2017 General Election Thread

[SaigonSaddler]

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I meant Corbyn talking to Thatcher during The Troubles (the other side). Not Thatcher doing what the job of Prime Minister.
You must stop reading the Sun by the way. Tony Blair's war in Iraq hasn't helped much has it?

It's sheer hypocrisy though Ken.

Your insinuation is that Corbyn and Adams practically colluded in planning attacks on Britain, same as The Sun with their 'blood on his hands' gibberish.
Then you made the embarrassing comparison with Thatcher as some kind of paragon of virtue. :oops: :oops: :oops:

It's easy to dismantle that illusion, because Thatcher fell over herself to schmooze with some of the most odious individuals of the time, including the hideous regimes of Chile and Apartheid. That's not ok.

Corbyn has been consistent in his rejection of violence, characterised by his insistence that the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria were wrong.
Guess who is on right side of history? :idea:

[SaigonSaddler]

Some lefty idiot has just been suspended for accusing our "right wing" covernment for causing the Manchester bombing just so that they can secure power for another 5 years :| but don't worry they have the strong line and suspended him :|

Think Nuttall made the accusation first, the one you've decided to vote for! :D

[SaigonSaddler]

If anyone had any doubt about the unsuitability of ... preferring to vote on tribal lines.

Just looked at a map Cully, and yep, I'm currently closer to both Westminster and the centre of England, which apparently makes my opinion more valid than yours. I didn't read your input as it was too long and didn't include many pictures or graphs.

I'm sure it was probably good though! :wink:

[Andy_Petterson]

If anyone had any doubt about the unsuitability of Jeremy Corbyn to fill any position of power or influence then look no further than his recent comments coming so soon after the Manchester bombing, such crass and opportunist comments do no good and give credence to the savages who carry out such acts. His comments using the attack on innocent people in Manchester to criticise foreign policy decisions that may or not have been made, when we are currently dealing with the aftermath of this latest atrocity show that he is incapable of making any judgement and further it highlights his attitude towards terrorists be they home grown or nation sponsored.
A quick glance a the other thread only confirms how little people understand when appointing leaders of democracies instead preferring to vote on tribal lines.

Thanks for appointing yourself as guardian of what can and can't be said in the light of terrorist atrocities, personally I'm quite keen to understand the possible reasons behind what appears at first view as a mad inexplicable act as this may help us prevent future attacks :idea:

[derbysaddler]

If anyone had any doubt about the unsuitability of ... preferring to vote on tribal lines.

Just looked at a map Cully, and yep, I'm currently closer to both Westminster and the centre of England, which apparently makes my opinion more valid than yours. I didn't read your input as it was too long and didn't include many pictures or graphs.

I'm sure it was probably good though! :wink:

Ran this conversation through my new Strong and stable filtering software, version6. The results are very mixed.

it calculated 26% benefits cheats, 6% Cotswold property investment scheme, 12% back to the 70's, 32% Corbyn ate my hamster, only 4% for red telephone boxes and then it crashed when the next variable concerning the importance of Teresa May's shoes.

concerning.

[SaigonSaddler]

If anyone had any doubt about the unsuitability of ... preferring to vote on tribal lines.

Just looked at a map Cully, and yep, I'm currently closer to both Westminster and the centre of England, which apparently makes my opinion more valid than yours. I didn't read your input as it was too long and didn't include many pictures or graphs.

I'm sure it was probably good though! :wink:

Ran this conversation through my new Strong and stable filtering software, version6. The results are very mixed.

it calculated 26% benefits cheats, 6% Cotswold property investment scheme, 12% back to the 70's, 32% Corbyn ate my hamster, only 4% for red telephone boxes and then it crashed when the next variable concerning the importance of Teresa May's shoes.

concerning.

At least Walsallone now has a challenger for the ambitious 'he who speaks for the majority' claim.

:D :wink:

[chunkster]

Some lefty idiot has just been suspended for accusing our "right wing" covernment for causing the Manchester bombing just so that they can secure power for another 5 years :| but don't worry they have the strong line and suspended him :|

Think Nuttall made the accusation first, the one you've decided to vote for! :D

well I did say he was a prick :mrgreen:

[Walsallone]

Well on BREXIT I clearly speak for the majority....some may remember we had a referendum!! As for CORBYN he just has to side with the anti British brigade. To pretend he was acting as a peacemaker over NI is a gross distortion and today he is at it again by becoming an advocate for Islamist terrorists. He just cannot admit that the Country he seeks to lead is ever right.Islamists hate our way of life, our democracy, our christian heritage and especially the fact that women in the West have rights too but now the man who wants to be PM seeks to portray their acts of depravity as a response to our Foreign policy.Utter and complete b*******

[derbysaddler]

Jeremy Osama Corbyn said:


"An informed understanding of the causes of terrorism is an essential part of an effective response that will protect the security of our people, that fights rather than fuels terrorism.
"many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed out the connections between wars that we have been involved in, or supported, or fought, in other countries and terrorism here at home".
But he added: "That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children.
"Those terrorists will forever be reviled and implacably held to account for their actions.
"The blame is with the terrorists, but if we are to protect our people we must be honest about what threatens our security."

Yep, clear as day that he has aligned himself with ISIS, Al Qaeda and Goldfinger there.

Many of the recent wars in the middle east saw the overthrow of dictators and the following power vacuum has allowed these medieval twerp to sprout and spread their disease further out still. They certainly didn't just appear from a magic Jihadi lamp.

[moaning saddler]

Well on BREXIT I clearly speak for the majority....some may remember we had a referendum!! As for CORBYN he just has to side with the anti British brigade. To pretend he was acting as a peacemaker over NI is a gross distortion and today he is at it again by becoming an advocate for Islamist terrorists. He just cannot admit that the Country he seeks to lead is ever right.Islamists hate our way of life, our democracy, our christian heritage and especially the fact that women in the West have rights too but now the man who wants to be PM seeks to portray their acts of depravity as a response to our Foreign policy.Utter and complete b*******

With derbysaddler on this - if you actually make an effort to listen to or read what Corbyn actually said then it's not quite the "utter and complete bollox" that fits in with your lazy preconceptions.

"Those causes certainly cannot be reduced to foreign policy decisions alone. Over the past fifteen years or so, a sub-culture of often suicidal violence has developed amongst a tiny minority of, mainly young, men, falsely drawing authority from Islamic beliefs and often nurtured in a prison system in urgent need of resources and reform. And no rationale based on the actions of any government can remotely excuse, or even adequately explain, outrages like this week’s massacre. But we must be brave enough to admit the war on terror is simply not working. We need a smarter way to reduce the threat from countries that nurture terrorists and generate terrorism."

I'm no fan of Corbyn but he has certainly fought a far better campaign to date than May.
It will be interesting to see how he fares against Brillo tonight.

[Cowshed]

Corbyn is a danger for one reason him not backing of Trident.

More dimwit media mistruths? Pretty unambiguous.

Labour supports the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent.

http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/mani ... al-britain

When you have served your Country and had to go to shiteholes like Newry, Omagh (just after the bomb had gone off that was planted by Corbyn's cronies), Drummad, Eniskillen then I will take your opinion seriously until then keep living in your little hide hole and believing a terrorist loving parasite is best for the country.
What is your view on "Soldiers on the street" ?

Here we go. Are you going to go on about your medals again and how this makes your opinion somehow much more valuable than anyone else's?
It doesn't work like that. You elected to serve in the armed forces, and you got paid for it. Nobody owes you anything, and you don't get to speak down at people because that wasn't what they did with their lives.

And I detect your irrepressible need to get personal again. Play the issue and not the person. In light of which, I assume Corbyn is now a "danger to the country" due to him being a vegetarian and wearing a funny jacket (or something) because your massive point about trident turned out to be bollocks.

Wow did you actually say"and you got paid for it" "nobody owes you anything"

So if I'm asked to buy a poppy maybe I should refuse because our forces get paid for it and nobody owes them anything

[swampysaddler]

And yet again he refuses to back Trident.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40065876

Come on Saigon back him up now !
This man, if you can call him that, is a danger to this country.

[Walsallone]

He also thinks he can nationalise the water industry for nothing!!! His grasp of economics is zero!!! Also if he is such a great bloke how is it that the majority of Labour MPs find him to unacceptable!

[SaigonSaddler]

Corbyn is a danger for one reason him not backing of Trident.

More dimwit media mistruths? Pretty unambiguous.

Labour supports the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent.

http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/mani ... al-britain

When you have served your Country and had to go to shiteholes like Newry, Omagh (just after the bomb had gone off that was planted by Corbyn's cronies), Drummad, Eniskillen then I will take your opinion seriously until then keep living in your little hide hole and believing a terrorist loving parasite is best for the country.
What is your view on "Soldiers on the street" ?

Here we go. Are you going to go on about your medals again and how this makes your opinion somehow much more valuable than anyone else's?
It doesn't work like that. You elected to serve in the armed forces, and you got paid for it. Nobody owes you anything, and you don't get to speak down at people because that wasn't what they did with their lives.

And I detect your irrepressible need to get personal again. Play the issue and not the person. In light of which, I assume Corbyn is now a "danger to the country" due to him being a vegetarian and wearing a funny jacket (or something) because your massive point about trident turned out to be bollocks.

Wow did you actually say"and you got paid for it" "nobody owes you anything"

So if I'm asked to buy a poppy maybe I should refuse because our forces get paid for it and nobody owes them anything

In the context of having his opinion weighed greater than anyone else's as was his self-indulgent claim, yes, he's not owed a damn thing.

In the context of serving the country and putting himself in danger, he and everyone else who has is warranted everyone's respect and admiration.

Nice try though. :wink:

[Ancient Moaner]

Well on BREXIT I clearly speak for the majority....some may remember we had a referendum!! As for CORBYN he just has to side with the anti British brigade. To pretend he was acting as a peacemaker over NI is a gross distortion and today he is at it again by becoming an advocate for Islamist terrorists. He just cannot admit that the Country he seeks to lead is ever right.Islamists hate our way of life, our democracy, our christian heritage and especially the fact that women in the West have rights too but now the man who wants to be PM seeks to portray their acts of depravity as a response to our Foreign policy.Utter and complete b*******

You are the man! I WILL seek you out and not only buy you a pint, but admit that you were right all along in every matter we have ever 'discussed'! :D :D Just watched the embarrassment of his interview tonight, and, it would appear, we shouldn't bomb the murderous scumbags, but talk to ISIS over tea and crumpets!
As Swampy has just said, the though of this guy in charge of the country is quite dangerous.

[SaigonSaddler]

Well on BREXIT I clearly speak for the majority....some may remember we had a referendum!! As for CORBYN he just has to side with the anti British brigade. To pretend he was acting as a peacemaker over NI is a gross distortion and today he is at it again by becoming an advocate for Islamist terrorists. He just cannot admit that the Country he seeks to lead is ever right.Islamists hate our way of life, our democracy, our christian heritage and especially the fact that women in the West have rights too but now the man who wants to be PM seeks to portray their acts of depravity as a response to our Foreign policy.Utter and complete b*******

You are the man! I WILL seek you out and not only buy you a pint, but admit that you were right all along in every matter we have ever 'discussed'! :D :D Just watched the embarrassment of his interview tonight, and, it would appear, we shouldn't bomb the murderous scumbags, but talk to ISIS over tea and crumpets!
As Swampy has just said, the though of this guy in charge of the country is quite dangerous.

Cos bombing has worked out so well thus far?

:?:

[Ancient Moaner]

Well on BREXIT I clearly speak for the majority....some may remember we had a referendum!! As for CORBYN he just has to side with the anti British brigade. To pretend he was acting as a peacemaker over NI is a gross distortion and today he is at it again by becoming an advocate for Islamist terrorists. He just cannot admit that the Country he seeks to lead is ever right.Islamists hate our way of life, our democracy, our christian heritage and especially the fact that women in the West have rights too but now the man who wants to be PM seeks to portray their acts of depravity as a response to our Foreign policy.Utter and complete b*******

You are the man! I WILL seek you out and not only buy you a pint, but admit that you were right all along in every matter we have ever 'discussed'! :D :D Just watched the embarrassment of his interview tonight, and, it would appear, we shouldn't bomb the murderous scumbags, but talk to ISIS over tea and crumpets!
As Swampy has just said, the though of this guy in charge of the country is quite dangerous.

Cos bombing has worked out so well thus far?

It's certainly got rid of a few of the murderous scumbags, so what use do you think humanity is gaining from having these useless losers on our planet? Perhaps throwing gays off high buildings, killing their own family members for not following Sharia law, public executions for being in possession of a mobile phone? The list of their use on the planet is endless. What do you suggest? Are you with the 'talk to them over tea and crumpets' brigade perhaps?
I am concerned that you can produce a defence for this mob of hate?

:?:

[SaigonSaddler]

Cos bombing has worked out so well thus far?

It's certainly got rid of a few of the murderous scumbags, so what use do you think humanity is gaining from having these useless losers on our planet? Perhaps throwing gays off high buildings, killing their own family members for not following Sharia law, public executions for being in possession of a mobile phone? The list of their use on the planet is endless. What do you suggest? Are you with the 'talk to them over tea and crumpets' brigade perhaps?
I am concerned that you can produce a defence for this mob of hate?

I agree, they are losers, but there has to be a pragmatic approach, unless the object is to kill them all.

How would you respond if while minding your own business your family was killed by a American or British bomb? There needs to be dialogue at some point, it's safe to say. Some people get to this reality quicker than others, but that has been the resolution of every conflict.

[swampysaddler]

So Corbyn didn't answer a single question.
No answer to IRA
No answer to defence
No answer to fiscal policy
No answer to the question of Nato
No answer to immigration
Actually has no answers
And you want to hand the keys of the country to this lunatic

[swampysaddler]

In context. You really are a prick.
Try serving in shitholes that we go to.
But no we are doing so that ladyboy lovers like yourself can carry on.
Go and suck up to Corbyn again, if you try hard enough you could have his lovechild.

[SaigonSaddler]

In context. You really are a prick.
Try serving in shitholes that we go to.
But no we are doing so that ladyboy lovers like yourself can carry on.
Go and suck up to Corbyn again, if you try hard enough you could have his lovechild.

Your life, your choice.
Ladyboys again ... perhaps you should have gone into the navy if that was your thing (allegedly), but apparently you just go on and on about them if you refuel choppers.

[Cowshed]

Cos bombing has worked out so well thus far?

It's certainly got rid of a few of the murderous scumbags, so what use do you think humanity is gaining from having these useless losers on our planet? Perhaps throwing gays off high buildings, killing their own family members for not following Sharia law, public executions for being in possession of a mobile phone? The list of their use on the planet is endless. What do you suggest? Are you with the 'talk to them over tea and crumpets' brigade perhaps?
I am concerned that you can produce a defence for this mob of hate?

I agree, they are losers, but there has to be a pragmatic approach, unless the object is to kill them all.

How would you respond if while minding your own business your family was killed by a American or British bomb? There needs to be dialogue at some point, it's safe to say. Some people get to this reality quicker than others, but that has been the resolution of every conflict.

dialogue with whom exactly
there is no identified enemy
what country
who is the leader
how do you get round to all the lone losers
what exactly is their gripe
what is their aim and how do we negotiate do we agree to change our culture way of life
my son was born in 1999 and one of his earliest memories is 9/11 he has known no other way of life than under terrorist threat and he never expects any part of his life to be without it. there is no solution
so if you accept it as part of life the best you can hope for is to try to be kept protected
who do you think will provide better protection
got example will uncontrolled immigration help or hinder
surely there is the possibility it would hinder
so it is reasonable to be clear about your intentions on immigration Theresa may has been very clear
why wont corbyn be clear on immigration it is simple enough to answer

[Walsallone]

Blimey AM we agree on something :D ...I knew all along that there was a decent man there hence our friendly exchanges :D I find it sad that one of our major political parties is led by such a man as Corbyn. Mostof his MPs are in despair and his performance tonight shows he is completely unfit for office.

[SaigonSaddler]

Blimey AM we agree on something :D ...I knew all along that there was a decent man there hence our friendly exchanges :D I find it sad that one of our major political parties is led by such a man as Corbyn. Mostof his MPs are in despair and his performance tonight shows he is completely unfit for office.

Closing the gap on the self-servatives though from -24 to -5, so either he's doing something right, or people are seeing through the weak and wobblies. According to Newsnight, it's the tories in something of a meltdown over the last 10 days. That U-turn hasn't done May any favours at all. One of these is going to be leading the country. :|

[saddla]

What Corbyn is offering is known by the Americans as pork barrel politics. Offer the people everything they want and tell them someone else will pay for it. Little or no chance of getting those "others" companies or individuals to pay for anything. They have the highest paid lawyers and financial experts telling them how to not pay anything. Legally of course. It's why people like Lewis Hamilton have their official residence in Switzerland.

[SaigonSaddler]

dialogue with whom exactly - a moveable feast. The leaders of muslim countries, the leaders of some of the more amenable 'groups', in Britain, muslims of all groups
there is no identified enemy - so why bomb people and create more angry, anonymous miscreants?
what country - all countries, some leaders are problematic - Syria with Assad, so you engage with the opposition
who is the leader - there is no 'leader' in islam, there are people who can exert influence on those vulnerable to exploitation
how do you get round to all the lone losers - you can't, you just have to do the best you can
what exactly is their gripe - poor education, poor prospects, poor choices, a dogmatic religion and a target (us) that keeps interfering militarily, Israel stealing land and mistreating the Palestinians
what is their aim and how do we negotiate do we agree to change our culture way of life - we shouldn't change our way of life, just stop kicking ant nests
my son was born in 1999 and one of his earliest memories is 9/11 he has known no other way of life than under terrorist threat and he never expects any part of his life to be without it. there is no solution - there is always eventually a solution and it always comes through dialogue, the alternative is to liquidate entire groups of people, not ok.
so if you accept it as part of life the best you can hope for is to try to be kept protected - it is part of life at the moment, but you have to be proactive in dealing with it, this doesn't include vilifying an entire religion
who do you think will provide better protection - anyone who doesn't get involved in foreign wars without a clear aim and that doesn't benefit the UK, precisely as related in the Labour manifesto
got example will uncontrolled immigration help or hinder - I don't think anyone favours this
so it is reasonable to be clear about your intentions on immigration Theresa may has been very clear - she's failed in every single immigration target she's set out. FAIL
why wont corbyn be clear on immigration it is simple enough to answer - has anyone ever been clear on this allegedly simple issue. Bear in mind that many terrorists are born in the target country.

[Walsallone]

You really are rather naive SAIGON SADDLER. We are dealing here with a death cult which is not interested in talking to anyone. They hate christians and they hate our freedoms. They don't want talks or negotiations!! I have some Muslim friends and you ought to meet them and see what they say about these people. They have killed many more muslims than we have simply because they do not believe In their warped and twisted definition of what it means to be a follower of the prophet.
This week they killed a number of Egyptian christians when they attacked a bus carrying them to a place of pilgrimage. The Egyptian government has responded by bombing their bases in Libya....if CORBYN was the leader of Egypt that would not have happened! The fact is that this lot need wiping out or else we are in for a struggle that will last for generations.

[SaigonSaddler]

You really are rather naive SAIGON SADDLER. We are dealing here with a death cult which is not interested in talking to anyone. They hate christians and they hate our freedoms. They don't want talks or negotiations!! I have some Muslim friends and you ought to meet them and see what they say about these people. They have killed many more muslims than we have simply because they do not believe In their warped and twisted definition of what it means to be a follower of the prophet.
This week they killed a number of Egyptian christians when they attacked a bus carrying them to a place of pilgrimage. The Egyptian government has responded by bombing their bases in Libya....if CORBYN was the leader of Egypt that would not have happened! The fact is that this lot need wiping out or else we are in for a struggle that will last for generations.

Naïve? LOL

You're the person espousing 'wiping out' an entire group of people that you admit you can't pin down and don't really know who they are.

While 'they' may not be interested in talking directly with us, we have the means to engage with people who will have some influence.
But you favour 'wiping out'? More bombing I suspect. Where? Who exactly? Most attacks are undertaken by nationals living in their own country.

Name a conflict that wasn't finally brought to an end by negotiation or the entire annihilation of the enemy. Even though it's totally unrealistic you are really approve of the latter? The women and kids too? With your attitude, they win.

[Walsallone]

As I said before ...naive. They don't want to negotiate...they regard themselves as GODS chosen and can do no wrong. There are no intermediaries so all this talk of negotiation is pie in the sky!!

[SaigonSaddler]

As I said before ...naive. They don't want to negotiate...they regard themselves as GODS chosen and can do no wrong. There are no intermediaries so all this talk of negotiation is pie in the sky!!

You're utterly deluded. You don't even know how Islam functions.

Can you walk us through how bombing is going to solve the problem? Please avoid simplistic computer game analogies.
Apparently I'm naïve so it should be easy.