be much worse off. Look at the trends. Listen to the experts.

I don't mind at all Manc, everyone has their own views, I'll stick to mine if you don't mind?
I don't tend to listens to "experts", they rarely are correct are they? What happened to the economic disaster after June 2016? And, after the biggest growth in house prices in a generation, never saw the crash of 2009 did they?
Oh, and what happened to that Tory landslide we were to have last year?

Okay then - tell me why you voted Brexit and why it is such a good thing for the UK. It's a simple question that no Brexiteer is willing to answer. If yo are so sure then answer should be so easy.

The reason I voted leave?
It just seemed right to me, on a personal level
The same reason you voted to stay, you're angry because it's affected where you live when you retire, i can see that.

Now answer my replies about your "experts", surely you can agree that "they" are never always correct?

[chunkster]

Agree with that wragbyred :wink: thank god the only thing we have in common with the 3 amigos is the saddlers :mrgreen: as an adage take a look at this

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/p ... er-128740/