Mansfield Town (A) League Saturday 20/1/07

[tinned]

I maon at Wrighty when he wimps out of yet another challenge, or fails to go past his man for the umpteenth time. But how could anyone think Fox has played better on the wing than Wright ? At least Wright gets in the positions to receive the ball, Fox is usually hiding somewhere deep infield. He's gonna make less mistakes if he receives the ball a fraction of the times Wright receives it.

I'll never be a member of MWAS but I'd rather have another Wright on the left than Fox.

[Fray Bentos is God!]

I maon at Wrighty when he wimps out of yet another challenge, or fails to go past his man for the umpteenth time. But how could anyone think Fox has played better on the wing than Wright ? At least Wright gets in the positions to receive the ball, Fox is usually hiding somewhere deep infield. He's gonna make less mistakes if he receives the ball a fraction of the times Wright receives it.

I'll never be a member of MWAS but I'd rather have another Wright on the left than Fox.

yes you will, we wear balaclavas and dance to 5ive

[tinned]

I maon at Wrighty when he wimps out of yet another challenge, or fails to go past his man for the umpteenth time. But how could anyone think Fox has played better on the wing than Wright ? At least Wright gets in the positions to receive the ball, Fox is usually hiding somewhere deep infield. He's gonna make less mistakes if he receives the ball a fraction of the times Wright receives it.

I'll never be a member of MWAS but I'd rather have another Wright on the left than Fox.

yes you will, we wear balaclavas and dance to 5ive

Done ! Send me the forms :lol:

[saddlerken]

I'll never be a member of MWAS but I'd rather have another Wright on the left than Fox.

That is my main gripe

I understand that Wrighty had a stinker but he is definately singled out, I assume it's because he's a complete fanny but you have to take in to account what he gives against what he doesn't.

I've heard so many times how Wright 'never takes people on' as if all wingers up and down the country are constantly taking players on and actually getting past them, complete and utter b0ll0x are they

As for Fox, I doubt whether he has ever taken a player on in his life

[Kiansmom]

my main gripe, why does he never look up before he crosses a ball? it's schoolboy stuff!

[Stu]

my main gripe, why does he never look up before he crosses a ball? it's schoolboy stuff!

If he looks up before he gets the ball, he doesn't need to... All he has to do is put in a rough area and he knows his strikers 'should' be attacking it. I think his crossing is one of his better points as it happens, its the constant running into his man that infuriates me.

[Kiansmom]

my main gripe, why does he never look up before he crosses a ball? it's schoolboy stuff!

If he looks up before he gets the ball, he doesn't need to... All he has to do is put in a rough area and he knows his strikers 'should' be attacking it. I think his crossing is one of his better points as it happens, its the constant running into his man that infuriates me.

not when there is a defender standing 2 yards from him it isnt

[Magic Man Fan]

IF WRIGHT WAS PLAYING AS GOOD A GENERAL GAME AS BUTLER MARK THEN HE WOULDN'T BE BOO'D WOULD HE...BUT HE IS NOWHERE NEAR

I'll repeat it and I'll keep repeating it until it sinks in:

You just can't differentiate between the good things being decisive in games and the bad things that aren't. Most of the good stuff he does creates goals which win us points, FACT. Most of the bad things DON'T lose us points, FACT.

Mark Wright has been far more effective in his role than Butler has in his in my opinion.

Butler, 8 goals? Average in this league, nowhere near the leading scorers.

Wright on the other hand is almost top of the assists league?

So comparatively, who is the most effective player in their respective position? ;)

If Wright fans bothered to take their blinkers off and stopped making themselves look stupid, they'd see the facts.

[Magic Man Fan]

my main gripe, why does he never look up before he crosses a ball? it's schoolboy stuff!

If he looks up before he gets the ball, he doesn't need to... All he has to do is put in a rough area and he knows his strikers 'should' be attacking it. I think his crossing is one of his better points as it happens, its the constant running into his man that infuriates me.

not when there is a defender standing 2 yards from him it isnt

The point is Linda which most can't seem to grasp is that, he only needs one or two crosses to get into the right position in the WHOLE match to be effective.

Just like Butler and the other strikers only need to take a chance or two each to win the game. Not every cross has to be good, just like we don't expect Butler to take every chance, which he certainly didn't do during his huge baron spell.

See?

[hodgy for chile]

Just a point of info for Magic Man Fan, Hodgy for Chile refers to a guy called Ken Hodgkison...who was booed by no-one in his day, because of his skill, passion and ability.
Who the hell is John Hodge?

[Kiansmom]

my main gripe, why does he never look up before he crosses a ball? it's schoolboy stuff!

If he looks up before he gets the ball, he doesn't need to... All he has to do is put in a rough area and he knows his strikers 'should' be attacking it. I think his crossing is one of his better points as it happens, its the constant running into his man that infuriates me.

not when there is a defender standing 2 yards from him it isnt

The point is Linda which most can't seem to grasp is that, he only needs one or two crosses to get into the right position in the WHOLE match to be effective.

Just like Butler and the other strikers only need to take a chance or two each to win the game. Not every cross has to be good, just like we don't expect Butler to take every chance, which he certainly didn't do during his huge baron spell.

See?

understand that but 7 or 8 good crosses would improve the chances of us scoring rather than 1 or 2

[Magic Man Fan]

Just a point of info for Magic Man Fan, Hodgy for Chile refers to a guy called Ken Hodgkison...who was booed by no-one in his day, because of his skill, passion and ability.
Who the hell is John Hodge?

Big fan then?

Bye! :wink:

[Magic Man Fan]

my main gripe, why does he never look up before he crosses a ball? it's schoolboy stuff!

If he looks up before he gets the ball, he doesn't need to... All he has to do is put in a rough area and he knows his strikers 'should' be attacking it. I think his crossing is one of his better points as it happens, its the constant running into his man that infuriates me.

not when there is a defender standing 2 yards from him it isnt

The point is Linda which most can't seem to grasp is that, he only needs one or two crosses to get into the right position in the WHOLE match to be effective.

Just like Butler and the other strikers only need to take a chance or two each to win the game. Not every cross has to be good, just like we don't expect Butler to take every chance, which he certainly didn't do during his huge baron spell.

See?

understand that but 7 or 8 good crosses would improve the chances of us scoring rather than 1 or 2

I don't dispute that Linda but as we have said countless times, Money asks his "wingers" to play narrow, which is why he picks Fox.

Wright does far more than Fox does in terms of getting crosses over.

ONCE AGAIN....Why don't the same people boo Fox who doesn't even attempt to cross the ball into defenders legs? ;)

Is it cos 'e is white? Aaaiiiiii.

[sid swifty]

my main gripe, why does he never look up before he crosses a ball? it's schoolboy stuff!

If he looks up before he gets the ball, he doesn't need to... All he has to do is put in a rough area and he knows his strikers 'should' be attacking it. I think his crossing is one of his better points as it happens, its the constant running into his man that infuriates me.

not when there is a defender standing 2 yards from him it isnt

The point is Linda which most can't seem to grasp is that, he only needs one or two crosses to get into the right position in the WHOLE match to be effective.

Just like Butler and the other strikers only need to take a chance or two each to win the game. Not every cross has to be good, just like we don't expect Butler to take every chance, which he certainly didn't do during his huge baron spell.

See?

understand that but 7 or 8 good crosses would improve the chances of us scoring rather than 1 or 2

I don't dispute that Linda but as we have said countless times, Money asks his "wingers" to play narrow, which is why he picks Fox.

Wright does far more than Fox does in terms of getting crosses over.

ONCE AGAIN....Why don't the same people boo Fox who doesn't even attempt to cross the ball into defenders legs? ;)

Is it cos 'e is white? Aaaiiiiii.

Anyway i'm off to work...can someone talk some sense into mark... :wink:

[Neuromantic]

I think your forgetting the main point mark, I think if we had someone else who was better in that position we would do much much better, Si Brown (friend of ours) showed how to play on the wing, in terms of wing play saturday. If we replaced Wright (like we will do in the summer) with better quality then we will be a much better team for it.

[We-ARE-Walsall]

my main gripe, why does he never look up before he crosses a ball? it's schoolboy stuff!

If he looks up before he gets the ball, he doesn't need to... All he has to do is put in a rough area and he knows his strikers 'should' be attacking it. I think his crossing is one of his better points as it happens, its the constant running into his man that infuriates me.

not when there is a defender standing 2 yards from him it isnt

The point is Linda which most can't seem to grasp is that, he only needs one or two crosses to get into the right position in the WHOLE match to be effective.

Just like Butler and the other strikers only need to take a chance or two each to win the game. Not every cross has to be good, just like we don't expect Butler to take every chance, which he certainly didn't do during his huge baron spell.

See?

understand that but 7 or 8 good crosses would improve the chances of us scoring rather than 1 or 2

I don't dispute that Linda but as we have said countless times, Money asks his "wingers" to play narrow, which is why he picks Fox.

Wright does far more than Fox does in terms of getting crosses over.

ONCE AGAIN....Why don't the same people boo Fox who doesn't even attempt to cross the ball into defenders legs? ;)

Is it cos 'e is white? Aaaiiiiii.

I think the point Mark is trying to make.. Is that Walsall always have to have a scape goat, it has never been any different in all the time i have followed Walsall, they always boo certain players, yet others for no apparent reason are pardoned this privilage.


Wright is about as creative as it is going to get under DD, if he wasn't there, it would be someone more defensive like a right footed Fox. Who is never a left midfielder.

The whole team was tosh saturday, yet it was wright who recieved the boo boys anger, and their applause when he was taken off, even though it was the most ridiculous substitution i have ever seen in my life

If Wright gets the stick, then lets share it about a little eh ?

[Magic Man Fan]

I think your forgetting the main point mark, I think if we had someone else who was better in that position we would do much much better, Si Brown (friend of ours) showed how to play on the wing, in terms of wing play saturday. If we replaced Wright (like we will do in the summer) with better quality then we will be a much better team for it.

We replaced him with the best winger in League 2 apparently. His name, Tony Bedon't.

How do you rate him now Daz? Do you still want him to have more time?

Face it, the sensible posters on here are rarely wrong and can judge a player very well.

I see you choose to ignore my posts above like sid did. Do you not agree that Mark Wright's good points win us points, but his bad play doesn't lose us points? Only people who agree with that statement have a right to say he's not good enough for us. Anybody who agrees with that statement doesn't understand football as well as they think they do.

So what did Brown (your bestest buddy in the world) actually do more than Wright has on several occasions this season? Did he create 4/5 clear cut chances for his strikers that I missed? He did no more than Wright has done all season but just happened to be better on the day.

[Kiansmom]

my main gripe, why does he never look up before he crosses a ball? it's schoolboy stuff!

If he looks up before he gets the ball, he doesn't need to... All he has to do is put in a rough area and he knows his strikers 'should' be attacking it. I think his crossing is one of his better points as it happens, its the constant running into his man that infuriates me.

not when there is a defender standing 2 yards from him it isnt

The point is Linda which most can't seem to grasp is that, he only needs one or two crosses to get into the right position in the WHOLE match to be effective.

Just like Butler and the other strikers only need to take a chance or two each to win the game. Not every cross has to be good, just like we don't expect Butler to take every chance, which he certainly didn't do during his huge baron spell.

See?

understand that but 7 or 8 good crosses would improve the chances of us scoring rather than 1 or 2

I don't dispute that Linda but as we have said countless times, Money asks his "wingers" to play narrow, which is why he picks Fox.

Wright does far more than Fox does in terms of getting crosses over.

ONCE AGAIN....Why don't the same people boo Fox who doesn't even attempt to cross the ball into defenders legs? ;)

Is it cos 'e is white? Aaaiiiiii.

I'm not disputing the fact that Wright does more than Fox, I think I just get frustrated when he runs miles takes on people and then puts in a poor cross. I think he is better than that! BTW I've never booed him, I don't even boo Bedeau! :wink:

[ShropsSaddler]

Thank goodness some people are starting to talk sense on here!! I was beginning to think I had a "Fox" fixataion :shock: Wright, whether he's playing well or not offers an outlet, keeps width and asks for the ball when we're attacking and, despite his lack of tackling, always tracks back when we're defending. Fox on the other hand.....well, I don't need to say any more I don't think.

Actually MMF, I don't think it is to do with his colour.....over the last couple of seasons, there seems to be this perception that Fox is "one of the lads", a "wholehearted player" etc etc. I think it was because he was one of merson's favourites and got this reputation as being one of the ones who tried last season plus, of course, let's not forget that he can be very good at playing to the less intelligent elements in the crowd when it suits him (eg the Wrexham incident!). Added to which, he does seem to be "mates" with some important members of the squad (or at least, that's the impression I get) and walks all over the pitch shaking hands with every Walsall player before every match, as if that somehow makes him important to the team!!

Personally, I wouldn't have him at the club, let alone in the team. A second rate player who I suspect has completely the wrong attitude, fostered by his time under merson.

Oh look, I have got a Fox fixation! :twisted:

[Neuromantic]

I think your forgetting the main point mark, I think if we had someone else who was better in that position we would do much much better, Si Brown (friend of ours) showed how to play on the wing, in terms of wing play saturday. If we replaced Wright (like we will do in the summer) with better quality then we will be a much better team for it.

We replaced him with the best winger in League 2 apparently. His name, Tony Bedon't.

How do you rate him now Daz? Do you still want him to have more time?

Face it, the sensible posters on here are rarely wrong and can judge a player very well.

I see you choose to ignore my posts above like sid did. Do you not agree that Mark Wright's good points win us points, but his bad play doesn't lose us points? Only people who agree with that statement have a right to say he's not good enough for us. Anybody who agrees with that statement doesn't understand football as well as they think they do.

So what did Brown (your bestest buddy in the world) actually do more than Wright has on several occasions this season? Did he create 4/5 clear cut chances for his strikers that I missed? He did no more than Wright has done all season but just happened to be better on the day.

Well I obviously dont know anything abotu football then :roll:





Oops look under your legs again, Ive megged you again! :wink:

[saddlerken]

Great post Shrops!

Although he's a little better than you say :D

[ShropsSaddler]

Great post Shrops!

Although he's a little better than you say :D

Thanks Saddlerken.....do you really think he is? I thought I was being a bit lenient :wink:

[King Crimson]

Thank goodness some people are starting to talk sense on here!! I was beginning to think I had a "Fox" fixataion :shock: Wright, whether he's playing well or not offers an outlet, keeps width and asks for the ball when we're attacking and, despite his lack of tackling, always tracks back when we're defending. Fox on the other hand.....well, I don't need to say any more I don't think.

Actually MMF, I don't think it is to do with his colour.....over the last couple of seasons, there seems to be this perception that Fox is "one of the lads", a "wholehearted player" etc etc. I think it was because he was one of merson's favourites and got this reputation as being one of the ones who tried last season plus, of course, let's not forget that he can be very good at playing to the less intelligent elements in the crowd when it suits him (eg the Wrexham incident!). Added to which, he does seem to be "mates" with some important members of the squad (or at least, that's the impression I get) and walks all over the pitch shaking hands with every Walsall player before every match, as if that somehow makes him important to the team!!

Personally, I wouldn't have him at the club, let alone in the team. A second rate player who I suspect has completely the wrong attitude, fostered by his time under merson.

Oh look, I have got a Fox fixation! :twisted:

Why is Fox brilliant:

a) He was absolutely charming at the 'meet the players' session in the club shop this season.
b) He made 'that tackle' on Martin Butler when Butler was still the Devil Incarnate at Rotherham
c) He is a scouser
d) His name is one of the cheaper ones to purchase on your shirt at the club shop, and they rarely run out of 'F's and 'X's.
e) Erm, I've overstretched myself with (e)

Does anyone need more reasons than that! Get off his back for Christ's sake!!! :!:

:D

[ShropsSaddler]

Why is Fox brilliant:

a) He was absolutely charming at the 'meet the players' session in the club shop this season.
b) He made 'that tackle' on Martin Butler when Butler was still the Devil Incarnate at Rotherham
c) He is a scouser
d) His name is one of the cheaper ones to purchase on your shirt at the club shop, and they rarely run out of 'F's and 'X's.
e) Erm, I've overstretched myself with (e)

Does anyone need more reasons than that! Get off his back for Christ's sake!!! :!:

:D

:D

Very good Kc :D

Although, joking aside, b) is precisely the type of reason why some fans seem to think he's brilliant!!

Out of all of them, the most convincing argument you make is e) :D

[King Crimson]

Why is Fox brilliant:

a) He was absolutely charming at the 'meet the players' session in the club shop this season.
b) He made 'that tackle' on Martin Butler when Butler was still the Devil Incarnate at Rotherham
c) He is a scouser
d) His name is one of the cheaper ones to purchase on your shirt at the club shop, and they rarely run out of 'F's and 'X's.
e) Erm, I've overstretched myself with (e)

Does anyone need more reasons than that! Get off his back for Christ's sake!!! :!:

:D

:D

Very good Kc :D

Although, joking aside, b) is precisely the type of reason why some fans seem to think he's brilliant!!

Out of all of them, the most convincing argument you make is e) :D

(c) is the best reason.

[saddlerken]

Thanks Saddlerken.....do you really think he is? I thought I was being a bit lenient :wink:

Yes, he has got a good long range shot on him and defensively he is useful because he can head a ball (he is after all a defender) but other than that I completely fail to see why he get's away with being basically being utterly dross most of the time, his sidekick Taylor isn't much better and between them on Saturday their defending was pitiful (I thought that was why they played? :? )

Taylor looked like he was showing some arrogance in that first half, tut tut

[ShropsSaddler]

Thanks Saddlerken.....do you really think he is? I thought I was being a bit lenient :wink:

Yes, he has got a good long range shot on him and defensively he is useful because he can head a ball (he is after all a defender) but other than that I completely fail to see why he get's away with being basically being utterly dross most of the time, his sidekick Taylor isn't much better and between them on Saturday their defending was pitiful (I thought that was why they played? :? )

Taylor looked like he was showing some arrogance in that first half, tut tut

Oh yes, the shot...I'd forgotten that! Ok, I'll give you that one....a shot that really is lethal 1 in 100 times :)

Taylor - I think he'll always have that air of arrogance about him. I'd like to think that Mr Money has curbed it to some extent. Personally I think, given a half decent player further forward on the left, Taylor IS up to the job.

[Stu]

Well I obviously dont know anything abotu football then :roll:

Oops look under your legs again, Ive megged you again! :wink:

You said it, lol... Paul Merson proved you can play football and still be a lousy judge of a footballer, as have many top players before him.

Your ultimately missing the point. You rant on about the need to replace Mark Wright (like you say we'll do in the summer), its not about replacing Wright. Its about replacing Fox, to take the burden off Wright so he isn't expected to create so much in every single match. Then you'll see less pressure on Wright and probably even more output than you currently get.

[Magic Man Fan]

I think your forgetting the main point mark, I think if we had someone else who was better in that position we would do much much better, Si Brown (friend of ours) showed how to play on the wing, in terms of wing play saturday. If we replaced Wright (like we will do in the summer) with better quality then we will be a much better team for it.

We replaced him with the best winger in League 2 apparently. His name, Tony Bedon't.

How do you rate him now Daz? Do you still want him to have more time?

Face it, the sensible posters on here are rarely wrong and can judge a player very well.

I see you choose to ignore my posts above like sid did. Do you not agree that Mark Wright's good points win us points, but his bad play doesn't lose us points? Only people who agree with that statement have a right to say he's not good enough for us. Anybody who agrees with that statement doesn't understand football as well as they think they do.

So what did Brown (your bestest buddy in the world) actually do more than Wright has on several occasions this season? Did he create 4/5 clear cut chances for his strikers that I missed? He did no more than Wright has done all season but just happened to be better on the day.

Well I obviously dont know anything abotu football then :roll:





Oops look under your legs again, Ive megged you again! :wink:

Then just after the megs fell over when someone attempts to tackle you....the same thing you criticise Wright for. No?

Playing the game has nothing to do with understanding it. If you were as good as you think you are you wouldn't be struggling to get into a Boldmere team. ;)

Oh, sorry, you're injured aren't you?

You still didn't answer my question. Do you think Wright's bad points lose us more points than his good points win us? Will anyone answer?

[Neuromantic]

Nope, neither do Fox's ;)