2017 General Election Thread

[swampysaddler]

Bit like yourself with your backing of well known Terrorist sympathiser.

Assume you must mean May flogging arms to Saudi Arabia, then used to bomb Yemen and (somehow) finding their way into the hands of ISIS.

Never backed May and don't think I would ...

No but you will gladly sit there backing the scruffy Gerry Adams puppet !

[SaigonSaddler]

Bit like yourself with your backing of well known Terrorist sympathiser.

Assume you must mean May flogging arms to Saudi Arabia, then used to bomb Yemen and (somehow) finding their way into the hands of ISIS.

Never backed May and don't think I would ...

No but you will gladly sit there backing the scruffy Gerry Adams puppet !

Never liked Charles either.

[swampysaddler]

Bit like yourself with your backing of well known Terrorist sympathiser.

Assume you must mean May flogging arms to Saudi Arabia, then used to bomb Yemen and (somehow) finding their way into the hands of ISIS.

Never backed May and don't think I would ...

No but you will gladly sit there backing the scruffy Gerry Adams puppet !

Never liked Charles either.

This picture again.
A meeting Prince Charles never wanted to happen but followed it through due to Royal Protocol. Do keep up.

[JonnyOwen]

I find it odd that terrorism has been spread and inflated partly due to western bombings and invasions into the middle east, so the wise idea by some to stop it is to... do more bombings. :lol:

Personally I'm not against military intervention and I am not a pacifist by any means, but in this circumstance I can't see how it wouldn't make things worse. I'm not sure whether it is already being done to high levels but providing top level reconnaissance to forces like the Kurds who are doing the boots on the ground fighting is what I would look to do. Helping to provide as much help as possible to those doing the fighting, but without risking collateral damage to innocents. However I certainly wouldn't want to be handing out weapons or equipment to any forces in the middle east.

But the larger battles have to come from prevention. Through identifying high risk individuals early, monitoring them fully until an arrest can be made. The only way this can be done more effectively is to increase police numbers and funding, and not to cut them like May did and deem is "scaremongering" - she has certainly been proved wrong in that. Perhaps laws can also be made easier to allow for arrests of these individuals earlier, but a full on sweeping blow to anyone deemed a threat would once again only make things worse as has been proven in countless other countries. I'd also be very careful about disregarding the Muslim community as not wanting or being able to help. Terrorist plots in the UK don't appear to be a rare thing, however due to the intelligence provided to anti-terror services a huge majority of them are stopped dead in their tracks. I wonder who is able to get this information? It is typically other Muslims. Outreach to these communities to help in the co-operation between communities and agencies will only help to make those communities more likely to inform and to influence people to move away from extremism.

Just out of interest Jonny because you probably know more about this than I do - how would you see prime minister Corbyns relationship with the home office and the police given he has constantly voted against security measures

Well Labour have promised 10,000 new officers, which is a big start. His relationship and support from the police just for that would be much improved over May who has seemingly done everything in her power since she became Home Secretary and now PM to actively fight against the police and turn them against her.

[swampysaddler]

For those who would like to know a little more about who would run the country if Labour win the election
In 1984, two weeks after the Brighton bombing, Corbyn invited two members of the Provisional IRA, Linda Quigley and Gerard McLoughlin, to parliament. MacLochlainn was a close friend of Corbyn. In 1981 he served two and a half years in jail for conspiracy to cause explosions.
According to a report in the Sinn Fein/IRA newspaper An Phoblacht, in 2000 Corbyn shared a platform with Brendan McKenna at an event commemorating Bloody Sunday. McKenna was jailed for his role in bombing the British Legion hall in Portadown.
In 2005 Corbyn shared a platform with Raymond McCartney at a meeting about Bloody Sunday. McCartney was a member of the Provisional IRA.
In 2007 Corbyn spoke alongside Martina Anderson at an event organised by his CLP. Anderson was jailed for plotting a series of terror attacks in London and twelve English seaside towns.
In 2009, an An Phoblacht report places Corbyn at a Sinn Fein dinner with Diane Abbott and Ken Livingstone. The event was hosted by Gerry Adams and IRA member Gerry Kelly. Kelly was jailed for his part in the Old Bailey bombing which killed one and injured 200.
In July 2011, Jeremy Corbyn chaired a Sinn Fein event commemorating the Hunger Strikes. An Phoblacht says Corbyn shared a platform there with the IRA member Brendan ‘Bik’ McFarlane, who was a part of an IRA gang which killed four Protestant civilians and a UVF member in a pub bombing. Also present was Jennifer McCann, who was sentenced to 20 years imprisonment for the murder of a RUC constable.

[SaigonSaddler]

For those who would like to know a little more about who would run the country if Labour win the election
In 1984, two weeks after the Brighton bombing, Corbyn invited two members of the Provisional IRA, Linda Quigley and Gerard McLoughlin, to parliament. MacLochlainn was a close friend of Corbyn. In 1981 he served two and a half years in jail for conspiracy to cause explosions.
According to a report in the Sinn Fein/IRA newspaper An Phoblacht, in 2000 Corbyn shared a platform with Brendan McKenna at an event commemorating Bloody Sunday. McKenna was jailed for his role in bombing the British Legion hall in Portadown.
In 2005 Corbyn shared a platform with Raymond McCartney at a meeting about Bloody Sunday. McCartney was a member of the Provisional IRA.
In 2007 Corbyn spoke alongside Martina Anderson at an event organised by his CLP. Anderson was jailed for plotting a series of terror attacks in London and twelve English seaside towns.
In 2009, an An Phoblacht report places Corbyn at a Sinn Fein dinner with Diane Abbott and Ken Livingstone. The event was hosted by Gerry Adams and IRA member Gerry Kelly. Kelly was jailed for his part in the Old Bailey bombing which killed one and injured 200.
In July 2011, Jeremy Corbyn chaired a Sinn Fein event commemorating the Hunger Strikes. An Phoblacht says Corbyn shared a platform there with the IRA member Brendan ‘Bik’ McFarlane, who was a part of an IRA gang which killed four Protestant civilians and a UVF member in a pub bombing. Also present was Jennifer McCann, who was sentenced to 20 years imprisonment for the murder of a RUC constable.

Gibber Gibber ... all very contrived isn't it? it's called negotiation, something that Thatcher did in secret. If we followed your genius thinking we'd have bombed Dublin and would still be entrenched in a bitter and divisive war. :idea:

[swampysaddler]

Do keep up please.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_McCann

[SaigonSaddler]

Do keep up please.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_McCann

I knew that. Kind of undermines the gravitas of your point though.

Apparently people can change ... but only when they're tory.

[swampysaddler]

Do keep up please.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_McCann

I knew that. Kind of undermines the gravitas of your point though.

Apparently people can change ... but only when they're tory.

Yes people can change and as the years go on they have different views. Dianne Abbott prime example the morning, like she said 34 years ago she had a Afro and different views.
But do you hear Comrade Corbyn changing his views ? No.
Why ?
Because he loves Gerry Adams and always will.

[SaigonSaddler]

Because he loves Gerry Adams and always will.

[swampysaddler]

Because he loves Gerry Adams and always will.

If that is the best reply you have I pity you.
I also note no denial that Comrade Corbyn loves Sinn Fein.

[Walsallone]

but JONNY Corbyn and McDonnell have voted consistently against every measure to make this country safe. They are also apologists for the IRA...do you really believe that they have become pro British in their old age? Even if we had 10,000 more police they would not be allowed to carry out their duty of protecting the public from terrorists or organised crime. As others have said you have to look at their track record when deciding whether to believe them....indeed many Labour MPs are against their rather peculiar brand of Marxist/socialist thinking which was discredited in the last century. I think you will find about 170 Labour MPs had no confidence in Corbyn as Leader and that is not a good sign for the electorate as a whole.

[SaigonSaddler]

If that is the best reply you have I pity you.
I also note no denial that Comrade Corbyn loves Sinn Fein.

It's all I need to be honest for someone who clearly still struggles with basic concepts.

Don't you find it stressful to be constantly triggered by fairly harmless posts?

[swampysaddler]

If that is the best reply you have I pity you.
I also note no denial that Comrade Corbyn loves Sinn Fein.

It's all I need to be honest for someone who clearly still struggles with basic concepts.

Don't you find it stressful to be constantly triggered by fairly harmless posts?

No I actually enjoy mocking small narrow minded people like yourself
I also note no reply about Comrade Corbyn !
Cat got you tongue or been proven to be a tit again ?

[SaigonSaddler]

If that is the best reply you have I pity you.
I also note no denial that Comrade Corbyn loves Sinn Fein.

It's all I need to be honest for someone who clearly still struggles with basic concepts.

Don't you find it stressful to be constantly triggered by fairly harmless posts?

No I actually enjoy mocking small narrow minded people like yourself

Interesting delusion. You could have chosen many accusations, but certainly not narrow-minded.

You're the one attempting to pretend that every muslim is a robotic clone and worthy of liquidation.

[swampysaddler]

If that is the best reply you have I pity you.
I also note no denial that Comrade Corbyn loves Sinn Fein.

It's all I need to be honest for someone who clearly still struggles with basic concepts.

Don't you find it stressful to be constantly triggered by fairly harmless posts?

No I actually enjoy mocking small narrow minded people like yourself

Interesting delusion. You could have chosen many accusations, but certainly not narrow-minded.

You're the one attempting to pretend that every muslim is a robotic clone and worthy of liquidation.

And you are the one that would sit there and open our arms to these "misunderstood puppies".
When will you wake up and realise ISLAM is evil ?
What sort of race makes women walk 20 feet their men because women are the lower class ?
What sort of race will allow marrying a child of 11 ?
A prehistoric race that's what.

[swampysaddler]

PUBLISHED: 11:40, Sun, May 28, 2017 | UPDATED: 12:20, Sun, May 28, 2017


Marr quizzes Abbott over terror groups she voted not to ban
The shadow home secretary refused to take the list from presenter Andrew Marr as she attempted to defend her decision not to support the outlawing of groups, including those that had killed “a lot of people”.

Ms Abbott also defended comments she made backing the IRA in the 1980s as she bizarrely said her “afro and some of her views” had disappeared since then.

Speaking on the Andrew Marr Show, the host said: “In your career in the House of Commons you voted again and again around 30 times against anti terrorist legislation for different reasons.

“Shortly before 9/11 you voted against prescribing Al Qaeda as an organisation, that was a huge mistake on your part, was it not?”

Andrew Marr Diane Abbott terrorBBC
Andrew Marr criticised Diane Abbott for not voting to ban
Well there is the list, which of those organisations do you think should not have been prescribed?
Andrew Marr
Ms Abbott replied Tory MPs including Theresa May also voted against certain terror measures including the 2005 Prevention of Terrorism Bill, ID cards and control orders without sufficient legal intervention.

“Nobody votes against these things without a lot of thought and the view of myself and Jeremy and most members of the Conservative Party including David Davis at the time was that this was counter productive, counter terrorism legislation,” she said.

Marr then reeled off a list of “dangerous” groups around the world that Abbott refused to prescribe.

In response, an uncomfortable Abbott said: “There were groups on that list which I deemed to be dissidents rather than terror organisations.

[SaigonSaddler]

And you are the one that would sit there and open our arms to these "misunderstood puppies".
When will you wake up and realise ISLAM is evil ?
What sort of race makes women walk 20 feet their men because women are the lower class ?
What sort of race will allow marrying a child of 11 ?
A prehistoric race that's what.

Didn't realise religion conferred 'race'. What race are the Bosnian muslims or western converts?

Usual embarrassing guff from the resident people-phobe. You'd be better just saying nothing at times.

[swampysaddler]

And you are the one that would sit there and open our arms to these "misunderstood puppies".
When will you wake up and realise ISLAM is evil ?
What sort of race makes women walk 20 feet their men because women are the lower class ?
What sort of race will allow marrying a child of 11 ?
A prehistoric race that's what.

Didn't realise religion conferred 'race'. What race are the Bosnian muslims or western converts?

Usual embarrassing guff from the resident people-phobe. You'd be better just saying nothing at times.

And usual bollocks off yourself.

[swampysaddler]

I also notice on your profile Saigon "currently residing in Bangkok City". How are the ladyboys this time of year ?

[Cowshed]

Bit like yourself with your backing of well known Terrorist sympathiser.

Assume you must mean May flogging arms to Saudi Arabia, then used to bomb Yemen and (somehow) finding their way into the hands of ISIS.

Never backed May and don't think I would ...

No but you will gladly sit there backing the scruffy Gerry Adams puppet !

Never liked Charles either.

Is prince Charles standing for prime minister -when did this happen-I'm voting for him

[SaigonSaddler]

I also notice on your profile Saigon "currently residing in Bangkok City". How are the ladyboys this time of year ?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Great, not only thick and racist but also a weird stalker. :|

[Guest]

I vote for Jonny Owen.

[Exile]

Bit like yourself with your backing of well known Terrorist sympathiser.

Assume you must mean May flogging arms to Saudi Arabia, then used to bomb Yemen and (somehow) finding their way into the hands of ISIS.

Never backed May and don't think I would ...

No but you will gladly sit there backing the scruffy Gerry Adams puppet !

Really? Still trying to go there? You need some history lessons. How about finding out when Douglas Hurd, Harold Wilson and Lord Whitelaw met up with the IRA? Clue: well before Corbyn went to Belfast. How about bashing May for making Bitain one of the biggest arms dealers in the world, with a speciality in supplying Saudi Arabia, who spread Wahaabism, and funnel funds and weapons to ISIS?

Geopolitics aren't cut and dried. There's no us and them, or good guys and bad guys, just an unholy mess. Adding extensive weaponry, boots on the ground, drones in the skies and harsh condemnation does not advance peace, just exacerbate violence. It hasn't worked, so why keep doing it? Just to see more ex-soldiers denied disability despite having PTSD and/or missing limbs? Just to see more of them sleeping rough on the streets, abandoned after their service?

A foreign policy that includes keeping Islamic nations on side and their citizens safe would be a start. Talking them up instead of down, here and abroad, would surely be better than bombing them, or focusing exclusively on a tiny, tiny minority in the press.

Bonus question - how many Muslims have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK. since 2001? What is that number as a percentage of the total Muslim population in the UK?

Extra bonus question: which Home Secretary gave a million quid of taxpayer money to a (British subject) Guantanamo Bay detainee, who promptly went to the Middle East, joined up and gave the money to ISIS?

Last I heard there'd been a ceasefire in Northern Ireland, and the IRA had laid down arms and entered into a power sharing agreement. That was achieved by talking, not bombing them into submission. Talks involving successive tory and Labour governments to bring a lasting peace, where members of the RUC and British armed forces don't have to go to fortified stations and worry about mortars, or patrol the streets looking for bombs and booby traps while having abuse hurled at them by the local kids.

[Exile]

Here's a great quote for you, Swampy:

I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.

Here's some of yours:

you will gladly sit there backing the scruffy Gerry Adams puppet !

well known Terrorist sympathiser.

bomb the shite out of them and eradicate them completely.

Sit down with tea and biscuits like Corbyn wants or continue bombing the shite out them that will eventually eradicate them off the earth ?

If left up to me, which it wont be, I would bomb every fool hole I knew where they was.

racist Diane Abbott

Try serving in shitholes that we go to.
But no we are doing so that ladyboy lovers like yourself can carry on.

Go and suck up to Corbyn again, if you try hard enough you could have his lovechild.

This man, if you can call him that, is a danger to this country.

carry on with your lady-boys in the far east.

keep living in your little hide hole and believing a terrorist loving parasite is best for the country.

[JonnyOwen]

I vote for Jonny Owen.

:D :D :D

[JonnyOwen]

but JONNY Corbyn and McDonnell have voted consistently against every measure to make this country safe. They are also apologists for the IRA...do you really believe that they have become pro British in their old age? Even if we had 10,000 more police they would not be allowed to carry out their duty of protecting the public from terrorists or organised crime. As others have said you have to look at their track record when deciding whether to believe them....indeed many Labour MPs are against their rather peculiar brand of Marxist/socialist thinking which was discredited in the last century. I think you will find about 170 Labour MPs had no confidence in Corbyn as Leader and that is not a good sign for the electorate as a whole.

Well Corbyn is actually going ahead and providing more funding and most importantly, personnel, to the police, which is huge step towards making the country safer. That's what they are actually promising to do. Theresa May has done nothing but damage policing and thus making the country less safe. Improving safety for the British public is about as pro British as you can get.

[Cully]

I have no idea why we employ tens of thousands of people in the security, intelligence, civil and diplomatic service when all the simple answers can be found here on UTS.......................................although I'm not surprised to read what I've been reading from posters for over 15 years, it's amazing how many times the rinse and repeat comments come up.

Keep it up everyone, I'm sure those that matter monitor this board to make sure they always make the right decision.

:D

:arrow: PERIOD

[PT]

What has become dead clear is that Jeremy Corbyn is the kind of politician we thought no longer existed. He is led by conviction rather than populism. You can tell the areas where he has had to compromise to accommodate his party (e.g Trident) but he still won't associate his own beliefs with those compromises. Leads to some awkward interview moments but his heart and his convictions are worn very much on his sleeve. On Northern Ireland, his views are pretty well known (I think it was Mcguiness who described him as a "friend of Ireland and a friend of Derry" - I think we know what that friendship means).

Theresa May is far more like the politicians we've become used to since Thatcher went. Pragmatically trying to take a centre ground that will do just about enough to secure a slug of marginals whilst receiving nods of approval from the heartland. And when on occasion that tipping point has been over-reached, having no qualms about back-tracking.

It looked like a no-brainer when she was asking who we'd prefer to negotiate Brexit on our behalf a couple of weeks ago. It looks less so now. "Strong and stable" resonated a couple of weeks ago. It resonates less now.

The good news for our democracy is that it has got interesting. There's a contest and there's a clearer choice than we've had for decades. Good.

[Cowshed]

Bit like yourself with your backing of well known Terrorist sympathiser.

Assume you must mean May flogging arms to Saudi Arabia, then used to bomb Yemen and (somehow) finding their way into the hands of ISIS.

Never backed May and don't think I would ...

No but you will gladly sit there backing the scruffy Gerry Adams puppet !

Really? Still trying to go there? You need some history lessons. How about finding out when Douglas Hurd, Harold Wilson and Lord Whitelaw met up with the IRA? Clue: well before Corbyn went to Belfast. How about bashing May for making Bitain one of the biggest arms dealers in the world, with a speciality in supplying Saudi Arabia, who spread Wahaabism, and funnel funds and weapons to ISIS?

Geopolitics aren't cut and dried. There's no us and them, or good guys and bad guys, just an unholy mess. Adding extensive weaponry, boots on the ground, drones in the skies and harsh condemnation does not advance peace, just exacerbate violence. It hasn't worked, so why keep doing it? Just to see more ex-soldiers denied disability despite having PTSD and/or missing limbs? Just to see more of them sleeping rough on the streets, abandoned after their service?

A foreign policy that includes keeping Islamic nations on side and their citizens safe would be a start. Talking them up instead of down, here and abroad, would surely be better than bombing them, or focusing exclusively on a tiny, tiny minority in the press.

Bonus question - how many Muslims have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK. since 2001? What is that number as a percentage of the total Muslim population in the UK?

Extra bonus question: which Home Secretary gave a million quid of taxpayer money to a (British subject) Guantanamo Bay detainee, who promptly went to the Middle East, joined up and gave the money to ISIS?

Last I heard there'd been a ceasefire in Northern Ireland, and the IRA had laid down arms and entered into a power sharing agreement. That was achieved by talking, not bombing them into submission. Talks involving successive tory and Labour governments to bring a lasting peace, where members of the RUC and British armed forces don't have to go to fortified stations and worry about mortars, or patrol the streets looking for bombs and booby traps while having abuse hurled at them by the local kids.

Really
You still banging on on about lists of people who are not seeking to be elected
Let's keep to the actual candidates
Now which of the candidates will not condemn the Ira