Brexit Breakfast

[PINNACLE]

:lol:

I know - I LOVED the use of the word "humiliated".

The funny thing is, Pinnacle didn't even think of the reasons himself - and it's only the opinion of one bloke.

Kudos to Pinnacle for posting it though. At least he tried.

:D

Thanks for those kind words (i think)
I made it perfectly clear in my post that i had lifted it from another page and that it was written far more eloquently than i could ever have hoped to achieve.
The very nature of this thread is for posters to say exactly what they need or want to say with out being demonised by someone with an alternative view point.
We who voted to leave the EEC will have our say but will not be bullied by your posts that always end in "well you haven't given ME a good reason yet, you haven't explained to ME how it will be better ! Sorry to shatter your delusions of grandeur snowflake but its not all about you and what you think, nobody needs to explain anything at all to YOU. You vastly underestimate the will and the disdain of the people, to people like yourself. You are entitled to your point of view and in a democracy that is what i applaud...but...please desist from finishing every post you make with a virtual summons that everyone should answer you as soon as possible. Sorry Manc but it does not work like that, if they want to they will.They will never have to because you deem it so. Not one poster on here has to do anything, their views are theirs and theirs alone. You have no answers yourself really, just a one trick leftist pony that thinks he knows better. Well that's my thoughts for tonight and they are never really going to change.
See you at the therapy clinic :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

I don't tend to listens to "experts", they rarely are correct are they?

Now answer my replies about your "experts", surely you can agree that "they" are never always correct?

Rarely correct, or never always correct? :?:

It seems that you voted leave 'because experts'.

The classic line 'Pah, experts, what do they know anyway?' was from Gove, and is as utterly absurd now as it was then. Experts in their specialised fields do generally have more of an insight than average, the clue being their name. There's been a toleration of 'alternative facts' in recent years, which I'd invite you not to succumb to.

I don't know anyone who predicted that the world would literally end in June 2016, but no-body who was well informed did, just that Brexit was a stinkingly bad idea. And guess what, they were right. The information is out there, it simply requires the will to access it.

[swampysaddler]

Wrag you are wasting your time mate.
I have posted on here numerous occasions of positives i.e companies investing in the UK despite Brexit.
Prime example Boeing but it gets belittled by those that think the light shines out of the arse's of the corrupt EU. They have to try and link it to an ALDI store opening. The term I am looking for is "clutching at straws" because they are being proved wrong.
As for Manchester's experts, these are the same experts that claimed we would go into financial meltdown in June 2016 if we voted Leave have you seen that happen ? I haven't.
Obviously it doesn't bode well with MS, SS, ChesterSaddler because they can't see the light after the EU, I can and it is a lot more rosy than it was whilst we was in the EU.
As for it will increase our time at passport control, I will let you know on 1/4 this year when I fly to Gibraltar.
Reasons I voted Leave, main reason immigration. Also high on my priorities was not being ruled by a court outside of the UK.
MS, SS, Chester I don't know whether you lot are on Twitter, if not get on there.
Your hero Michel Barnier preaching that we can issue Article 49 if we wish (application to join the EU), yet again the term is clutching at straws because the gravy train known as the UK is leaving.

[swampysaddler]

I don't tend to listens to "experts", they rarely are correct are they?

Now answer my replies about your "experts", surely you can agree that "they" are never always correct?

Rarely correct, or never always correct? :?:

It seems that you voted leave 'because experts'.

The classic line 'Pah, experts, what do they know anyway?' was from Gove, and is as utterly absurd now as it was then. Experts in their specialised fields do generally have more of an insight than average, the clue being their name. There's been a toleration of 'alternative facts' in recent years, which I'd invite you not to succumb to.

I don't know anyone who predicted that the world would literally end in June 2016, but no-body who was well informed did, just that Brexit was a stinkingly bad idea. And guess what, they were right. The information is out there, it simply requires the will to access it.

The same information that said we would crash and burn..........................................still fudge waiting 18 months down the line.

[SaigonSaddler]

I don't tend to listens to "experts", they rarely are correct are they?

Now answer my replies about your "experts", surely you can agree that "they" are never always correct?

Rarely correct, or never always correct? :?:

It seems that you voted leave 'because experts'.

The classic line 'Pah, experts, what do they know anyway?' was from Gove, and is as utterly absurd now as it was then. Experts in their specialised fields do generally have more of an insight than average, the clue being their name. There's been a toleration of 'alternative facts' in recent years, which I'd invite you not to succumb to.

I don't know anyone who predicted that the world would literally end in June 2016, but no-body who was well informed did, just that Brexit was a stinkingly bad idea. And guess what, they were right. The information is out there, it simply requires the will to access it.

The same information that said we would crash and burn..........................................still fudge waiting 18 months down the line.

What do you think failure actually looks like?
Dead bodies piling up in the street? Cos let me tell you, that isn't going to happen. But you've set your own personal Brexit bar so high that you can convince yourself that everything is fine and dandy.

The information is out there, the reality is out there. But it takes a tiny effort to engage with it and comprehend the avoidable mess that Brexit has become.

[SaigonSaddler]

Wrag you are wasting your time mate.
I have posted on here numerous occasions of positives i.e companies investing in the UK despite Brexit.
Prime example Boeing but it gets belittled by those that think the light shines out of the arse's of the corrupt EU. They have to try and link it to an ALDI store opening. The term I am looking for is "clutching at straws" because they are being proved wrong.
As for Manchester's experts, these are the same experts that claimed we would go into financial meltdown in June 2016 if we voted Leave have you seen that happen ? I haven't.
Obviously it doesn't bode well with MS, SS, ChesterSaddler because they can't see the light after the EU, I can and it is a lot more rosy than it was whilst we was in the EU.
As for it will increase our time at passport control, I will let you know on 1/4 this year when I fly to Gibraltar.
Reasons I voted Leave, main reason immigration. Also high on my priorities was not being ruled by a court outside of the UK.
MS, SS, Chester I don't know whether you lot are on Twitter, if not get on there.
Your hero Michel Barnier preaching that we can issue Article 49 if we wish (application to join the EU), yet again the term is clutching at straws because the gravy train known as the UK is leaving.

Firstly, investment isn't a 'positive of Brexit' as investment happens in every single country no matter what state they are in. There's investment in North Korea, so park that cack right there.

Your June meltdown crap has become even more laughable than it was when you began your ranting fit. Did the world end in June 2016 or something? Perhaps in your mind. This is now the very epitome of a cack argument.

What else? Some gibbering about immigration - LOL that's why you voted out? What effect does it have on areas outside the EU again? Absolutely naff all.

But 'gravy train'. fudge clueless.

[swampysaddler]

Saigon I am asking you know please show me all the doom and gloom predictions, off experts who have been proven wrong, have materialized !
Please, as Manchester would say, give me proof !
That is all I am asking.
Not predictions from so called experts, which have been proven wrong, but hard evidence !
Come on. You ask why we voted Leave and proof that why we are still, as a country, aspiring, so I am asking you for the same.
Provide me with hard evidence that we are in the cack.
I won't hold my breath. I will be in the QE again.

Not hard is it.
You and Manchester ask us for positives (which have been provided even with links to the EBBCU) so let's turn it round.
Show me I was wrong voting Leave, give me hard evidence !

[swampysaddler]

Wrag you are wasting your time mate.
I have posted on here numerous occasions of positives i.e companies investing in the UK despite Brexit.
Prime example Boeing but it gets belittled by those that think the light shines out of the arse's of the corrupt EU. They have to try and link it to an ALDI store opening. The term I am looking for is "clutching at straws" because they are being proved wrong.
As for Manchester's experts, these are the same experts that claimed we would go into financial meltdown in June 2016 if we voted Leave have you seen that happen ? I haven't.
Obviously it doesn't bode well with MS, SS, ChesterSaddler because they can't see the light after the EU, I can and it is a lot more rosy than it was whilst we was in the EU.
As for it will increase our time at passport control, I will let you know on 1/4 this year when I fly to Gibraltar.
Reasons I voted Leave, main reason immigration. Also high on my priorities was not being ruled by a court outside of the UK.
MS, SS, Chester I don't know whether you lot are on Twitter, if not get on there.
Your hero Michel Barnier preaching that we can issue Article 49 if we wish (application to join the EU), yet again the term is clutching at straws because the gravy train known as the UK is leaving.

Firstly, investment isn't a 'positive of Brexit' as investment happens in every single country no matter what state they are in. There's investment in North Korea, so park that cack right there.

Your June meltdown crap has become even more laughable than it was when you began your ranting fit. Did the world end in June 2016 or something? Perhaps in your mind. This is now the very epitome of a cack argument.

What else? Some gibbering about immigration - LOL that's why you voted out? What effect does it have on areas outside the EU again? Absolutely naff all.

But 'gravy train'. fudge clueless.

Are you sure your name isn't Jean ?

[swampysaddler]

Wrag you are wasting your time mate.
I have posted on here numerous occasions of positives i.e companies investing in the UK despite Brexit.
Prime example Boeing but it gets belittled by those that think the light shines out of the arse's of the corrupt EU. They have to try and link it to an ALDI store opening. The term I am looking for is "clutching at straws" because they are being proved wrong.
As for Manchester's experts, these are the same experts that claimed we would go into financial meltdown in June 2016 if we voted Leave have you seen that happen ? I haven't.
Obviously it doesn't bode well with MS, SS, ChesterSaddler because they can't see the light after the EU, I can and it is a lot more rosy than it was whilst we was in the EU.
As for it will increase our time at passport control, I will let you know on 1/4 this year when I fly to Gibraltar.
Reasons I voted Leave, main reason immigration. Also high on my priorities was not being ruled by a court outside of the UK.
MS, SS, Chester I don't know whether you lot are on Twitter, if not get on there.
Your hero Michel Barnier preaching that we can issue Article 49 if we wish (application to join the EU), yet again the term is clutching at straws because the gravy train known as the UK is leaving.

Firstly, investment isn't a 'positive of Brexit' as investment happens in every single country no matter what state they are in. There's investment in North Korea, so park that cack right there.

Your June meltdown crap has become even more laughable than it was when you began your ranting fit. Did the world end in June 2016 or something? Perhaps in your mind. This is now the very epitome of a cack argument.

What else? Some gibbering about immigration - LOL that's why you voted out? What effect does it have on areas outside the EU again? Absolutely naff all.

But 'gravy train'. fudge clueless.

No what happened in June 2016 was that democracy happened and 52% (winning majority) voted Leave.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[swampysaddler]

Wrag you are wasting your time mate.
I have posted on here numerous occasions of positives i.e companies investing in the UK despite Brexit.
Prime example Boeing but it gets belittled by those that think the light shines out of the arse's of the corrupt EU. They have to try and link it to an ALDI store opening. The term I am looking for is "clutching at straws" because they are being proved wrong.
As for Manchester's experts, these are the same experts that claimed we would go into financial meltdown in June 2016 if we voted Leave have you seen that happen ? I haven't.
Obviously it doesn't bode well with MS, SS, ChesterSaddler because they can't see the light after the EU, I can and it is a lot more rosy than it was whilst we was in the EU.
As for it will increase our time at passport control, I will let you know on 1/4 this year when I fly to Gibraltar.
Reasons I voted Leave, main reason immigration. Also high on my priorities was not being ruled by a court outside of the UK.
MS, SS, Chester I don't know whether you lot are on Twitter, if not get on there.
Your hero Michel Barnier preaching that we can issue Article 49 if we wish (application to join the EU), yet again the term is clutching at straws because the gravy train known as the UK is leaving.

Firstly, investment isn't a 'positive of Brexit' as investment happens in every single country no matter what state they are in. There's investment in North Korea, so park that cack right there.

Your June meltdown crap has become even more laughable than it was when you began your ranting fit. Did the world end in June 2016 or something? Perhaps in your mind. This is now the very epitome of a cack argument.

What else? Some gibbering about immigration - LOL that's why you voted out? What effect does it have on areas outside the EU again? Absolutely naff all.

But 'gravy train'. fudge clueless.

Oh but sunshine it is happening in this country even though, according to the Guardian and all those that voted Remain, we are on our way to the abyss.
How dare us evil little low life peasant's vote against Saigon's, Manchester's idyllic lifestyle of having Junkner's words in their mouth.

[swampysaddler]

I have two words for this thread "Financial Armageddon".
Come on Manchester, Saigon where is it ?
I have been sat waiting 18 months.
I am getting a bit impatient now.
Don't promise what you can't deliver.
Financial experts that carry out opinion polls in Kensington only (look it up on Twitter it is all there to see) is like me asking did the bear cack in the woods ? fudge pointless.
Come out of the bubble of Sadiq, I love terrorism, Khan and ask the rest of the UK.
Let's see the result then.
I have been reading "experts views" as well Manchester, the majority are leaning towards Leave.
But my "experts" don't count. They don't tow your line !

[Manchester Saddler]

Thanks for those kind words (i think)
I made it perfectly clear in my post that i had lifted it from another page and that it was written far more eloquently than i could ever have hoped to achieve.
The very nature of this thread is for posters to say exactly what they need or want to say with out being demonised by someone with an alternative view point.
We who voted to leave the EEC will have our say but will not be bullied by your posts that always end in "well you haven't given ME a good reason yet, you haven't explained to ME how it will be better ! Sorry to shatter your delusions of grandeur snowflake but its not all about you and what you think, nobody needs to explain anything at all to YOU. You vastly underestimate the will and the disdain of the people, to people like yourself. You are entitled to your point of view and in a democracy that is what i applaud...but...please desist from finishing every post you make with a virtual summons that everyone should answer you as soon as possible. Sorry Manc but it does not work like that, if they want to they will.They will never have to because you deem it so. Not one poster on here has to do anything, their views are theirs and theirs alone. You have no answers yourself really, just a one trick leftist pony that thinks he knows better. Well that's my thoughts for tonight and they are never really going to change.
See you at the therapy clinic :wink:

Yes - I know you made it perfectly clear - but that's not the point. I doubt very much that you read that bloke's words and thought "That's why I shall vote Brexit!".

Let me just clarify - I am not demanding that anybody give me their reasons. I am merely asking. If I meet a new person I don't DEMAND their name - I ask them. There is a difference.

If you were on Question Time and asked a question of one of the panel about Brexit, I am sure that David Dimbleby would say to you "And why did you vote Brexit?" - And I am sure that you would answer him. I am merely doing the same. There is no hidden agenda here - I am genuinely interested as to why you think I am a "snowflake" (that's kind of a derogatory term actually - not really sure why you keep doing this!), why you think I am wrong and why you think I should "get over it" - while supplying no reason.

One final point, Brexit is not a left versus right thing. I keep saying this because it is true. The Prime Minister herself, a rampant Tory, is actually a Remainer. I actually find myself agreeing with two people I despise - David Cameron and George Osborne. There are also lefties who want to leave.

We should all keep the left versus right argument out of this discussion really.

Don't you think that if you really want me to stop talking about this Brexiteers should at least try to persuade me to change my views?

I do like to be persuaded and I do like to see both sides of the argument.

And I have been known to change my views.

That's all I am asking.

Let's talk about Walsall when we go to therapy, shall we? Or maybe not! :D :wink:

[Manchester Saddler]

Wow, Swampy-lad - a lot stuff there to think about! Let me see if I can extract some points.

(1) Investment - companies have been investing in Britain while we were in the EU before Brexit happened. For example - the Chinese. Some companies may still choose to invest in Britain BUT if you read around, world business is generally waiting to see what happens because they fear that we will prove to be a bad investment after Brexit has happened. This relates to the "armageddon" theme. We haven't left yet and we are growing less as an economy than the EU - MUCH less in fact. After the result, the business world panicked - the pound plummeted. Share prices plummeted. This is a sign of things to come. Everybody is waiting to see what type of deal we get before deciding. I will say it again - we are still in the EU and the negotiations are ongoing. We haven't left yet. Companies are already talking about moving to the EU. They won't do it yet because there is still a chance that Brexit won't happen. When it does happen (if it happens) we will see the affects. That is what business is saying.

(2) Immigration - this is a big reason that a lot of people voted leave - nothing to do with the future prosperity of the UK. One thing that realy makes me smile about this is that ultimately Brexit will not affect immigration one bit. The government already states that we welcome immigration and that immigration is a good thing. Even Boris the Brexiteer!! But be aware of this - Switzerland and Norway are not in the EU yet, in order to get a great trade deal, they have to embrace freedom of movement. If we want a trade deal and access to the single market (which seems ever likely) we will have to do this. More interestingly, Theresa May has spoken to India about a future trade deal and one of their negotiation tactics used by India was more freedom of movement between India and the UK. Other countries will demand this too. China, who I mentioned above regarding investments, also have relaxed their migration restrictions to give both countries more freedom of movement. Immigration will not go down as a result of Brexit. Read around on the subject - it's there.

There are probably a lot more nuggets to read in your later posts but I'll leave it there for now.

One thing I spotted you wrote - " have been reading "experts views" as well Manchester, the majority are leaning towards Leave. "

Can you give me some details about this please? I would be interested to know why you think that the swingometer is drfiting towards Leave.

:D

[chestersaddler]

Wrag you are wasting your time mate.
I have posted on here numerous occasions of positives i.e companies investing in the UK despite Brexit.
Prime example Boeing but it gets belittled by those that think the light shines out of the arse's of the corrupt EU. They have to try and link it to an ALDI store opening. The term I am looking for is "clutching at straws" because they are being proved wrong.
As for Manchester's experts, these are the same experts that claimed we would go into financial meltdown in June 2016 if we voted Leave have you seen that happen ? I haven't.
Obviously it doesn't bode well with MS, SS, ChesterSaddler because they can't see the light after the EU, I can and it is a lot more rosy than it was whilst we was in the EU.
As for it will increase our time at passport control, I will let you know on 1/4 this year when I fly to Gibraltar.
Reasons I voted Leave, main reason immigration. Also high on my priorities was not being ruled by a court outside of the UK.
MS, SS, Chester I don't know whether you lot are on Twitter, if not get on there.
Your hero Michel Barnier preaching that we can issue Article 49 if we wish (application to join the EU), yet again the term is clutching at straws because the gravy train known as the UK is leaving.

I am also flying into Gibralter on 1/4 :D I was in and out of there 3 or 4 times over Christmas and New Year and it was as quiet as usual, however, it's a moot point as we are still in the club. Interesting that you quote Gibralter that voted 96% to remain.

It is all light and no tunnel for me Swampy. Every week I read news that convinces me we will not be jumping off the cliff. Very clever people in power will not let it happen. I reckon we wont see much difference when this is all done. And if there
is I will exercise my democratic right to get my Irish passport and remain a citizen of the Europe. :D

Pleased that you see it all rosy though - hope you are right.
.
PS - Twitter is not for me i'm afraid.

[chestersaddler]

Saigon

Maybe the citizens of other countries do not give a monkeys, but the EU establishment does and so do many of the EU member country governments.. A strong UK in a strong EU has benefits for all of us in my view.

My avatar might give you a clue which way I voted btw. :wink:

There can still be a strong uk and a strong eu in my view

As for the Uk establishment brexit is the gift that is going to keep on giving - for the next 20 years politicians can pin any negative news on brexit and yet it was the people that wanted it not the politicians -believe me they will pass this through quickly


As for the Eu establishment apparently they don't care so we won't hear a peep from them

Time for a new avatar soon

It will be interesting to watch it all unfold over the next 5-10 years. Always prepared, I have a few replacement avatars in my back pocket :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

Swamps - you're just ranting now, all your points have been covered at length on this thread.

You've created your own extremely high level of Brexit failure, and when the reality doesn't match it, you're claiming Brexit as a triumph. But we're still at the beginning of the process.

As a football analogy, it's like a making a prediction of a 7-0 tanking, then when you losing 2-0 at HT, gobbing off about being the best team.

[Manchester Saddler]

Interesting phone conversation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygWpDsv1NZA

[Manchester Saddler]

If you have the patience, Brexiteers, this makes interesting listening ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2H7pQjVEKg

[PINNACLE]

Thanks for those kind words (i think)
I made it perfectly clear in my post that i had lifted it from another page and that it was written far more eloquently than i could ever have hoped to achieve.
The very nature of this thread is for posters to say exactly what they need or want to say with out being demonised by someone with an alternative view point.
We who voted to leave the EEC will have our say but will not be bullied by your posts that always end in "well you haven't given ME a good reason yet, you haven't explained to ME how it will be better ! Sorry to shatter your delusions of grandeur snowflake but its not all about you and what you think, nobody needs to explain anything at all to YOU. You vastly underestimate the will and the disdain of the people, to people like yourself. You are entitled to your point of view and in a democracy that is what i applaud...but...please desist from finishing every post you make with a virtual summons that everyone should answer you as soon as possible. Sorry Manc but it does not work like that, if they want to they will.They will never have to because you deem it so. Not one poster on here has to do anything, their views are theirs and theirs alone. You have no answers yourself really, just a one trick leftist pony that thinks he knows better. Well that's my thoughts for tonight and they are never really going to change.
See you at the therapy clinic :wink:

Yes - I know you made it perfectly clear - but that's not the point. I doubt very much that you read that bloke's words and thought "That's why I shall vote Brexit!".

Let me just clarify - I am not demanding that anybody give me their reasons. I am merely asking. If I meet a new person I don't DEMAND their name - I ask them. There is a difference.

If you were on Question Time and asked a question of one of the panel about Brexit, I am sure that David Dimbleby would say to you "And why did you vote Brexit?" - And I am sure that you would answer him. I am merely doing the same. There is no hidden agenda here - I am genuinely interested as to why you think I am a "snowflake" (that's kind of a derogatory term actually - not really sure why you keep doing this!), why you think I am wrong and why you think I should "get over it" - while supplying no reason.

One final point, Brexit is not a left versus right thing. I keep saying this because it is true. The Prime Minister herself, a rampant Tory, is actually a Remainer. I actually find myself agreeing with two people I despise - David Cameron and George Osborne. There are also lefties who want to leave.

We should all keep the left versus right argument out of this discussion really.

Don't you think that if you really want me to stop talking about this Brexiteers should at least try to persuade me to change my views?

I do like to be persuaded and I do like to see both sides of the argument.

And I have been known to change my views.

That's all I am asking.

Let's talk about Walsall when we go to therapy, shall we? Or maybe not! :D :wink:

I think after all this time we are going to have to agree to disagree, neither of us knows the future so its pointless on both our behalves to speculate. I bear you no ill feelings and apologise if i may have over stepped the mark with my criticism of your posts but my beliefs will remain intact whatever happens. Boy this "GENTLEMAN JACK" is good stuff... :lol:

[Guest]

James O'Brien - the lone media voice in the wilderness of Brexit. (He says.)

[Manchester Saddler]

Thanks for those kind words (i think)
I made it perfectly clear in my post that i had lifted it from another page and that it was written far more eloquently than i could ever have hoped to achieve.
The very nature of this thread is for posters to say exactly what they need or want to say with out being demonised by someone with an alternative view point.
We who voted to leave the EEC will have our say but will not be bullied by your posts that always end in "well you haven't given ME a good reason yet, you haven't explained to ME how it will be better ! Sorry to shatter your delusions of grandeur snowflake but its not all about you and what you think, nobody needs to explain anything at all to YOU. You vastly underestimate the will and the disdain of the people, to people like yourself. You are entitled to your point of view and in a democracy that is what i applaud...but...please desist from finishing every post you make with a virtual summons that everyone should answer you as soon as possible. Sorry Manc but it does not work like that, if they want to they will.They will never have to because you deem it so. Not one poster on here has to do anything, their views are theirs and theirs alone. You have no answers yourself really, just a one trick leftist pony that thinks he knows better. Well that's my thoughts for tonight and they are never really going to change.
See you at the therapy clinic :wink:

Yes - I know you made it perfectly clear - but that's not the point. I doubt very much that you read that bloke's words and thought "That's why I shall vote Brexit!".

Let me just clarify - I am not demanding that anybody give me their reasons. I am merely asking. If I meet a new person I don't DEMAND their name - I ask them. There is a difference.

If you were on Question Time and asked a question of one of the panel about Brexit, I am sure that David Dimbleby would say to you "And why did you vote Brexit?" - And I am sure that you would answer him. I am merely doing the same. There is no hidden agenda here - I am genuinely interested as to why you think I am a "snowflake" (that's kind of a derogatory term actually - not really sure why you keep doing this!), why you think I am wrong and why you think I should "get over it" - while supplying no reason.

One final point, Brexit is not a left versus right thing. I keep saying this because it is true. The Prime Minister herself, a rampant Tory, is actually a Remainer. I actually find myself agreeing with two people I despise - David Cameron and George Osborne. There are also lefties who want to leave.

We should all keep the left versus right argument out of this discussion really.

Don't you think that if you really want me to stop talking about this Brexiteers should at least try to persuade me to change my views?

I do like to be persuaded and I do like to see both sides of the argument.

And I have been known to change my views.

That's all I am asking.

Let's talk about Walsall when we go to therapy, shall we? Or maybe not! :D :wink:

I think after all this time we are going to have to agree to disagree, neither of us knows the future so its pointless on both our behalves to speculate. I bear you no ill feelings and apologise if i may have over stepped the mark with my criticism of your posts but my beliefs will remain intact whatever happens. Boy this "GENTLEMAN JACK" is good stuff... :lol:

Okay - but if you do feel the need to open up, I'm listening.

:D

[Manchester Saddler]

James O'Brien - the lone media voice in the wilderness of Brexit. (He says.)

I think a lot of people in the media are afraid to speak out against "the will of the people". James O'Brien is interesting to listen to - particularly when he goes up against hard-line Brexiteers.

[SaigonSaddler]

Is this what you wanted, Wrexiteers?
Is this what you voted for?

Quote/: Brexit: UK has already 'agreed in principle' with EU to Norway-style transition

The suggestion that Theresa May’s team has all but swallowed the transition proposal from Brussels will anger Conservative MPs, who believe it leaves Britain a “vassal state” for some two years after Brexit.

During that period, the UK would have full access to the single market, adhere to free movement rules and those of the customs union and follow edicts from the European Court of Justice.
The UK would also continue to pay into the EU budget, but will not have any voting rights or a seat at the European Council – a situation akin to Norway’s current relationship with the EU. //

To sum up ... Britain the vassal state with looming, self-inflicted economic challenges and subject to the decisions of the EU, without any say in it whatsoever. Rodney you plonker! :oops: :oops: :oops:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 73076.html

[Exile]

Is this what you wanted, Wrexiteers?
Is this what you voted for?

Quote/: Brexit: UK has already 'agreed in principle' with EU to Norway-style transition

The suggestion that Theresa May’s team has all but swallowed the transition proposal from Brussels will anger Conservative MPs, who believe it leaves Britain a “vassal state” for some two years after Brexit.

During that period, the UK would have full access to the single market, adhere to free movement rules and those of the customs union and follow edicts from the European Court of Justice.
The UK would also continue to pay into the EU budget, but will not have any voting rights or a seat at the European Council – a situation akin to Norway’s current relationship with the EU. //

To sum up ... Britain the vassal state with looming, self-inflicted economic challenges and subject to the decisions of the EU, without any say in it whatsoever. Rodney you plonker! :oops: :oops: :oops:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 73076.html

You mean, like, paying to be part of the EU but giving up our voting rights, and -more importantly- our veto? :shock:

[SaigonSaddler]

Is this what you wanted, Wrexiteers?
Is this what you voted for?

Quote/: Brexit: UK has already 'agreed in principle' with EU to Norway-style transition

The suggestion that Theresa May’s team has all but swallowed the transition proposal from Brussels will anger Conservative MPs, who believe it leaves Britain a “vassal state” for some two years after Brexit.

During that period, the UK would have full access to the single market, adhere to free movement rules and those of the customs union and follow edicts from the European Court of Justice.
The UK would also continue to pay into the EU budget, but will not have any voting rights or a seat at the European Council – a situation akin to Norway’s current relationship with the EU. //

To sum up ... Britain the vassal state with looming, self-inflicted economic challenges and subject to the decisions of the EU, without any say in it whatsoever. Rodney you plonker! :oops: :oops: :oops:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 73076.html

You mean, like, paying to be part of the EU but giving up our voting rights, and -more importantly- our veto? :shock:

A victory for idiocy, incompetence and bigotry.

[aaaae]

Is this what you wanted, Wrexiteers?
Is this what you voted for?

Quote/: Brexit: UK has already 'agreed in principle' with EU to Norway-style transition

The suggestion that Theresa May’s team has all but swallowed the transition proposal from Brussels will anger Conservative MPs, who believe it leaves Britain a “vassal state” for some two years after Brexit.

During that period, the UK would have full access to the single market, adhere to free movement rules and those of the customs union and follow edicts from the European Court of Justice.
The UK would also continue to pay into the EU budget, but will not have any voting rights or a seat at the European Council – a situation akin to Norway’s current relationship with the EU. //

To sum up ... Britain the vassal state with looming, self-inflicted economic challenges and subject to the decisions of the EU, without any say in it whatsoever. Rodney you plonker! :oops: :oops: :oops:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 73076.html

You mean, like, paying to be part of the EU but giving up our voting rights, and -more importantly- our veto? :shock:

A victory for idiocy, incompetence and bigotry.

Just out of interest, did you two believe that the UK should have been one of the founding members of the Euro?

[Exile]

No, I didn't. As circumstances had it, we didn't have to agree. So?

[SaigonSaddler]

Just out of interest, Hey - look over there everyone, it's a giant hummingbird!

:roll:

[aaaae]

No, I didn't. As circumstances had it, we didn't have to agree. So?

Indeed. Why did you not want to join?

[aaaae]

Just out of interest, Hey - look over there everyone, it's a giant hummingbird!

:roll:

:roll: