Poll: global warming

[derbysaddler]

not to sure about them uniforms meself, yellow for henchmen? it will never catch on.

[derbysaddler]

Anyway, one pleasing thing to read yesterday was that Europe was putting together a cross nation plan to link up renewable energy production into a large grid. Large wind farms in the North Sea will be linked up to hydro power generation in Norway and a huge solar farms based in the Sahara desert via new specialist cables that can transform power through sea bed cables. Considering Russia's at again by switching off the pipeline supplies through to Belarus its vital Europe invests in sustainable energy production.

[aaaae]

Anyway, one pleasing thing to read yesterday was that Europe was putting together a cross nation plan to link up renewable energy production into a large grid. Large wind farms in the North Sea will be linked up to hydro power generation in Norway and a huge solar farms based in the Sahara desert via new specialist cables that can transform power through sea bed cables. Considering Russia's at again by switching off the pipeline supplies through to Belarus its vital Europe invests in sustainable energy production.

If CO2 emissions are the major problem we face in the 21st century, wouldn't it just be cheaper and quicker to follow the French example and chuck up a load of nuclear power stations? Rather than following some expensive, ineffectual and environmentally damaging tofu wearing sandal eating geezer's wet dream?

As an aside, why would the Norwegians want us to use their hydro-electricity? They are doing very nicely and will continue do very nicely for the foreseeable future selling us their North Sea gas and oil.

[derbysaddler]

The Norwegian option allows them to feed back into the grid the surplus energy generated by them to other areas in Europe. Nuclear power is an option but do you really want to become reliant on that one source across the whole Euro Zone? what happens if nuclear fuel supplies become harder to obtain?. I understand that building this set up will be expensive, but 'knocking' up a load of nuclear power stations is not exactly the cheap option is it.

[sj]

Well it looks like this global warming Co2 stuff is yet another "moral panic" to keep us scared and in our place. The world is run by politically motivated "experts". Well I for one have had enough of them. I'm chucking out my energy efficient bulbs and putting in the MASDA's.

Seems to me that the poor nations are paying for all the called for reductions. The rich nations buy their energy emission rights on the Energy market and the banks are making a bomb in trading in them. The upshot is that we go on polluting whilst the poor nations are unable to develop. Sick ay it.

[Manchester Saddler]

I don't like your whacky conspiracy theories normally SJ but I have to agree with you about global warming. The reason? There is as much scientific evidence to disprove global warming as there is to prove it. I have read some myself. But these results never get published in the Daily Mail nor do the governments of any country publish them.

The bottom line is that this is almost certainly just part of the natural cycle and we are so arrogant to believe that we caused it and can do something about it.

Things are changing but we should adapt not listen to people pandering to the whims of sad environmentalists.

[Whitti Steve]

I don't like your whacky conspiracy theories normally SJ but I have to agree with you about global warming. The reason? There is as much scientific evidence to disprove global warming as there is to prove it. I have read some myself. But these results never get published in the Daily Mail nor do the governments of any country publish them.

The bottom line is that this is almost certainly just part of the natural cycle and we are so arrogant to believe that we caused it and can do something about it.

Things are changing but we should adapt not listen to people pandering to the whims of sad environmentalists.

I agree - Coldest winter in 15,20,100 years depending on which news you listen to.

[SaigonSaddler]

I don't like your whacky conspiracy theories normally SJ but I have to agree with you about global warming. The reason? There is as much scientific evidence to disprove global warming as there is to prove it. I have read some myself. But these results never get published in the Daily Mail nor do the governments of any country publish them.

The bottom line is that this is almost certainly just part of the natural cycle and we are so arrogant to believe that we caused it and can do something about it.

Things are changing but we should adapt not listen to people pandering to the whims of sad environmentalists.

Ok. What evidence?

And who have you got in support?

[SaigonSaddler]

I don't like your whacky conspiracy theories normally SJ but I have to agree with you about global warming. The reason? There is as much scientific evidence to disprove global warming as there is to prove it. I have read some myself. But these results never get published in the Daily Mail nor do the governments of any country publish them.

The bottom line is that this is almost certainly just part of the natural cycle and we are so arrogant to believe that we caused it and can do something about it.

Things are changing but we should adapt not listen to people pandering to the whims of sad environmentalists.

I agree - Coldest winter in 15,20,100 years depending on which news you listen to.

:?:

Meaning what? Nothing!

[SaigonSaddler]

Here's a statement from the Met office and UK scientific community, I'm sorry it's so long folks, but I'm sure it will be dwarfed by the list that some of you will be able to produce..... Anyway, these misguided individuals, bizarrely including a load of doctors and professors, appear to have been mislead by the flimsy so-called 'evidence'. Hopefully Exile and Manchester will put them right by surfing the net for 10 minutes and posting a couple of graphs and bar charts.

Link: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/news/latest/uk-science-statement.html

10 December 2009

We, members of the UK science community, have the utmost confidence in the observational evidence for global warming and the scientific basis for concluding that it is due primarily to human activities. The evidence and the science are deep and extensive. They come from decades of painstaking and meticulous research, by many thousands of scientists across the world who adhere to the highest levels of professional integrity. That research has been subject to peer review and publication, providing traceability of the evidence and support for the scientific method.

The science of climate change draws on fundamental research from an increasing number of disciplines, many of which are represented here. As professional scientists, from students to senior professors, we uphold the findings of the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, which concludes that ‘Warming of the climate system is unequivocal’ and that ‘Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations’.

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[sj]

Saigon------ the trouble with this topic is that science has become political. This means that we are unable to believe the buggers. We need independent academics and universities, we do not have that at the moment.

Academics are compromised by their need to get funding, if they do not tow the correct line they dont get it. How do we move foreward from this corrupt position. My old univesity has become a science park tied to the needs of big industry, the old academics are empolyees now.

[Whitti Steve]

Saigon...

Very interesting list, thank for that. :roll:

[Magic Man Fan]

Saigon...

Very interesting list, thank for that. :roll:

I agree, enthralling. It's great to know there is such a long list of people that are keen to perpetuate the myth of global warming to keep themselves involved in the research of it so they can get some extra wonga for it.

[SaigonSaddler]

Saigon...

Very interesting list, thank for that. :roll:

It's the cream of British science involved in this specific area. If you can't see it's value to this debate then I apologise because I have wasted your time and mine.

Assuming you have read the statement, I would invite you to look at the link and see some of the data from which the conclusions have been drawn. Predictions are for the warmest year since 1998 for 2010.

Either way, I'd be most interested to see if anyone can call on such a group of people in support of their arguments, and if any meaningful evidence could challenge the conclusions drawn thus far. Both have been suggested, let's see if they will actually transpire.

When they can't, I shall begin lampooning the conspiracy theorists.

[SaigonSaddler]

Saigon...

Very interesting list, thank for that. :roll:

I agree, enthralling. It's great to know there is such a long list of people that are keen to perpetuate the myth of global warming to keep themselves involved in the research of it so they can get some extra wonga for it.

Please refer to my former answer. :idea:

[aaaae]

Saigon...

Very interesting list, thank for that. :roll:

I agree, enthralling. It's great to know there is such a long list of people that are keen to perpetuate the myth of global warming to keep themselves involved in the research of it so they can get some extra wonga for it.

Please refer to my former answer. :idea:

Just picking a random name out of the list - Prof. Oliver Phillips - Leeds University and so far the only one I've looked up - honest!!

Googled him and found

"Amazon carbon sink threatened by drought -

The Amazon is surprisingly sensitive to drought, according to new research conducted throughout the world's largest tropical forest. The 30-year study, published today in Science, provides the first solid evidence that drought causes massive carbon loss in tropical forests, mainly through killing trees.

"For years the Amazon forest has been helping to slow down climate change. But relying on this subsidy from nature is extremely dangerous", said Professor Oliver Phillips, from the University of Leeds and the lead author of the research.

"If the earth's carbon sinks slow or go into reverse, as our results show is possible, carbon dioxide levels will rise even faster. Deeper cuts in emissions will be required to stabilise our climate."

Wonder what would happen to his funding if it was found we didn't need to worry about carbon? At least it's kept him going for 30 years...

[aaaae]

Next one I picked Prof. Nigel Arnell - Reading University

Professor Nigel Arnell is Director of the Walker Institute for Climate Change Research and is Professor of Climate System Science in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Reading

Wonder what would happen to his money? Hmmmm

[SaigonSaddler]

Saigon...

Very interesting list, thank for that. :roll:

I agree, enthralling. It's great to know there is such a long list of people that are keen to perpetuate the myth of global warming to keep themselves involved in the research of it so they can get some extra wonga for it.

Please refer to my former answer. :idea:

Just picking a random name out of the list - Prof. Oliver Phillips - Leeds University and so far the only one I've looked up - honest!!

Googled him and found

"Amazon carbon sink threatened by drought -

The Amazon is surprisingly sensitive to drought, according to new research conducted throughout the world's largest tropical forest. The 30-year study, published today in Science, provides the first solid evidence that drought causes massive carbon loss in tropical forests, mainly through killing trees.

"For years the Amazon forest has been helping to slow down climate change. But relying on this subsidy from nature is extremely dangerous", said Professor Oliver Phillips, from the University of Leeds and the lead author of the research.

"If the earth's carbon sinks slow or go into reverse, as our results show is possible, carbon dioxide levels will rise even faster. Deeper cuts in emissions will be required to stabilise our climate."

Wonder what would happen to his funding if it was found we didn't need to worry about carbon? At least it's kept him going for 30 years...

Seems a perfectly reasonable area of research, so don't see the issue as it would be far more complicated that you are making out. I also like the track of financial pressure to get the wanted answer. It must be pretty cut and dried for that one to stack up. Is that your line of argument now, and have we abandoned counter evidence completely?

As I say, please furnish a list of scientists that counter the evidence, presumeably these universities should be split roughly in half - those for and those against, if your collective suppositions are anything to go by. Anyone from Leeds Uni?

[aaaae]

Prof Daivd Strong - Nottingham

Sustainable Buildings Consultant of Renewable Energy Systems Group (RES), one of the world's leading renewable energy companies, with offices across the UK and overseas. David was previously Managing Director of BRE Environment and is currently Chairman of the EU Energy Performance of Buildings Directive Implementation Advisory Group.

Not sure he would spend too much time studying the causes of global warming though.

They all seem to have a vested interest to me. Can't be arsed to look any more up, but three out of three aint bad.

[aaaae]

Seems a perfectly reasonable area of research, so don't see the issue as it would be far more complicated that you are making out. I also like the track of financial pressure to get the wanted answer. It must be pretty cut and dried for that one to stack up. Is that your line of argument now, and have we abandoned counter evidence completely?

As I say, please furnish a list of scientists that counter the evidence, presumeably these universities should be split roughly in half - those for and those against, if your collective suppositions are anything to go by. Anyone from Leeds Uni?

I know what you mean and I don't mean to rubbish all these guys research. It's been said before, but a guy who wants to research the Amazon can't just say I want to go and research trees in the Amazon, to get funding he has to say I want to go and research the effects of climate change on the Amazon.

Once he is on this train he has to sign up to this list. He probably isn't interested in climate but in biodiversity in the Amazon, an area well worthy of research,

[SaigonSaddler]

Next one I picked Prof. Nigel Arnell - Reading University

Professor Nigel Arnell is Director of the Walker Institute for Climate Change Research and is Professor of Climate System Science in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Reading

Wonder what would happen to his money? Hmmmm

Any evidence that his warming-positive research and his appearance in this list are linked to his financial reward?

Or are you just making some kind of hollow, meaningless statement?

Are they all as alledgely corrupt as this professor, or are you going stop after a random sample?

[Whitti Steve]

Saigon...

Very interesting list, thank for that. :roll:

It's the cream of British science involved in this specific area. If you can't see it's value to this debate then I apologise because I have wasted your time and mine.

Assuming you have read the statement, I would invite you to look at the link and see some of the data from which the conclusions have been drawn. Predictions are for the warmest year since 1998 for 2010.

Either way, I'd be most interested to see if anyone can call on such a group of people in support of their arguments, and if any meaningful evidence could challenge the conclusions drawn thus far. Both have been suggested, let's see if they will actually transpire.

When they can't, I shall begin lampooning the conspiracy theorists.

Yey I heard earlier that this winter is going to be the 9th wramest globally.... so - there have been 9 warmer.

I am not doubting that you have found a list of people that believe and have stats for this... but there will be a list of people who disagree. I ain't going to go looking for it, because you will tell me that your scientists are better than mine yadda yadda. I don't doubt that the world temperature is changing... but it always has done. What I do doubt is A) the reasons and B) the things that I am being told will "make it better". If it was as cut and dried as you seem to think... why is there so much contradicting evidence?

I conclude that I cannot argue on a level playing field with you because A) I am not as well read on the subject as you and B) I cor be arsed.

[SaigonSaddler]

Seems a perfectly reasonable area of research, so don't see the issue as it would be far more complicated that you are making out. I also like the track of financial pressure to get the wanted answer. It must be pretty cut and dried for that one to stack up. Is that your line of argument now, and have we abandoned counter evidence completely?

As I say, please furnish a list of scientists that counter the evidence, presumeably these universities should be split roughly in half - those for and those against, if your collective suppositions are anything to go by. Anyone from Leeds Uni?

I know what you mean and I don't mean to rubbish all these guys research. It's been said before, but a guy who wants to research the Amazon can't just say I want to go and research trees in the Amazon, to get funding he has to say I want to go and research the effects of climate change on the Amazon.

How do you know?

I knew someone from Newcastle uni who went to research entomology (insects) in Costa Rica, and there are many other field trips going all over the world totally unlinked to climate change. You have a very strange view on academic procedure.

[Exile]

Saigon - I'm really sorry that your mind is so closed on this subject that you cannot see any holes in what is a flawed hypothesis to start with.

In a nutshell:

1 - there is no correlation between CO2 and global warming (which, for the umpteenth time, I belive has occurred, quite naturally over the last 100-150 years.). CO2 tends to lag warming by up to 800 years.
2 - glacial shortening (which is not global) is not correlated with increased temperature - precipitation and regression to the mean are other important factors (see 1 above)
3 - there is a much closer correlation to climate from both solar and cosmic ray activity
4 - there is no significant measurable rise in sea level (note that various low-lying pacific islands were settled 2-3000 years ago, and these have been populated, without the residents drowning from rising seas, through two wamer periods than the current day (Roman era, Medieval Climate Optimum). Data suggests a rise of only 1.6mm per year but with what margin of error?
5 - Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' is full of lies from start to finish, so much so that it was legally challenged in the UK to stop it being taught as FACT in schools up and down the land. Thank heck for that.
6 - the 'hockey stick graph' which started the ball rolling and provided headline graphics throughout the world has been thoroughly debunked - when analysed it produced the same shape regardless of what was input, the perfect example of the result being chosen before the research
7 - the CRU in the UK, GISS and NOAA all use the same temperature base to support each other. This temperature base has been accumulated from global sources, yet for analysis, the temperatures were 'adjusted' to fit the result required for item 6 above. The scientists who did this (Jones et al at Hadley) claim to have lost the original data, have denied Freedom of Information requests for the data and conspired with each other to avoid inquiry.
8 - since satellite measurement became possible, there is no evidence whatsoever of any increase in temperature to correlate with rising CO2 in the atmosphere. When confronted with this problem, scientists who believe in anthropogenic global warming were made aware of a major problem with their hypothesis - there was no upper atmosphere hotspot as predicted by all (yes, all) their climate models. To compensate that they didn't reinvestigate to see where they might have gone wrong, they decided that the temperatures were flawed readings, and that wind speed would give them a better idea of temperature. It beggars belief.
9 - reporting in mainstream media shows significant lack of understanding of the subject, and a desire to hit the panic button every time - perfect examples, "warmest summers ever" (headlines ad infinitum) are climate change induced, but coldest winters ever are always weather.
10 - global temperature records are corrupted by station placement, urban heat island effect, discontinuity, unregulated measurement and are at best a very inaccurate way of measuring global temperature (refer 8 above). There's no homogenous data source to start with which is why 7 above happened.
11 - CO2 absorption response for heat is logarithmic - it only absorbs in two heat bands and at current atmospheric levels it is to all intents and purposes saturated and has no further part to play.

That's just off the top of my head.

Finally, thanks for your list of a few hundred names (looks like a minority of both academics and students at each university to me (e.g. only 18 teaching staff from my old Alma Mater, UCL, which would be smaller than the geology department when I left 22 years ago), but hey ho, the list looks really long so it must be impressive). I'll see you and raise you 30,000+ on the Oregon Petition (give or take the Mickey Mouses and Ronald Reagans that are always found online), or alternatively suggest you check Senator Inhofe in the USA for his growing list of disaffected research scientists. That may show you that the scientific community is not 'in agreement' on this. Please note that correct science is not about agreement though, it's about testing hypotheses and reviewing the results you get, then publishing in an open manner including what data you tortured to get what result you did.

I'm not saying the whole thing is a conspiracy, I'm saying there's a startling ignorance around which means people don't actually understand what's presented to them - the stories in the media are generally written by generalist reporters, not the science desk, for starters, and politicians such as Brown etc. rely on the reports being presented to them. When it comes in the form of a UNIPCC report, it's huge, so they look at the summary pages, written not by scientists but by politicians. That's why so many scientists have disowned their input, as results were ignored or distorted/exaggerated.

I'd leave a whole bunch of links for you to check but I'm sure, if you were remotely interested in doing the topic some justice yourself that you'd have found them by now. I don't need your pity, just your open mind. your response to my last post, all withering ad hominem attacks and sarcasm, shows me you closed it on this subject too soon.

Tell you what, I'm so sure of my point of view I bet you a token NZD100 (that's about GBP40 or so isn't it?) that the earth will continue to cool and will be cooler than today up till 2030. That's a 20 year bet which should be enough to show even a little incy wincy bit of warming in accordance with the climate models being used by the AGW brigade you believe so fervently in. If you take this up I'll put a little mention for you in my will should I drop dead in the interim. Personally, I think there's more chance of another ice age than there is of runaway warming. Probably it'll take more than my lifetime to arise but that's next.

PS - look up the aims of the Council Of Rome, see who's a member and then work out what the real conspiracy theorists think. I'm positively sane by comparison. :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

Saigon...

Very interesting list, thank for that. :roll:

It's the cream of British science involved in this specific area. If you can't see it's value to this debate then I apologise because I have wasted your time and mine.

Assuming you have read the statement, I would invite you to look at the link and see some of the data from which the conclusions have been drawn. Predictions are for the warmest year since 1998 for 2010.

Either way, I'd be most interested to see if anyone can call on such a group of people in support of their arguments, and if any meaningful evidence could challenge the conclusions drawn thus far. Both have been suggested, let's see if they will actually transpire.

When they can't, I shall begin lampooning the conspiracy theorists.

Yey I heard earlier that this winter is going to be the 9th wramest globally.... so - there have been 9 warmer.

I am not doubting that you have found a list of people that believe and have stats for this... but there will be a list of people who disagree. I ain't going to go looking for it, because you will tell me that your scientists are better than mine yadda yadda. I don't doubt that the world temperature is changing... but it always has done. What I do doubt is A) the reasons and B) the things that I am being told will "make it better". If it was as cut and dried as you seem to think... why is there so much contradicting evidence?

I conclude that I cannot argue on a level playing field with you because A) I am not as well read on the subject as you and B) I cor be bothered.

Ok but let me ask you this -

Are any people from Oxford/Cambs or any of the other institutions listed in the denial camp?

What evidence - where?

You make sweeping statements without the means to back them up thus far, so I invite you to do so, or at least rethink your outlook in these specific areas, rather than make a couple of statements and then make a retreat.

[Whitti Steve]

PJD and Exile are so much better than me... I will just sit here and read from now on.

[Whitti Steve]

Saigon...

Very interesting list, thank for that. :roll:

It's the cream of British science involved in this specific area. If you can't see it's value to this debate then I apologise because I have wasted your time and mine.

Assuming you have read the statement, I would invite you to look at the link and see some of the data from which the conclusions have been drawn. Predictions are for the warmest year since 1998 for 2010.

Either way, I'd be most interested to see if anyone can call on such a group of people in support of their arguments, and if any meaningful evidence could challenge the conclusions drawn thus far. Both have been suggested, let's see if they will actually transpire.

When they can't, I shall begin lampooning the conspiracy theorists.

Yey I heard earlier that this winter is going to be the 9th wramest globally.... so - there have been 9 warmer.

I am not doubting that you have found a list of people that believe and have stats for this... but there will be a list of people who disagree. I ain't going to go looking for it, because you will tell me that your scientists are better than mine yadda yadda. I don't doubt that the world temperature is changing... but it always has done. What I do doubt is A) the reasons and B) the things that I am being told will "make it better". If it was as cut and dried as you seem to think... why is there so much contradicting evidence?

I conclude that I cannot argue on a level playing field with you because A) I am not as well read on the subject as you and B) I cor be bothered.

Ok but let me ask you this -

Are any people from Oxford/Cambs or any of the other institutions listed in the denial camp?

What evidence - where?

You make sweeping statements without the means to back them up thus far, so I invite you to do so, or at least rethink your outlook in these specific areas, rather than make a couple of statements and then make a retreat.

Refer to my above post :mrgreen:

[Whitti Steve]

Honestly... I know I am not as clever in this area as I should be. Your style of "put down" argument puts me off doing the kind of research that Exile and PJD have done. I am yet to be convinced totally one way or the other... but what I hate is having it rammed down my throat in the way the media have done for the last 3-5 years (the BBC in particular). You lot keep it going... you are better than me.

[SaigonSaddler]

Honestly... I know I am not as clever in this area as I should be. Your style of "put down" argument puts me off doing the kind of research that Exile and PJD have done. I am yet to be convinced totally one way or the other... but what I hate is having it rammed down my throat in the way the media have done for the last 3-5 years (the BBC in particular). You lot keep it going... you are better than me.

It's not a matter of intelligence, but just being able to support statements. I've only asked you for support for two pretty powerful comments, sorry if you see that a put-down. :wink:

[Whitti Steve]

Honestly... I know I am not as clever in this area as I should be. Your style of "put down" argument puts me off doing the kind of research that Exile and PJD have done. I am yet to be convinced totally one way or the other... but what I hate is having it rammed down my throat in the way the media have done for the last 3-5 years (the BBC in particular). You lot keep it going... you are better than me.

It's not a matter of intelligence, but just being able to support statements. I've only asked you for support for two pretty powerful comments, sorry if you see that a put-down. :wink:

Having put that in the previous post, I decided to re-read the whole thread to make sure of my "feeling" on the way you argue your points. I conclude that maybe I was a "little" harsh.. but some of your responses do make me feel like you think I am a total idiot for not believing you... this just makes me not want to believe you even more :mrgreen: