Brexit Breakfast

[swampysaddler]

:?: :?: :?:

He has.
I have.
Other have.

You just choose not to accept it. You've linked to the BBC (guess they're in favour for the short time that they suit your purposes) which appears to be acceptable as 'evidence'. You appear to want to have an evidence cake and eat it.
The conclusions of the CBI are evidence, the government report into the damage of Brexit is evidence, the comments made by the Japanese ambassador is evidence. They happened and are real.

Either set your personal bar at resultant economic impacts of Brexit that have occurred thus far (all negative eg fall in the pound, rise of inflation, uncertainty in business and investment, companies gearing up to leave, or leaving, imports becoming more expensive), OR you go with media interviews, comments, editorials and accept all of these as evidence (mostly negative, but with some wishful thinking / optimistic theorising / hopeful daydreaming)

But you CAN'T HAVE BOTH. Select your parameters with care.

Another gobshite.
Come on then provide links where I can read all about us heading for a big almighty crash and burn.
And I don't mean forecasts for 15 years time or predictions for 20 years time I mean evidence and readable proof that this mistake we made is happening.
Your an intelligent man Saigon, what is hard about providing links to back up your claims ?
I have provided a link to more investment, yes it came off the BBC but the same story was also on SKY and ITV, so I asking you now to return the favor.

[swampysaddler]

:?: :?: :?:

He has.
I have.
Other have.

You just choose not to accept it. You've linked to the BBC (guess they're in favour for the short time that they suit your purposes) which appears to be acceptable as 'evidence'. You appear to want to have an evidence cake and eat it.
The conclusions of the CBI are evidence, the government report into the damage of Brexit is evidence, the comments made by the Japanese ambassador is evidence. They happened and are real.

Either set your personal bar at resultant economic impacts of Brexit that have occurred thus far (all negative eg fall in the pound, rise of inflation, uncertainty in business and investment, companies gearing up to leave, or leaving, imports becoming more expensive), OR you go with media interviews, comments, editorials and accept all of these as evidence (mostly negative, but with some wishful thinking / optimistic theorising / hopeful daydreaming)

But you CAN'T HAVE BOTH. Select your parameters with care.

He's too embarrassed to state his reasons for voting Brexit.

So are they all, it seems.

:lol:

Listen fudge I voted the way I wanted to vote.
Just because you can't back your gob up, and you are beginning to sound desperate because your being made to look the fool you are, you are diverting to "why did you vote that way".
Have I asked you why you voted remain ? No.
Why ? Cos I couldn't give a monkey's toss why you backed a dead horse.
Talk about embarrassed. If I was you I would take a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG HARD look in the mirror.

[swampysaddler]

Looks like Batman and Robin, our resident snowflakes have gone into meltdown mode :lol:

You can't actually join in the debate and have to resort to insults too Pinnacle.

What is it with you Brexiters?

I've been civil to you in particular but you choose to pop up with puerile insults to prolong your embarrassment.

Same questions to you.

No doubt you won't answer (like Cully, Cowshed, Swampy et al).

Or are you too embarrassed too?

This is not a playground by the way - this is the future of our country.

I have been civil with you.
I have made a simple request for you to back your claims up, which you have NOT been able to.

[SaigonSaddler]

I'm going to let all this slide Swamps, basically because it was all posted at 2am and you were ranting.

If you want to formulate a meaningful point, then do so again, but please do read the other contributions as they already address most of your queries.

[chestersaddler]

Listen fudge I voted the way I wanted to vote.
Just because you can't back your gob up, and you are beginning to sound desperate because your being made to look the fool you are, you are diverting to "why did you vote that way".
Have I asked you why you voted remain ? No.
Why ? Cos I couldn't give a monkey's toss why you backed a dead horse.
Talk about embarrassed. If I was you I would take a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG HARD look in the mirror.

I have been civil with you

:D

[SaigonSaddler]

Listen fudge I voted the way I wanted to vote.
Just because you can't back your gob up, and you are beginning to sound desperate because your being made to look the fool you are, you are diverting to "why did you vote that way".
Have I asked you why you voted remain ? No.
Why ? Cos I couldn't give a monkey's toss why you backed a dead horse.
Talk about embarrassed. If I was you I would take a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG HARD look in the mirror.

I have been civil with you

:D

A lot must have happened between 2.07 and 2.08 this morning. :D

[Cowshed]

But the biggest deception is this: we could easily have taken back control of our borders already under European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC, which allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves.

I'm still pondering over your dubious car park analogy. But getting your facts straight before posting seems to be more pertinent. We had the choice all along, Brexit is irrelevant.

Errrr ... oh, I .... erm. I'll try deflecting ... erm. Oh.

It's another fact that you didn't know / couldn't be bothered to find out. We always had the power.

And 'Whoomph' another Brexit misconception disintegrates into ash.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Next! :arrow:

Why is it that people with something to say that is of little interest resort to increasing the size of font or volume as if it makes the point more valuable

Some people do this frequently

Heavens above please spare us from any more of this

g o w i - get on with it

[SaigonSaddler]

Dunno.

Either way your immigration / Brexit point has sunk without trace.

[Manchester Saddler]

You haven't got a clue have you Swampy?

Your stalling tactics speak volumes.

Tons of positive evidence against Brexit and you simply ignore it because your blinkered view stops you.

Blind to the world.

How do you cope?

Lots of links and you don't read them at all!
Ironic that the latest "evidence" seems to be German! :lol:

I'm tempted to start calling you Mr Magoo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8GTHXTEvIc

Must do better!

Also you don't understand quid pro quo either.

:lol:

One word EVIDENCE.
Don't see it being provided. Still waiting and you claim I am stalling. Just provide it and back up your claims !
Oh that's right you can't because you rely on your mates down the pub changing their minds and assumptions and predictions.

Provide please.

Quite easily thank you. How do you cope knowing you flogged a dead horse in remain and no matter how many dummies you spit we are leaving ?
And it is me that is blind.

Lot's of links also provided, by myself of investment in the country despite your doom and gloom predictions and info off your mates down the boozer

What's wrong ? Doesn't investment by a European company bode well with all the doom predicted by yourself ? Suck it up buttercup. Just another plus that I have PROVEN to you.

And there is the difference between me and you Manchester.
If I claim something I prove it, with that word that must sin in your house, EVIDENCE(I have made it that big so you can definately see it).

Call me what you what, I have been called a lot worse than Mr Magoo, water off a ducks back.
You can end all this with one simple post providing evidence to back up your claims Brexit is evil and the worse mistake ever made, but you won't.
For the simple reason you CAN'T back up your claims.
Just mouth, assumptions and predictions that so far have all been proven wrong.

:lol:

What an uncoordinated rant!

Your refusal to read and digest the reams of evidence suggest that you are living in a cave.

Oh - and you haven't been that civil either. I can forgive that though.

Based on past experience, I can surmise exactly why you voted Brexit.

Quid pro quo Swampy!

:D

[Manchester Saddler]

But the biggest deception is this: we could easily have taken back control of our borders already under European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC, which allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves.

I'm still pondering over your dubious car park analogy. But getting your facts straight before posting seems to be more pertinent. We had the choice all along, Brexit is irrelevant.

Errrr ... oh, I .... erm. I'll try deflecting ... erm. Oh.

It's another fact that you didn't know / couldn't be bothered to find out. We always had the power.

And 'Whoomph' another Brexit misconception disintegrates into ash.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Next! :arrow:

Why is it that people with something to say that is of little interest resort to increasing the size of font or volume as if it makes the point more valuable

Some people do this frequently

Heavens above please spare us from any more of this

g o w i - get on with it

Like Swampy, I've worked out why you voted Brexit too. It's a similar (and slightly less flawed) reason.

I'm looking forward to reading more about these new Megacities that have popped up since 2010. I'm a bit worried about leaving the house actually because of the thousands of immigrants crowding the streets of Manchester. Perhaps I can move to one of your Megacities - what are they called again?

:lol:

:wink:

[shrewsbury saddler]

Yeah. I think we can all take a guess at what those private reasons are for a vote nevertheless still publicly defended. In the past they've led to rants and bans. The problem they've got is not so much pinko bleeding hearts, as that those in charge of negotiations are economic liberals who see demographic movement as necessary for, and subordinate to, an unfettered free market.

[Manchester Saddler]

If you feel insulted by my calling you Batman :lol: :lol: then you are more precious than i thought.
Nite Nite !

How's the hangover, Pinnacle? :D :wink:

I don't mind being called Batman - it's better than what you have called me in the past. :D :wink:

Again - with you, given your track record, I know why you voted Brexit too. Your reluctance to actually state it for the record is understandable given the circumstances.

That's okay.

I'm clearly not going to get an answer on why Brexit is so great but I can guess why you think it is.

I know that you and I are around the same age and I think you're longing for the past, a Britain seen through rose tinted glasses from the 1960's and 1970's. I guess everything from the 1980's onwards has passed you by like a bad dream. Fundamentally that's one of the reasons why we are different. I want to the bigger picture - the global view - the future and you and others of your ilk are quite content to hibernate in a Britain of the past while I want to spend the rest of my time opening myself up to the world and encouraging the next generation to do exactly the same.

Brexiters - you know since we joined the EU, we have thrived. We have climbed the world ladder and, before the vote, were the 5th greatest nation in the world according to GDP.

If the EU is so bad, why are we where we are?

It's telling that we are now 6th since the vote. I realise that Swampy and others like him will not regard this as "evidence" even though it clearly is.

No matter, Like I said, I know why you all voted the way you did. I think simple pride stops you from taking heed of the economic changes that have happened since June 2016; none of you seem to be able to cope with being proved wrong, choosing instead to simply ignore the evidence in front of you.

I will continue my quest to find out why Brexit appears to be so good. I am not going away! :D

I'm a patient guy.

If any Brexiters have a change of heart then please let me know.

Oh - and a request to the mods? Please don't remove this thread. When I say "I told you so" (with a heavy heart) I just want some evidence. I don't expect Brexiters to read or understand it though.

Oh - and Cully - I'm still waiting for you - it's been weeks now. :D :wink:

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

Probably the most arrogant patronising post I've read on here.

[SaigonSaddler]

Probably the most arrogant patronising post I've read on here.

Even trumping your remainers are unpatriotic post?

[Manchester Saddler]

Probably the most arrogant patronising post I've read on here.

You've clearly not read many posts then. Try some of Pinnacles on this thread. :D

[Exile]

Perhaps one of the leave voters could take the time to explain what 'leave' means. What can we expect?

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

I'll do that.

A new dawn and better future.

[Exile]

I'll do that.

A new dawn and better future.

How so?

[SaigonSaddler]

I'll do that.

A new dawn and better future.

How so?

Pah ... who needs facts and evidence when you have RHETORIC??? Lovely, Brexit rhetoric!

PS ... stop talking the country down!

:D

[PINNACLE]

Oh look, it's Friday night and always easy to tell when Pineapple's had a drink.

He'll be back later with some grotesque bumbling incoherence, just before disappearing up his own backside for a few days.

See you Thursday ya Weirdo! :D :wink:

OK, get me a pint in :D

[SaigonSaddler]

Oh look, it's Friday night and always easy to tell when Pineapple's had a drink.

He'll be back later with some grotesque bumbling incoherence, just before disappearing up his own backside for a few days.

See you Thursday ya Weirdo! :D :wink:

OK, get me a pint in :D

:D :wink:

[Wragbyred]

Just over 12 months before the Golden Day , better start thinking about booking a room for the party!

[Wragbyred]

Just noticed, that’s a Friday, what a weekend that promises to be!!

[SaigonSaddler]

[Exile]

Exile, Manchester, Saigon give us Leave voters hard evidence of the shithole this country is going to become and we might, just might, start listening to your arguments.
At the moment all you are providing are "predictions and forecasts".
We can all make predictions and forecasts, I predict I will win the Prediction League. I will make a forecast as well, it will rain in February.
See where I am going here, I am right on one. That's what predictions and forecasts are, pot fudge luck.
And as far as I can see all the predictions and forecasts (BY YOUR SO CALLED EXPERTS) since June 2016 have been proven WRONG.
So come on Manchester, Saigon, Exile give me proof of our demise !

I await but Germany are producing this and France are producing that, well done to them, but they are NOT Britain.
Do I care what Pierre produces or Helmut makes ? No not really

The trouble with hard evidence is you have to wait for it to come, and the UK hasn't actually left Europe yet.

The most obvious thing would be to point to the collapse of the pound against all major currencies when it became clear that the country had voted to leave. The financial markets recognise a crock when they see one, and even now, the pound hasn't recovered to anything resembling pre-vote levels.

Then there's the fractures in the Union, with the DUP deal complicating matters in Ireland, and renewed muttering in Scotland, who voted to remain in a union just before Britain voted out.

The finance companies, banking, insurance, etc., are all scrambling to find new European headquarters so they can continue to transact with the EU instead of being marginalised. While not yet in effect, they are positioning themselves to carry out all European business offshore, with consequent losses to the economy and jobs in the U.K. (And, possibly, tax take, although most of that is shelled offshore anyway, but that's another story).

I don't know what Helmut or Pierre are up to, sorry, suffice to say that economic growth in both France and Germany has been greater than in the UK since the vote to leave the EU. Forecasts indicate this state of affairs will continue, with UK growth being slower. The economic impact of this is already more than the £350mm a week promised to the NHS.

So, what's so great about leaving? You voted for it, swampy, so why not tell us all about the glorious future that awaits us on the fringes of the European continent after we pull up the drawbridge?

Still waiting for one of proponents of Brexit to come up with something convincing.

It’s a bit hard trying to remain civil in the face of such passive-aggressive avoidance of the issue. Still, in order to maintain the moral high ground I suppose I’d better keep trying...

[chunkster]

Those pesky thick Italians have been at it, they have only gone and given those rascals the “ 5 Star anti euro movement 32.5% of their votes :o , do they realise that it will be Vesuvius all over again-if they should dare to give the country a vote on exiting Europe and they vote out :?

[chunkster]

Exile, Manchester, Saigon give us Leave voters hard evidence of the shithole this country is going to become and we might, just might, start listening to your arguments.
At the moment all you are providing are "predictions and forecasts".
We can all make predictions and forecasts, I predict I will win the Prediction League. I will make a forecast as well, it will rain in February.
See where I am going here, I am right on one. That's what predictions and forecasts are, pot fudge luck.
And as far as I can see all the predictions and forecasts (BY YOUR SO CALLED EXPERTS) since June 2016 have been proven WRONG.
So come on Manchester, Saigon, Exile give me proof of our demise !

I await but Germany are producing this and France are producing that, well done to them, but they are NOT Britain.
Do I care what Pierre produces or Helmut makes ? No not really

The trouble with hard evidence is you have to wait for it to come, and the UK hasn't actually left Europe yet.

The most obvious thing would be to point to the collapse of the pound against all major currencies when it became clear that the country had voted to leave. The financial markets recognise a crock when they see one, and even now, the pound hasn't recovered to anything resembling pre-vote levels.

Then there's the fractures in the Union, with the DUP deal complicating matters in Ireland, and renewed muttering in Scotland, who voted to remain in a union just before Britain voted out.

The finance companies, banking, insurance, etc., are all scrambling to find new European headquarters so they can continue to transact with the EU instead of being marginalised. While not yet in effect, they are positioning themselves to carry out all European business offshore, with consequent losses to the economy and jobs in the U.K. (And, possibly, tax take, although most of that is shelled offshore anyway, but that's another story).

I don't know what Helmut or Pierre are up to, sorry, suffice to say that economic growth in both France and Germany has been greater than in the UK since the vote to leave the EU. Forecasts indicate this state of affairs will continue, with UK growth being slower. The economic impact of this is already more than the £350mm a week promised to the NHS.

So, what's so great about leaving? You voted for it, swampy, so why not tell us all about the glorious future that awaits us on the fringes of the European continent after we pull up the drawbridge?

Still waiting for one of proponents of Brexit to come up with something convincing.

It’s a bit hard trying to remain civil in the face of such passive-aggressive avoidance of the issue. Still, in order to maintain the moral high ground I suppose I’d better keep trying...

please don’t :mrgreen:

[SaigonSaddler]

Exile, Manchester, Saigon give us Leave voters hard evidence of the shithole this country is going to become and we might, just might, start listening to your arguments.
At the moment all you are providing are "predictions and forecasts".
We can all make predictions and forecasts, I predict I will win the Prediction League. I will make a forecast as well, it will rain in February.
See where I am going here, I am right on one. That's what predictions and forecasts are, pot fudge luck.
And as far as I can see all the predictions and forecasts (BY YOUR SO CALLED EXPERTS) since June 2016 have been proven WRONG.
So come on Manchester, Saigon, Exile give me proof of our demise !

I await but Germany are producing this and France are producing that, well done to them, but they are NOT Britain.
Do I care what Pierre produces or Helmut makes ? No not really

The trouble with hard evidence is you have to wait for it to come, and the UK hasn't actually left Europe yet.

The most obvious thing would be to point to the collapse of the pound against all major currencies when it became clear that the country had voted to leave. The financial markets recognise a crock when they see one, and even now, the pound hasn't recovered to anything resembling pre-vote levels.

Then there's the fractures in the Union, with the DUP deal complicating matters in Ireland, and renewed muttering in Scotland, who voted to remain in a union just before Britain voted out.

The finance companies, banking, insurance, etc., are all scrambling to find new European headquarters so they can continue to transact with the EU instead of being marginalised. While not yet in effect, they are positioning themselves to carry out all European business offshore, with consequent losses to the economy and jobs in the U.K. (And, possibly, tax take, although most of that is shelled offshore anyway, but that's another story).

I don't know what Helmut or Pierre are up to, sorry, suffice to say that economic growth in both France and Germany has been greater than in the UK since the vote to leave the EU. Forecasts indicate this state of affairs will continue, with UK growth being slower. The economic impact of this is already more than the £350mm a week promised to the NHS.

So, what's so great about leaving? You voted for it, swampy, so why not tell us all about the glorious future that awaits us on the fringes of the European continent after we pull up the drawbridge?

Still waiting for one of proponents of Brexit to come up with something convincing.

It’s a bit hard trying to remain civil in the face of such passive-aggressive avoidance of the issue. Still, in order to maintain the moral high ground I suppose I’d better keep trying...

please don’t, as I have nothing substantive to put forward. :mrgreen:

FTFY :mrgreen:

[chunkster]

Exile, Manchester, Saigon give us Leave voters hard evidence of the shithole this country is going to become and we might, just might, start listening to your arguments.
At the moment all you are providing are "predictions and forecasts".
We can all make predictions and forecasts, I predict I will win the Prediction League. I will make a forecast as well, it will rain in February.
See where I am going here, I am right on one. That's what predictions and forecasts are, pot fudge luck.
And as far as I can see all the predictions and forecasts (BY YOUR SO CALLED EXPERTS) since June 2016 have been proven WRONG.
So come on Manchester, Saigon, Exile give me proof of our demise !

I await but Germany are producing this and France are producing that, well done to them, but they are NOT Britain.
Do I care what Pierre produces or Helmut makes ? No not really

The trouble with hard evidence is you have to wait for it to come, and the UK hasn't actually left Europe yet.

The most obvious thing would be to point to the collapse of the pound against all major currencies when it became clear that the country had voted to leave. The financial markets recognise a crock when they see one, and even now, the pound hasn't recovered to anything resembling pre-vote levels.

Then there's the fractures in the Union, with the DUP deal complicating matters in Ireland, and renewed muttering in Scotland, who voted to remain in a union just before Britain voted out.

The finance companies, banking, insurance, etc., are all scrambling to find new European headquarters so they can continue to transact with the EU instead of being marginalised. While not yet in effect, they are positioning themselves to carry out all European business offshore, with consequent losses to the economy and jobs in the U.K. (And, possibly, tax take, although most of that is shelled offshore anyway, but that's another story).

I don't know what Helmut or Pierre are up to, sorry, suffice to say that economic growth in both France and Germany has been greater than in the UK since the vote to leave the EU. Forecasts indicate this state of affairs will continue, with UK growth being slower. The economic impact of this is already more than the £350mm a week promised to the NHS.

So, what's so great about leaving? You voted for it, swampy, so why not tell us all about the glorious future that awaits us on the fringes of the European continent after we pull up the drawbridge?

Still waiting for one of proponents of Brexit to come up with something convincing.

It’s a bit hard trying to remain civil in the face of such passive-aggressive avoidance of the issue. Still, in order to maintain the moral high ground I suppose I’d better keep trying...

please don’t, as I have nothing substantive to put forward. :mrgreen:

FTFY :mrgreen:

:lol: where is the finger emoji :lol:

[Manchester Saddler]

Still waiting for one of proponents of Brexit to come up with something convincing.

It’s a bit hard trying to remain civil in the face of such passive-aggressive avoidance of the issue. Still, in order to maintain the moral high ground I suppose I’d better keep trying...

You won't get anything.

I have been civil and polite and been called loads of names like patronising, arrogant, snowflake, dopey, thick, boring, desperate for the UK to fail, treasonous, undemocratic, a loony leftie (even though it isn't a left v right thing), a preacher, a liar, Batman ( :? ), an ostrich, self-righteous, hysterical, obsessed, irrational, stupid, supercilious, having a small brain, illogical, having a superiority complex and clueless and those are the only ones I can recall.,

I've been told to "suck it up buttercup" (whatever the hell that means), shut the f**k up and get over it and some that are bordering on worse.

Yet amongst that vitriol, not one good thing about leaving.

As I said in a previous post - it's kind of obvious why people voted leave (Megacities - :lol: ).

I still want to know from ANYBODY why Brexit is a good thing.

This thread is heading for 30 pages and they have nothing.

Mind you, they are not alone - no non-UTSers have told me anything of substance either.

We all know why BJ thinks it's good - it furthers his political career,

We all know why Rees-Mogg thinks it's good - he stands to make a fortune out of Brexit.

But what good will it do for you and I folks? The ordinary people?

Maybe we can demolish one or two Megacities when the EU nationals go back to the safety of the EU and then sell the bricks to them.

:D :wink: