Brexit Breakfast

[Wragbyred]

Believe me, if the UK economy crumbles post-Brexit (should Brexit happen) I for one won't enjoy posting "I told you so" at all

Come on Manchester, surely you can be more pessimistic and negative than that!
Don’t you mean “when”?

The optimist in me hopes that Brexit will be reversed.

:D

Not going to happen Manc, not going to happen

[PINNACLE]

So now we have it as fact that Barnier is looking to punish us for daring to leave ! Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see this has been happening for a long time so its actually quite noble of him to admit it.
Where does this leave our remainers ?
Are they happy that we are being threatened by a foreign power ?
Will they themselves join the treasonous rabble to undermine this sovereign nation ?
Will anyone of us give a damn about what they think as they get into bed with the people who are trying to punish us because they cannot get their own way ?
Will anyone please give Manc an answer to shut him up as he thinks that this historic journey is all about him ?
Will Saigon wait until Manc has posted and then quickly answer to fawn all over his post as he hasn't got a thought of his own ?

Just a thought :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

So now we have it as fact that Barnier is looking to punish us for daring to leave ! Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see this has been happening for a long time so its actually quite noble of him to admit it.
Where does this leave our remainers ?
Are they happy that we are being threatened by a foreign power ?
Will they themselves join the treasonous rabble to undermine this sovereign nation ?
Will anyone of us give a damn about what they think as they get into bed with the people who are trying to punish us because they cannot get their own way ?
Will anyone please give Manc an answer to shut him up as he thinks that this historic journey is all about him ?
Will Saigon wait until Manc has posted and then quickly answer to fawn all over his post as he hasn't got a thought of his own ?

Just a thought :wink:

Dunno Brian, but I'm going to wait until Mancs *sigh* has posted before proffering my humble view.

:D

[Manchester Saddler]

So now we have it as fact that Barnier is looking to punish us for daring to leave ! Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see this has been happening for a long time so its actually quite noble of him to admit it.
Where does this leave our remainers ?
Are they happy that we are being threatened by a foreign power ?
Will they themselves join the treasonous rabble to undermine this sovereign nation ?
Will anyone of us give a damn about what they think as they get into bed with the people who are trying to punish us because they cannot get their own way ?
Will anyone please give Manc an answer to shut him up as he thinks that this historic journey is all about him ?
Will Saigon wait until Manc has posted and then quickly answer to fawn all over his post as he hasn't got a thought of his own ?

Just a thought :wink:

I don't think we're being punished, Pinnacle. What do you expect to happen when we are threatening to leave the customs union and single market? It's basically the EU protecting itself and it's members. When you leave a club you lose all privileges.

Where does it leave Remainers? It leaves me wanting to halt Brexit and say sorry for the madness of the last 20 months!

Threatened? What exactly are WE doing?

This sovereign nation will be worse off. I love the UK and I want to see it prosper. In my mind, Brexiteers are the problem and will make UK citizens suffer in years to come.

It is US who are leaving. THE EU ARE NOT THROWING US OUT! if they were then I would be a bit angry, But, from a personal perspective, I am angry that Brexiteers have effectively shot the UK in the foot for reasons that are - well - unfathomable.

I extend my questions to you, Pinnacle. pop back a page or two and check them out - I asked Cully. It's been nearly a week and I still have no answer from him - or anybody else!

If Brexit is so great then TELL ME WHY?

So simple!!

This historic journey is like Dante's Inferno as we all march through the levels of Hell. It's not all about me - it's about the UK and we are and will suffer.

Unless you can convince me otherwise.

Saigon is my nemesis (when it comes to the Prediction League)! He certainly doesn't fawn all over me though deep down he knows that I am far superior to him :D :wink:

Come on, Pinnacle. Persuade me.

We can chat about it at our therapy sessions if you like.

:D :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

So now we have it as fact that Barnier is looking to punish us for daring to leave ! Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see this has been happening for a long time so its actually quite noble of him to admit it.
Where does this leave our remainers ?
Are they happy that we are being threatened by a foreign power ?
Will they themselves join the treasonous rabble to undermine this sovereign nation ?
Will anyone of us give a damn about what they think as they get into bed with the people who are trying to punish us because they cannot get their own way ?
Will anyone please give Manc an answer to shut him up as he thinks that this historic journey is all about him ?
Will Saigon wait until Manc has posted and then quickly answer to fawn all over his post as he hasn't got a thought of his own ?

Just a thought :wink:

I don't think we're being punished, Pinnacle. What do you expect to happen when we are threatening to leave the customs union and single market? It's basically the EU protecting itself and it's members. When you leave a club you lose all privileges.

Where does it leave Remainers? It leaves me wanting to halt Brexit and say sorry for the madness of the last 20 months!

Threatened? What exactly are WE doing?

This sovereign nation will be worse off. I love the UK and I want to see it prosper. In my mind, Brexiteers are the problem and will make UK citizens suffer in years to come.

It is US who are leaving. THE EU ARE NOT THROWING US OUT! if they were then I would be a bit angry, But, from a personal perspective, I am angry that Brexiteers have effectively shot the UK in the foot for reasons that are - well - unfathomable.

I extend my questions to you, Pinnacle. pop back a page or two and check them out - I asked Cully. It's been nearly a week and I still have no answer from him - or anybody else!

If Brexit is so great then TELL ME WHY?

So simple!!

This historic journey is like Dante's Inferno as we all march through the levels of Hell. It's not all about me - it's about the UK and we are and will suffer.

Unless you can convince me otherwise.

Saigon is my nemesis (when it comes to the Prediction League)! He certainly doesn't fawn all over me though deep down he knows that I am far superior to him :D :wink:

Come on, Pinnacle. Persuade me.

We can chat about it at our therapy sessions if you like.

:D :wink:

A brilliant response from Manchester there Pinnacle.

I'd like to add something to it but he's covered everything really proficiently.

I bet you wish you could be more like him. I wish you could be more like him too.

:D

[swampysaddler]

So now we have it as fact that Barnier is looking to punish us for daring to leave ! Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see this has been happening for a long time so its actually quite noble of him to admit it.
Where does this leave our remainers ?
Are they happy that we are being threatened by a foreign power ?
Will they themselves join the treasonous rabble to undermine this sovereign nation ?
Will anyone of us give a damn about what they think as they get into bed with the people who are trying to punish us because they cannot get their own way ?
Will anyone please give Manc an answer to shut him up as he thinks that this historic journey is all about him ?
Will Saigon wait until Manc has posted and then quickly answer to fawn all over his post as he hasn't got a thought of his own ?

Just a thought :wink:

I don't think we're being punished, Pinnacle. What do you expect to happen when we are threatening to leave the customs union and single market? It's basically the EU protecting itself and it's members. When you leave a club you lose all privileges.

Where does it leave Remainers? It leaves me wanting to halt Brexit and say sorry for the madness of the last 20 months!

Threatened? What exactly are WE doing?

This sovereign nation will be worse off. I love the UK and I want to see it prosper. In my mind, Brexiteers are the problem and will make UK citizens suffer in years to come.

It is US who are leaving. THE EU ARE NOT THROWING US OUT! if they were then I would be a bit angry, But, from a personal perspective, I am angry that Brexiteers have effectively shot the UK in the foot for reasons that are - well - unfathomable.

I extend my questions to you, Pinnacle. pop back a page or two and check them out - I asked Cully. It's been nearly a week and I still have no answer from him - or anybody else!

If Brexit is so great then TELL ME WHY?

So simple!!

This historic journey is like Dante's Inferno as we all march through the levels of Hell. It's not all about me - it's about the UK and we are and will suffer.

Unless you can convince me otherwise.

Saigon is my nemesis (when it comes to the Prediction League)! He certainly doesn't fawn all over me though deep down he knows that I am far superior to him :D :wink:

Come on, Pinnacle. Persuade me.

We can chat about it at our therapy sessions if you like.

:D :wink:

Where to begin. I shall start.

Really. So these un-elected (did I vote them in or did you ? No) Europeans are now telling us that the transition period is not set in stone unless it is their way ! Very democratic. Do as I say ! Bollocks.

Never going to happen. You know that, I know that even my dog knows that.

So us that used our democratic right and made a choice are the problem ! Right so what exactly is your solution to us being the problem ? Deport us ? Have us all hung, drawn and quartered ? Make us vote again and again and again until we vote to keep you happy ?


That's why within minutes of you posting your lap dog is there nodding in agreement

You are the one that needs therapy Manchester, and take your nodding dog with you, and hopefully they will be able to install into your brain that WE are leaving the EU, we are leaving the Customs Union, we are leaving the Single Market and that Brexit will have little or no effect on my trip abroad this April. Or next year or the year after that or the year after that. In fact in 15 years time it will have no effect, bit like the predictions you keep airing.

[swampysaddler]

And await The Ladyboy to reply quoting "June 2016".
Saigon you are about as funny as getting AIDS.

[Cowshed]

Believe me, if the UK economy crumbles post-Brexit (should Brexit happen) I for one won't enjoy posting "I told you so" at all

Come on Manchester, surely you can be more pessimistic and negative than that!
Don’t you mean “when”?

The optimist in me hopes that Brexit will be reversed.

:D

That ship has sailed Manchester


However Brino will be reversed- hers Gorra gew

Any way off to sunny Blackpool to sample the delights for possibly the last time before the resort is swamped with millions of brits who won't be going to Spain due to beer prices.

Possibly the funniest remoaning post of all time - ever :lol:

[Manchester Saddler]

And await The Ladyboy to reply quoting "June 2016".
Saigon you are about as funny as getting AIDS.

Come on Swampy lad - there's no need for that. Don't you think it's nice to have a civil discussion without reverting to insults?

[Manchester Saddler]

Where to begin. I shall start.

Really. So these un-elected (did I vote them in or did you ? No) Europeans are now telling us that the transition period is not set in stone unless it is their way ! Very democratic. Do as I say ! Bollocks.

Never going to happen. You know that, I know that even my dog knows that.

So us that used our democratic right and made a choice are the problem ! Right so what exactly is your solution to us being the problem ? Deport us ? Have us all hung, drawn and quartered ? Make us vote again and again and again until we vote to keep you happy ?


That's why within minutes of you posting your lap dog is there nodding in agreement

You are the one that needs therapy Manchester, and take your nodding dog with you, and hopefully they will be able to install into your brain that WE are leaving the EU, we are leaving the Customs Union, we are leaving the Single Market and that Brexit will have little or no effect on my trip abroad this April. Or next year or the year after that or the year after that. In fact in 15 years time it will have no effect, bit like the predictions you keep airing.

A simple search on Google will tell you that you are 100% wrong about the "unelected" bit. I keep on telling you but it's almost as if you cannot understand the words - or you are ignoring them because you can't face the facts.

We elected them. We elected MEP's. Arch-Brexiteer Nigel Farage is an MEP. MEP stands for Member of the European Parliament. They vote on things.

Compare that to the UK. We elect MPs. However we DO NOT ELECT MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS yet they have a say over UK policy.

The EU is more democratic than the UK.

Think of the EU as a club, Swampy. If you are a member of a club then you get full access to it's facilities and privileges for a fee. If you choose to stop being a member as we have chosen not to be a member of the EU then all of the clubs privileges and facilities are no longer available to you. It's a simple analogy and deep down you know that it is a correct one.

We are one nation in the EU. The EU consists of 27 other nations. It is absolutely logical that when we leave we leave and we will lose all the good things about the EU.

Why can't you see that? You are in total denial. It's as clear as day.

The more we delve into Brexit and it's consequences, the scarier it becomes. It was already pretty scary but the situation with the border with Ireland, the trade, the movement etc. and the incompetence and naivety of our Brexit negotiators makes it terrifying. it will only get worse and my hope is that we will see that, pop our heads out of the sand in our caves and walk out to see the light.

I still maintain that a lot of Brexiteers used the EU vote as a protest vote against David Cameron's government - or were persuaded by the lies told by the Brexiteer Brigade or simply didn't know the consequences. I am trying to educate them in my own little way so my hope is that I can persuade some of the more moderate Brexiteers that they made a mistake. My hope also is that some Brexiteers realise for themselves that it is a mistake and join the Remainers in trying to get the decision fully reversed. I know several Brexiteers that have changed their minds - and I reckon Remain would win if we had another referendum. I don't know any Remainers who have changed their minds.

The therapy thing is a bit of banter between Pinnacle and I (I do have a sense of humour - you seem to have lost yours with all these insults flying around). It's interesting that your holiday abroad is to Gibraltar, a British stronghold in Spain whose future is uncertain because of Brexit and who overwhelmingly (96%) voted to Remain.

Oh - and you hate "predictions" yet you predict that we will be okay next year, the year after that etc. etc.

How do you know?

And why oh why oh why can't you tell me?

That's all I ask.

Oh and I'm still waiting for you, Cully, too. It's been a week now with no response. Can't say I'm surprised because you rarely post anything of substance.

[SaigonSaddler]

And await The Ladyboy to reply quoting "June 2016".
Saigon you are about as funny as getting AIDS.

Come on Swampy lad - there's no need for that. Don't you think it's nice to have a civil discussion without reverting to insults?

:D

There's a law of diminishing returns at work here and Little Lord Swampington's outbursts lose all sense of potency when they become an anticipated part of his repertoire.

The young lad knows where I'll be, and precisely what date and time to discuss the Walsall meetings so he has the opportunity to say what he wants to my face. Will he be bothered enough to attend? Will he introduce himself? Will he be as pugnacious and objectionable in the flesh?

I think we all know the answer.

[Manchester Saddler]

So can anyone explain to me why BoJo's quote "Brexit gives hope" is valid?

What are these "hopes"?

I don't anticipate an answer but I thought I would try ...

[chestersaddler]

I have today found a benefit of leaving the EU. Labour have announced that they will ban imports of foie gras once we are out :D

[chunkster]

I have today found a benefit of leaving the EU. Labour have announced that they will ban imports of foie gras once we are out :D

One of the things i have refused to order on any menu the cruel french barstewards :evil:

[PT]

I’ve thought of a potential one. Could we reverse the Bosman rule?

[Exile]

I’ve thought of a potential one. Could we reverse the Bosman rule?

Depends on the terms of the Brexit. Soft Brexit is a definite no, hard Brexit is a maybe.

[shrewsbury saddler]

[quote="PT"]I’ve thought of a potential one. Could we reverse the Bosman rule?[/quote

I've wondered the same thing about Kolpak in cricket.

[scott_powell]

All I see on this thread are people passing off predictions as facts to strengthen their own arguments. We haven't even left yet, wait and see what happens.

Eagerly awaits a Manc <sigh> or a PINNACLE rant :lol: :D

[BarnsleySaddler]

I see Bo Jo has had his say. Follow me over the top it will be fine! The sun will be shining, believe in me. Yeah right.

[Manchester Saddler]

All I see on this thread are people passing off predictions as facts to strengthen their own arguments. We haven't even left yet, wait and see what happens.

Eagerly awaits a Manc <sigh> or a PINNACLE rant :lol: :D

:D

I only quote facts - and I don't rant (well occasionally!).

:wink:

[swampysaddler]

All I see on this thread are people passing off predictions as facts to strengthen their own arguments. We haven't even left yet, wait and see what happens.

Eagerly awaits a Manc <sigh> or a PINNACLE rant :lol: :D

:D

I only quote unproven facts and predictions off experts who are continuously proven wrong - and I don't rant (well occasionally!).

:wink:

Corrected that for you :mrgreen:

[PINNACLE]

All I see on this thread are people passing off predictions as facts to strengthen their own arguments. We haven't even left yet, wait and see what happens.

Eagerly awaits a Manc <sigh> or a PINNACLE rant :lol: :D

:D

I only quote facts - and I don't rant (well occasionally!).

:wink:

I don't rant ( well occasionally i do) but i just like to keep people in their place as some on here are well above their station and need a reality check :wink:

[Manchester Saddler]

All I see on this thread are people passing off predictions as facts to strengthen their own arguments. We haven't even left yet, wait and see what happens.

Eagerly awaits a Manc <sigh> or a PINNACLE rant :lol: :D

:D

I only quote facts - and I don't rant (well occasionally!).

:wink:

I don't rant ( well occasionally i do) but i just like to keep people in their place as some on here are well above their station and need a reality check :wink:

I only rant when you do Pinnacle (hence the therapy) . I know my place - always right. You're welcome to join me - your life will be so much better,

:D :wink:

[Exile]

All I see on this thread are people passing off predictions as facts to strengthen their own arguments. We haven't even left yet, wait and see what happens.

Eagerly awaits a Manc <sigh> or a PINNACLE rant :lol: :D

:D

I only quote unproven facts and predictions off experts who are continuously proven wrong - and I don't rant (well occasionally!).

:wink:

I remodelled that so that it fits my preconceived ideas :mrgreen:

Fixed THAT for you. :mrgreen:

[PINNACLE]

All I see on this thread are people passing off predictions as facts to strengthen their own arguments. We haven't even left yet, wait and see what happens.

Eagerly awaits a Manc <sigh> or a PINNACLE rant :lol: :D

:D

I only quote facts - and I don't rant (well occasionally!).

:wink:

I don't rant ( well occasionally i do) but i just like to keep people in their place as some on here are well above their station and need a reality check :wink:

I only rant when you do Pinnacle (hence the therapy) . I know my place - always right. You're welcome to join me - your life will be so much better,

:D :wink:

I know my place - always right
And there in a nutshell is where we have definitive proof that you cannot debate with such people!
The politics of membership of the dictatorship that is the corrupt EU is slowly but surely unravelling and only fools are still clinging on to the meagre hope that they foolishly cling onto.
We have reached a stage now that we do not and never will have to explain or justify our reasons for voting as we did. We are leaving and we do not need to let anyone know why we voted as we did (PM me and i will give you my personal reasons for my leave vote if i think you are worthy of my time)
The result and transition period is now just a minor irrelevance of the final outcome which is what the majority of people who voted leave wanted.
None of us know what he future holds so its no good pretending that we are all politicians or financial experts because your opinion is as worthless as mine or certain other posters on here. We are out so lets all embrace the new future and shut up the constant doom mongers once and for all.
Decent point at Gillingham today even though its sent my coupon down...UTS

[chunkster]

I wonder what the past kings of england would have done to comrade Corbin for his treacherous behavior? i don't know about leading the labour party, he should be overlooking the tower of london minus his body :|

[swampysaddler]

Compliments of Twitter.

UK is ALREADY exporting...

Ice to the Scandinavians
Cheese to the French
Tea to the Chinese
Chocolate to the Belgians and Swiss
Wine to the South Africans
Boomerangs and cricket kit to the Aussies

I think we'll do just fine after Brexit :wink:

[Manchester Saddler]

All I see on this thread are people passing off predictions as facts to strengthen their own arguments. We haven't even left yet, wait and see what happens.

Eagerly awaits a Manc <sigh> or a PINNACLE rant :lol: :D

:D

I only quote facts - and I don't rant (well occasionally!).

:wink:

I don't rant ( well occasionally i do) but i just like to keep people in their place as some on here are well above their station and need a reality check :wink:

I only rant when you do Pinnacle (hence the therapy) . I know my place - always right. You're welcome to join me - your life will be so much better,

:D :wink:

I know my place - always right
And there in a nutshell is where we have definitive proof that you cannot debate with such people!
The politics of membership of the dictatorship that is the corrupt EU is slowly but surely unravelling and only fools are still clinging on to the meagre hope that they foolishly cling onto.
We have reached a stage now that we do not and never will have to explain or justify our reasons for voting as we did. We are leaving and we do not need to let anyone know why we voted as we did (PM me and i will give you my personal reasons for my leave vote if i think you are worthy of my time)
The result and transition period is now just a minor irrelevance of the final outcome which is what the majority of people who voted leave wanted.
None of us know what he future holds so its no good pretending that we are all politicians or financial experts because your opinion is as worthless as mine or certain other posters on here. We are out so lets all embrace the new future and shut up the constant doom mongers once and for all.
Decent point at Gillingham today even though its sent my coupon down...UTS

That was just a bit of banter, Pinnacle. Has all of this Brexit debating taken away your sense of humour and your ability to detect sarcasm? :D :wink:

Of course I know I am not always right, which is why there is an open invitation to all Brexiteers on this or indeed ANY forum to persuade me that Brexit is the best thing ever to have happened to the UK.

Your post confirms to me that you are unable or unwilling to give me your reasons for fear that you will be ridiculed. I suspect "unable" if I'm honest but the offer still stands. I don't like discussing things in private - I would rather let others join in the debate. My offer still stands.

I can't say further than that. If, on the other hand you really are too embarrassed to discuss your reasons publicly, then please PM me and I will be the soul of discretion. :D

While you are on - please can you (or anybody else) tell me why the EU is "corrupt"? Can you also give me your sources for the EU showing their true colours?

Or is it something that you accuse me of, i.e. pure speculation based on flawed information from the Daily Mail? I suspect it is.

I will embrace the new future when I know that it is safe.

Everything - absolutely everything points to the UK being MUCH WORSE OFF after Brexit. Current economic trends, current political trends.

You can read about it. The government have reported on it.

What I find hilarious is that uber-Brexiteers like Jacob Rees-Mogg say that such reports are ignored or are wrong anyway and that the Treasury are fiddling the figures. This is hilarious for many reasons, chief amongst them being that Rees-Mogg will profit massively from Brexit and if reports are such a waste of time and always wrong - then why do they even bother wasting the time and money to initiate them in the first place?

Pinnacle, my offers stand. I know you want me to go away or even better suddenly agree with you but neither is going to happen. Unless of course you open up to me.

Like I said, I am not always right - please please please prove me wrong!

:D

[Manchester Saddler]

I wonder what the past kings of england would have done to comrade Corbin for his treacherous behavior? i don't know about leading the labour party, he should be overlooking the tower of london minus his body :|

:lol: :lol:

Paul Dacre's pawn!!

From wikipedia:

Lord Rothermere was a friend of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, and directed the Mail's editorial stance towards them in the early 1930s. Rothermere's 1933 leader "Youth Triumphant" praised the new Nazi regime's accomplishments, and was subsequently used as propaganda by them. In it, Rothermere predicted that "The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bestowing upon Germany". Journalist John Simpson, in a book on journalism, suggested that Rothermere was referring to the violence against Jews and Communists rather than the detention of political prisoners.

Rothermere and the Mail were also editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. Rothermere wrote an article titled "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" in January 1934, praising Mosley for his "sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine", and pointing out that: "Young men may join the British Union of Fascists by writing to the Headquarters, King's Road, Chelsea, London, S.W."

The Spectator condemned Rothermere's article commenting that, "... the Blackshirts, like the Daily Mail, appeal to people unaccustomed to thinking. The average Daily Mail reader is a potential Blackshirt ready made. When Lord Rothermere tells his clientele to go and join the Fascists some of them pretty certainly will."

The Daily Mail's ability to preach hatred is legendary. People go on about extremist Muslim clerics but this rag has over the years printed all manner of terrible lies. Their history is full of "treasonous" viewpoints.

A word of advice - stop reading it. Also stop reading the Daily Express too. Or maybe just stop believing it all. I have to confess that I do read it just for giggles and to try to understand why they hate everybody who is left of Thatcher. Struggling though.

:D

[Manchester Saddler]

Compliments of Twitter.

UK is ALREADY exporting...

Ice to the Scandinavians
Cheese to the French
Tea to the Chinese
Chocolate to the Belgians and Swiss
Wine to the South Africans
Boomerangs and cricket kit to the Aussies

I think we'll do just fine after Brexit :wink:

The UK already has trade deals with other countries even though we are in the EU.

For example, we have been selling arms to the middle east and America for donkeys years.

Tell me why post-Brexit that will be better!