2017 General Election Thread

[SaigonSaddler]

It's all a bit boring.

Tories are 3-0 up and effectively parking the bus. No silly mistakes, keep the Mavericks (especially Boris) on the bench and don't even let them warm up for fear of disturbing something. Not even playing with an attacker. Two banks of five. Keep the ball. Run the clock down.

Labour at 3-0 down are hoofing some very speculative long balls (more holidays, more police, more tax on the rich) hoping that something falls their way, but in reality more worried about conceding a daft own goal and being embarrassed than really trying to claw back a goal or two.

There's a lovely young lad called Tim who keeps asking politely if he could play and there's a big bully called Paul who keeps trying to invade the pitch but is too daft to get over the wall.

Then there's Nicola who is convinced she owns part of the pitch so will play, but only on the bit she thinks is hers and so only has one goal.

:D Incisive summary!

[Welsh_Saddler]

It's all a bit boring.

Tories are 3-0 up and effectively parking the bus. No silly mistakes, keep the Mavericks (especially Boris) on the bench and don't even let them warm up for fear of disturbing something. Not even playing with an attacker. Two banks of five. Keep the ball. Run the clock down.

Labour at 3-0 down are hoofing some very speculative long balls (more holidays, more police, more tax on the rich) hoping that something falls their way, but in reality more worried about conceding a daft own goal and being embarrassed than really trying to claw back a goal or two.

There's a lovely young lad called Tim who keeps asking politely if he could play and there's a big bully called Paul who keeps trying to invade the pitch but is too daft to get over the wall.

Then there's Nicola who is convinced she owns part of the pitch so will play, but only on the bit she thinks is hers and so only has one goal.

Very well put !!! :D

[Evo Boozy Saddler]

Great post PT :D

[swampysaddler]

Very well put PT.

[Exile]

Have they published their manifesto yet?

Good question!!

Exy, you must be a member or something, what does the Labour Party 2017 Manifesto look like?

VERY exciting stuff.

You can read it now. As I said, positive for all, not just the privileged few. Costed too, which is good to see. Have the Tories put theirs out yet, or are they afraid that naming NHS services to be closed down, the amount of defunding for state schools, further abuse of the poor and disabled, and the continued paring back of police force personnel, all in the name of tax breaks for corporations and millionaires, will be unpalatable to the voters?

[Welsh_Saddler]

We await the Conservative manifesto with interest. As for Labour's shopping list now published, the inevitable analysis of their costings has started - and the findings are not totally complimentary. Their proposal to nationalise the National Grid and the Water companies will mean compensating shareholders to the tune of £14bn in the first year alone. Labour are not giving a final price tag, saying that it will depend on various factors and will be decided by Parliament, but as the method of payment would be an exchange of government bonds for shares held there would inevitably be a huge addition to the National Debt.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (hardly an instrument for the wicked press barons) has stated that it is "genuinely uncertain" whether increases in Income Tax would raise the £6.4bn Labour has earmarked.

One of Jeremy Corbyn's closest political allies is Len McCluskey, boss of the Unite trade union, and he has stated that a Labour victory on June 8th would be "extraordinary" given the state of the party. He further says that if Labour holds on to 200 seats it would be a successful result for Mr. Corbyn, even though that number would be 30 seats fewer than Labour won in 2015.

Promises......promises......

[saddla]

From what I've seen so far;

The conservative party: We are the ones who can negotiate Brexit and we don't care about anything else.
The Labour Party: We will renationalise everything in sight and it will all be paid for by the rich.
The Lib Dems: We don't want brexit and we'll have more referendums until we get what we want.
SNP: the only thing that matters is getting Scotland out of the UK.
UKIP: Do we have a point for our existance any more?
Greens: Free sanitary towels for poor women.

I think I'm going to emigrate :(

[Cheesebag]

From what I've seen so far;

The conservative party: We are the ones who can negotiate Brexit and we don't care about anything else.
The Labour Party: We will renationalise everything in sight and it will all be paid for by the rich.
The Lib Dems: We don't want brexit and we'll have more referendums until we get what we want.
SNP: the only thing that matters is getting Scotland out of the UK.
UKIP: Do we have a point for our existance any more?
Greens: Free sanitary towels for poor women.

I think I'm going to emigrate :(

Don't emigrate... You'll become a raving socialist telling everyone what's best for the country without being anywhere near it :mrgreen:

[Exile]

From what I've seen so far;

The conservative party: We are the ones who can negotiate Brexit and we don't care about anything else.
The Labour Party: We will renationalise everything in sight and it will all be paid for by the rich.
The Lib Dems: We don't want brexit and we'll have more referendums until we get what we want.
SNP: the only thing that matters is getting Scotland out of the UK.
UKIP: Do we have a point for our existance any more?
Greens: Free sanitary towels for poor women.

I think I'm going to emigrate :(

Don't emigrate... You'll become a raving socialist telling everyone what's best for the country without being anywhere near it :mrgreen:

Yes. Stay in Britain, then when you're loaded you can just create a macro that types 'I agree' every time m'lud Cheesebag posts... :mrgreen:

[Cheesebag]

From what I've seen so far;

The conservative party: We are the ones who can negotiate Brexit and we don't care about anything else.
The Labour Party: We will renationalise everything in sight and it will all be paid for by the rich.
The Lib Dems: We don't want brexit and we'll have more referendums until we get what we want.
SNP: the only thing that matters is getting Scotland out of the UK.
UKIP: Do we have a point for our existance any more?
Greens: Free sanitary towels for poor women.

I think I'm going to emigrate :(

Don't emigrate... You'll become a raving socialist telling everyone what's best for the country without being anywhere near it :mrgreen:

Yes. Stay in Britain, then when you're loaded you can just create a macro that types 'I agree' every time m'lud Cheesebag posts... :mrgreen:

Sir Cheese to you xxx :D

[Guest]

We await the Conservative manifesto with interest. As for Labour's shopping list now published, the inevitable analysis of their costings has started - and the findings are not totally complimentary. Their proposal to nationalise the National Grid and the Water companies will mean compensating shareholders to the tune of £14bn in the first year alone. Labour are not giving a final price tag, saying that it will depend on various factors and will be decided by Parliament, but as the method of payment would be an exchange of government bonds for shares held there would inevitably be a huge addition to the National Debt.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (hardly an instrument for the wicked press barons) has stated that it is "genuinely uncertain" whether increases in Income Tax would raise the £6.4bn Labour has earmarked.

One of Jeremy Corbyn's closest political allies is Len McCluskey, boss of the Unite trade union, and he has stated that a Labour victory on June 8th would be "extraordinary" given the state of the party. He further says that if Labour holds on to 200 seats it would be a successful result for Mr. Corbyn, even though that number would be 30 seats fewer than Labour won in 2015.

Promises......promises......

Apparently, Len McCluskey has changed his mind.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39944331

[Welsh_Saddler]

We await the Conservative manifesto with interest. As for Labour's shopping list now published, the inevitable analysis of their costings has started - and the findings are not totally complimentary. Their proposal to nationalise the National Grid and the Water companies will mean compensating shareholders to the tune of £14bn in the first year alone. Labour are not giving a final price tag, saying that it will depend on various factors and will be decided by Parliament, but as the method of payment would be an exchange of government bonds for shares held there would inevitably be a huge addition to the National Debt.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies (hardly an instrument for the wicked press barons) has stated that it is "genuinely uncertain" whether increases in Income Tax would raise the £6.4bn Labour has earmarked.

One of Jeremy Corbyn's closest political allies is Len McCluskey, boss of the Unite trade union, and he has stated that a Labour victory on June 8th would be "extraordinary" given the state of the party. He further says that if Labour holds on to 200 seats it would be a successful result for Mr. Corbyn, even though that number would be 30 seats fewer than Labour won in 2015.

Promises......promises......

Apparently, Len McCluskey has changed his mind.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39944331

Yep, I saw that ... he must have had quite a verbal bollocking from Jezza to do a complete volte-face so quickly!! :roll:

[Super Gabor]

From what I've seen so far;

The Lib Dems: We don't want brexit and we'll have more referendums until we get what we want.

You might have missed the spliff tax?

[Cowshed]

Have they published their manifesto yet?

Good question!!

Exy, you must be a member or something, what does the Labour Party 2017 Manifesto look like?

VERY exciting stuff.

You can read it now. As I said, positive for all, not just the privileged few. Costed too, which is good to see. Have the Tories put theirs out yet, or are they afraid that naming NHS services to be closed down, the amount of defunding for state schools, further abuse of the poor and disabled, and the continued paring back of police force personnel, all in the name of tax breaks for corporations and millionaires, will be unpalatable to the voters?

The number one priority in government is national security without this all the above is just housekeeping

Immigration is causing mayhem across Germany and Scandinavia

Russia and North Korea are posturing with missile testing etc

So what is Corbin saying about controlling immigration and brexit freedom of movement

What is Corbin saying about nuclear deterrent

People are leaving labour because they want to feel safe in a scary world

Corbyn just changes his stance on these and it would be interesting but he puts his principles in front of the good of the country and this alone makes him unelectable

[Cully]

Question Time update...................Angela Rayner, chief Labour foghorn has announced that, following advice from their chief political adviser in New Zealand, in order to win the General Election everyone born in August will receive a free Unicorn. Large herds are currently being bred on the foothills of Mount Cliché in anticipation.

[Exile]

Strong and stable... :mrgreen:

[derbysaddler]

Repeat... Strong and stable, remain strong and stable.

At least someone has a sense of humour who wrote the Conservative Manifesto:

'Ensure foreign ownership of companies controlling important infrastructure does not undermine British security or essential services'

Tee hee, the horse bolted from that particular stable a long time ago.

[Andy_Petterson]

Can the mods set up an online poll on how people intend to vote please?

[Welsh_Saddler]

Can the mods set up an online poll on how people intend to vote please?

Set up, with the poll thread title "Cast your vote" :D

[IHTC.]

Question Time update...................Angela Rayner, chief Labour foghorn has announced that, following advice from their chief political adviser in New Zealand, in order to win the General Election everyone born in August will receive a free Unicorn. Large herds are currently being bred on the foothills of Mount Cliché in anticipation.

An absolute vile bully/gobby cow.

[Exile]

So, anyone want to defend the conservative manifesto? :D

Looked, erm, interesting, if you want you politics short on facts, costing and fairness...

[Cheesebag]

Question Time update...................Angela Rayner, chief Labour foghorn has announced that, following advice from their chief political adviser in New Zealand, in order to win the General Election everyone born in August will receive a free Unicorn. Large herds are currently being bred on the foothills of Mount Cliché in anticipation.

An absolute vile bully/gobby cow.

Honestly thought it was a drag queen parachuted in to defend gay/trans/lbt/midget rights

[Cowshed]

So, anyone want to defend the conservative manifesto? :D

Looked, erm, interesting, if you want you politics short on facts, costing and fairness...

See this is where labour feel they have to go I.e down the ' compare the manifesto route'

They have to do this to take the attention away from Corbyn because no one will vote for him

He doesn't appear on literature and he's not mentioned on the doorsteps

Labour have just got mullered in the midlands heartlands with the mayoral candidate Sean simon despairing at the Corbyn effect

No one will vote for him and that's why many Tory voters felt it was great value to pay a few quid to join the Labour Party and vote to keep him in as leader its great fun

As for the manifesto - 17 million people voted last year to bring control back to the borders so the strong emphasis on controlling immigration was clear and runs with the mood of the majority whereas the labour stance is insulting, weak and reflects the leader

[SaigonSaddler]

So, anyone want to defend the conservative manifesto? :D

Looked, erm, interesting, if you want you politics short on facts, costing and fairness...

See this is where labour feel they have to go I.e down the ' compare the manifesto route'

They have to do this to take the attention away from Corbyn because no one will vote for him

He doesn't appear on literature and he's not mentioned on the doorsteps

Labour have just got mullered in the midlands heartlands with the mayoral candidate Sean simon despairing at the Corbyn effect

No one will vote for him and that's why many Tory voters felt it was great value to pay a few quid to join the Labour Party and vote to keep him in as leader its great fun

As for the manifesto - 17 million people voted last year to bring control back to the borders so the strong emphasis on controlling immigration was clear and runs with the mood of the majority whereas the labour stance is insulting, weak and reflects the leader

The manifesto lays out the plans for the future under that party, so I'm amazed as why you would feel it's so subservient to any particular leader. The Self-servative flavour seems to be little more than open season on anyone who isn't vastly wealthy and will never get sick or old or require any services. And isn't a child. Immigration was one of the issues during Brexit certainly, but people voted out for many reasons, so claiming immigration was the entire theme is a huge step, especially considering the 48% voting remain.

As for weak leadership, seriously? :shock: :D

We had Cameron who chanced his arm on a NO vote for political gain, only to pathetically slither away when everything went wrong, leaving the country with a huge mess of his creation. We had the leave campaigners, all of whom have now scurrilously disappeared from the scene, and are saddled with another remain campaigner, May, who has an allergy to anything not totally scripted with an uncosted manifesto sold on the repetition of soundbites such as 'strong and stable' and an approach to Brexit based on the fact that she can be a 'bloody difficult woman'.

In an earlier post you suggested Britain was effectively under attack. It is, just NOT in the way you think.
Think!

[Cowshed]

So, anyone want to defend the conservative manifesto? :D

Looked, erm, interesting, if you want you politics short on facts, costing and fairness...

See this is where labour feel they have to go I.e down the ' compare the manifesto route'

They have to do this to take the attention away from Corbyn because no one will vote for him

He doesn't appear on literature and he's not mentioned on the doorsteps

Labour have just got mullered in the midlands heartlands with the mayoral candidate Sean simon despairing at the Corbyn effect

No one will vote for him and that's why many Tory voters felt it was great value to pay a few quid to join the Labour Party and vote to keep him in as leader its great fun

As for the manifesto - 17 million people voted last year to bring control back to the borders so the strong emphasis on controlling immigration was clear and runs with the mood of the majority whereas the labour stance is insulting, weak and reflects the leader

The manifesto lays out the plans for the future under that party, so I'm amazed as why you would feel it's so subservient to any particular leader. The Self-servative flavour seems to be little more than open season on anyone who isn't vastly wealthy and will never get sick or old or require any services. And isn't a child. Immigration was one of the issues during Brexit certainly, but people voted out for many reasons, so claiming immigration was the entire theme is a huge step, especially considering the 48% voting remain.

As for weak leadership, seriously? :shock: :D

We had Cameron who chanced his arm on a NO vote for political gain, only to pathetically slither away when everything went wrong, leaving the country with a huge mess of his creation. We had the leave campaigners, all of whom have now scurrilously disappeared from the scene, and are saddled with another remain campaigner, May, who has an allergy to anything not totally scripted with an uncosted manifesto sold on the repetition of soundbites such as 'strong and stable' and an approach to Brexit based on the fact that she can be a 'bloody difficult woman'.

In an earlier post you suggested Britain was effectively under attack. It is, just NOT in the way you think.
Think!

The public have wised up to the fact that manifestos are merely bags of goodies used to buy votes and there is an element of promises often not kept so there is an element of uncertainty as to whether they will be delivered on.

What is certain is the person who becomes prime minister - in this case you do actually get what the majority vote for it is not just a promise.

So do you want Corbyn or may ? There us no point clouding the issues beyond this

On June 8th the decision is Corbyn or may to run your country

[JonnyOwen]

So do you want Corbyn or may ? There us no point clouding the issues beyond this

On June 8th the decision is Corbyn or may to run your country

Corbyn every day of the week.

[Super Gabor]

In the red corner, idealistic ideologically-driven wish lists.

In the blue corner, realistic pragmatism.

June 8th effectively is a referendum on socialism. Presumably the will of the people will be adhered to by the sore losers as they blame defeat on the media, the general public's intelligence and the talented Labour MPs who, apart from Starmer, are nowhere near the woeful front bench.

[SaigonSaddler]

The manifesto lays out the plans for the future under that party, so I'm amazed as why you would feel it's so subservient to any particular leader. The Self-servative flavour seems to be little more than open season on anyone who isn't vastly wealthy and will never get sick or old or require any services. And isn't a child. Immigration was one of the issues during Brexit certainly, but people voted out for many reasons, so claiming immigration was the entire theme is a huge step, especially considering the 48% voting remain.

As for weak leadership, seriously? :shock: :D

We had Cameron who chanced his arm on a NO vote for political gain, only to pathetically slither away when everything went wrong, leaving the country with a huge mess of his creation. We had the leave campaigners, all of whom have now scurrilously disappeared from the scene, and are saddled with another remain campaigner, May, who has an allergy to anything not totally scripted with an uncosted manifesto sold on the repetition of soundbites such as 'strong and stable' and an approach to Brexit based on the fact that she can be a 'bloody difficult woman'.

In an earlier post you suggested Britain was effectively under attack. It is, just NOT in the way you think.
Think!

The public have wised up to the fact that manifestos are merely bags of goodies used to buy votes and there is an element of promises often not kept so there is an element of uncertainty as to whether they will be delivered on.

What is certain is the person who becomes prime minister - in this case you do actually get what the majority vote for it is not just a promise.

So do you want Corbyn or may ? There us no point clouding the issues beyond this

On June 8th the decision is Corbyn or may to run your country

That appears to be your own personal mind-set, so fair enough. I would hesitate from projecting it onto the rest of the voting public though, just as your immigration issue is ambitiously extrapolated as true for all.

The manifestos give a clear indication of the direction of policy and include specific solutions. One is infinitely more inclusive, progressive and begins to seek to equalise society. The other is ... an abdication of social responsibility and utterly repugnant. Again, don't plan on becoming old or ill, or having such people in the family, and I haven't seen anything from May to suggest she is a superior leader.

Each person will choose as they will.

[saddla]

The betting fraternity seem to have made up their minds

Betrair odds
Conservative majority 1.08
Labour Majority 55

[Cowshed]

So do you want Corbyn or may ? There us no point clouding the issues beyond this

On June 8th the decision is Corbyn or may to run your country

Corbyn every day of the week.

That's it Jonny just focus on the leaders

It doesn't matter about promises made by all parties that will fade away and this election is not about what your status is, the people set to gain or the people set to lose, or how you or your parents normally vote the recent change to blue for Walsall shows this.

It is about Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa may

As you say Corbin any day of the week- this shows he has support and yet I ask a labour councillor in erdington why he is not on the leaflet and I am told that the pub bombings are still raw in these parts and that up north folk do not feel he listens about their concerns about immigration.

In an election that really is all about Corbin or may Corbin has been let down by some members of his own party who don't want to promote him

Why ever not

For one he will do wonders for the local Jaguar Landrover factory. This is because of the scrapping of uni fees . Money set aside in uni savings plans across Sutton and Solihull will be diverted to the new f pace. This is now referred to as Labour Party insurance money.

I think it would be a fairer campaign if the majority of labour MPs stopped down talking Corbin and promoted him .

Its Corbin or may let's hope the outcome is the right one :)