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Re: Euro 2008

Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:22 pm

Italy out.

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Re: Euro 2008

Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:42 pm

Exile wrote:Italy out.


I agree

Toni is the worst striker I've ever seen at International level, Andy Rammell is miles better

Italy are abysmal

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Re: Euro 2008

Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:12 pm

That's why is Italy shaped like a boot.
Because you couldn't get all that !!!! in a shoe

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:49 am

Surprised Italy didn't win the shoot out and surprised Spain didn't bottle it. Good news though as Spain are a much more interesting side to watch. Hopefully Russia go all the way, dicking the Germans in the final.

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:01 am

HKSaddler wrote:Surprised Italy didn't win the shoot out and surprised Spain didn't bottle it.

Why? Italy's record on penalties now is W2 L5 (only one win better than England's, who are the worst team in the world at pens), where as Spain's is W3 L3. When it comes to shoot-outs, Spain's reputation as bottlers is undeserved.

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:47 am

Italy got exactly what they derseved last night .. nothing so pleased Spain won.

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:57 am

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HKSaddler wrote:Surprised Italy didn't win the shoot out and surprised Spain didn't bottle it.

Why? Italy's record on penalties now is W2 L5 (only one win better than England's, who are the worst team in the world at pens), where as Spain's is W3 L3. When it comes to shoot-outs, Spain's reputation as bottlers is undeserved.


Aren't Holland the worst team at penalties in the world?

Italy are stupid. This is the third or fourth time I can remember them playing for penalties for 120 minutes only to go and lose the shoot-out (Brazil in 94 and France in 98(?) stand out) - and each time they'd have been favourites (or at least had an even money chance) in a proper game, whereas they must realise that they're useless at shoot-outs.

I know that they did eventually win the World Cup on penalties the other year, but they only got to the final because in the semi-final they managed to find the courage to keep attacking Germany and scored a late, late winner. That's the match that they should have remembered going into last night's.

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:21 am

Duke wrote:Italy got exactly what they derseved last night .. nothing so pleased Spain won.


I agree.

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:21 am

I thought i read somewhere before Euro 08 , we were going to see an attacking italian team.
to begin a game with 4 central midfielders is very negative , as i said earlier they got what they deserved.

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:25 am

Plastic Hawk wrote:Aren't Holland the worst team at penalties in the world?

No. Holland's record is 1-4, England's is 1-5. And the only shoot-out we won was rather soured by a penalty shoot-out defeat in the very next round. Considering Germany's record is 5-1, one wonders whether we would have won a major tournament in the last 40 years if we were as good as them on pens.

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:30 am

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Plastic Hawk wrote:Aren't Holland the worst team at penalties in the world?

No. Holland's record is 1-4, England's is 1-5. And the only shoot-out we won was rather soured by a penalty shoot-out defeat in the very next round. Considering Germany's record is 5-1, one wonders whether we would have won a major tournament in the last 40 years if we were as good as them on pens.


For some reason I thought it was the other way round, but you are correct.

The reason we're so poor at penalties is because we don't take them seriously. If you go in with the attitude that "they're a lottery" and that there's no point in practicing as you "can't replicate the atmosphere of a real match" (isn't that an argument for not working on any skills at all and just doing lots of running in training?) then you're doomed to defeat even before you start.

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:35 am

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Plastic Hawk wrote:Aren't Holland the worst team at penalties in the world?

No. Holland's record is 1-4, England's is 1-5. And the only shoot-out we won was rather soured by a penalty shoot-out defeat in the very next round. Considering Germany's record is 5-1, one wonders whether we would have won a major tournament in the last 40 years if we were as good as them on pens.


The one we won was against Spain wasn't it?

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:33 pm

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Plastic Hawk wrote:Aren't Holland the worst team at penalties in the world?

No. Holland's record is 1-4, England's is 1-5. And the only shoot-out we won was rather soured by a penalty shoot-out defeat in the very next round. Considering Germany's record is 5-1, one wonders whether we would have won a major tournament in the last 40 years if we were as good as them on pens.


The one we won was against Spain wasn't it?


Yep, Euro 96.

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Re: Euro 2008

Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:39 pm

Duke wrote:I thought i read somewhere before Euro 08 , we were going to see an attacking italian team.
to begin a game with 4 central midfielders is very negative , as i said earlier they got what they deserved.


I think it was because Donadoni was under pressure after sneaking through the groups, he played his tried and tested players. They were always going to be more negative with Pirlo being suspended and they haven't got another player that plays the role he plays. Perrotta tries to play an advanced role, but can't quite cut it against the bigger teams. As for the wings, Camoranesi can play wide but started the tournament poorly and didn't do much better last night, and Italy (like England) don't really have a natural left sided midfielder.

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Re: Euro 2008

Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:43 pm

Donadoni has left his post as Italy boss. No surprise after the bore fest the other night really.

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:55 am

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Plastic Hawk wrote:Aren't Holland the worst team at penalties in the world?

No. Holland's record is 1-4, England's is 1-5. And the only shoot-out we won was rather soured by a penalty shoot-out defeat in the very next round. Considering Germany's record is 5-1, one wonders whether we would have won a major tournament in the last 40 years if we were as good as them on pens.


It's a good point. Was talking to a mate about this a while back. It is almost impossible to win a tournament without winning a penalty shoot out on the way. Not sure if any team has ever done so since penalty shoot outs were introduced, but I am guessing they haven't.

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:02 am

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Plastic Hawk wrote:Aren't Holland the worst team at penalties in the world?

No. Holland's record is 1-4, England's is 1-5. And the only shoot-out we won was rather soured by a penalty shoot-out defeat in the very next round. Considering Germany's record is 5-1, one wonders whether we would have won a major tournament in the last 40 years if we were as good as them on pens.


It's a good point. Was talking to a mate about this a while back. It is almost impossible to win a tournament without winning a penalty shoot out on the way. Not sure if any team has ever done so since penalty shoot outs were introduced, but I am guessing they haven't.


It's certainly very rare to win a tournament without a shoot-out win these days. I think that Brazil may have done in the 2002 World Cup, but I'm struggling to remember many more since the start of the 1990s. There's no reason why England can't win shoot-outs though - if we start to take them seriously as a fundamental part of the tournament rather than just the equivalent of a coin toss with no need to prepare.

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:08 am

I agree. We have another problem to sort out first of all now. Qualifying for a tournament :D

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:24 am

Finalists of major tournaments (penalty shoot-out wins in brackets)
90 Germany (1) v Argentina (2)
92 Denmark (1) v Germany (1)
94 Brazil (1) v Italy (0)
96 Germany (1) v Czech Rep (1)
98 France (1) v Brazil (1)
00 France (0) v Italy (1)
02 Brazil (0) v Germany (0)
04 Greece (0) v Portugal (1)
06 Italy (1) v France (0)
Most of the time, if you want to make a final - you have to win a shoot-out.
Blazing_Saddler wrote:I agree. We have another problem to sort out first of all now. Qualifying for a tournament :D

We'll be fine under Capello, even allowing for being in the same group as Croatia.

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:11 pm

COME ON TURKEY!!!! 1-0 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:11 pm

Get in there Turkey :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quality bit of keeing by the Kraut Goon :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:14 pm

fool germans!!!! 1-1

jammy buggers

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:22 pm

YGA Saddler wrote:barsteward germans!!!! 1-1

jammy buggers


The pig farmer strikes again :(

Horrible game to pick a winner anyway. The backside stabbing Turks or the Krauts. Let's just hope they kick lumps outta each other :D

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:55 pm

I'd prefer the mad turks over the big headed Germoins anyday :D
Come on Turkey

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:59 pm

Never a penalty or free kick. Get up you ponce

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:04 pm

Can't believe the cheating Germoins----diving all over the place.
The're just a bunch of wimps. No wonder they lost 2 WWars. No metal.

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:31 pm

2-2 what a comeback by the Turks again-----tremendous stuff :D

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:38 pm

3-2 germany!

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:38 pm

Yet again !!!!!!

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Re: Euro 2008

Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:42 pm

Gutted :(

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