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[El_Nombre]

Are some folk ACTUALLY going to vote Labour! You have to question the minds of some individuals.......imagine Corbyn in charge of the country...............Shari Law, no defence, huge borrowing, lets 'talk' to ISIS, Phenomenal quantities of major Companies leaving the country, mass unemployment........but after all Labour is for the workers!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Weird ... I don't remember seeing Shari Law in their manifesto?

[derbysaddler]

Maybe a lot of the large companies would leave because of Shazza's law instead?

[Wragbyred]

Maybe a lot of the large companies would leave because of Shazza's law instead?

Why would they leave, because they don't want to contribute to a fair tax system?
So you're in favour of that then?

[derbysaddler]

I fully support large companies paying a more respectable amount of tax into the system due to our current circumstances, I think its just a bluff that they'll all scuttle off if they pay just a bit more of their commitments anyway.

Companies such as Amazon and Starbucks for example have a presence & infrastructure in the UK because they have a large domestic market here anyway, if Starbucks didn't sell much coffee here then they wouldn't be here full stop. So its just a fallacy.

Same as the banking groups. Due to their own consistent mismanagement or down right fraudulent practice for years we saw the largest ever transfer of private debt to a public debt at the liability of the government and tax payer population. There should be financial reimbursement obligations directed back to the banks due to this.

[Cheesebag]

Who the feck is voting Liberal???? It's blummin Harry Enfield :lol:

[chunkster]

Made my mind up now ,I'm voting UKIP I don't care if nuttall is a prick, you never know, if other like minded people think the same way as they did with brexit and the people that voted for trump, they may just get voted in :mrgreen:

[Cowshed]

I fully support large companies paying a more respectable amount of tax into the system due to our current circumstances, I think its just a bluff that they'll all scuttle off if they pay just a bit more of their commitments anyway.

Companies such as Amazon and Starbucks for example have a presence & infrastructure in the UK because they have a large domestic market here anyway, if Starbucks didn't sell much coffee here then they wouldn't be here full stop. So its just a fallacy.

Same as the banking groups. Due to their own consistent mismanagement or down right fraudulent practice for years we saw the largest ever transfer of private debt to a public debt at the liability of the government and tax payer population. There should be financial reimbursement obligations directed back to the banks due to this.

Many of the so called large companies that Corbin wants to attack have pension funds as major investors so the increase in corporation tax reduces profits and so reduces the returns for pensions. It was a labour government that stopped pensions funds being able to reclaim the corporation tax already paid out.

So we have MConnell saying he intends to keep drawing his winter fuel allowance despite his earnings and we have the middle classes saving 45 grand on uni fees and everyone in the workplace pension will get less pension to pay for it.

[swampysaddler]

I fully support large companies paying a more respectable amount of tax into the system due to our current circumstances, I think its just a bluff that they'll all scuttle off if they pay just a bit more of their commitments anyway.

Companies such as Amazon and Starbucks for example have a presence & infrastructure in the UK because they have a large domestic market here anyway, if Starbucks didn't sell much coffee here then they wouldn't be here full stop. So its just a fallacy.

Same as the banking groups. Due to their own consistent mismanagement or down right fraudulent practice for years we saw the largest ever transfer of private debt to a public debt at the liability of the government and tax payer population. There should be financial reimbursement obligations directed back to the banks due to this.

Many of the so called large companies that Corbin wants to attack have pension funds as major investors so the increase in corporation tax reduces profits and so reduces the returns for pensions. It was a labour government that stopped pensions funds being able to reclaim the corporation tax already paid out.

So we have MConnell saying he intends to keep drawing his winter fuel allowance despite his earnings and we have the middle classes saving 45 grand on uni fees and everyone in the workplace pension will get less pension to pay for it.

Cowshed how dare you come on here with facts.
You know that will upset our ex pats who know better, I am being sarcastic in case you didn't realise Saigon.

[Cully]

Embarrassing tribal voting, as usual. :roll:

[Ancient Moaner]

Embarrassing tribal voting, as usual. :roll:

Indeed, if you live in the West Midlands ya vote Labour, as did your parents, your grandparents, and your great grandparents, It's just like that here where I currently live in Leigh, (lancs) an ex mining/cotton town, where Labour would get in if they put a poorly trained chimp with a cleft pallet up as a candidate! :roll:

Have to admit to the embarrassment of voting Labour (uuurrgggghhh!) for the mayoral election for Greater Manchesterfud so that Andy Burnham would get the job....indeed if Burnham had succeeded as Labour Leader instead of that rubbish spouting gobshite they currently have, Labour would have stood a chance of being elected.

[SaigonSaddler]

So, as I understand it, the non-tribal consensus is that mOssive companies can pay bog all because 'students' and 'the stock market'.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ... :D

[SaigonSaddler]

I am being sarcastic in case you didn't realise Saigon.

Thanks for the illumination. :D

[derbysaddler]

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Many of the so called large companies that Corbin wants to attack have pension funds as major investors so the increase in corporation tax reduces profits and so reduces the returns for pensions. It was a labour government that stopped pensions funds being able to reclaim the corporation tax already paid out.

So we have MConnell saying he intends to keep drawing his winter fuel allowance despite his earnings and we have the middle classes saving 45 grand on uni fees and everyone in the workplace pension will get less pension to pay for it.

The conservatives have had years to reverse that....

Osborne introduced a dividend tax in 2015 as well.

[derbysaddler]

So, as I understand it, the non-tribal consensus is that mOssive companies can pay bog all because 'students' and 'the stock market'.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ... :D

Remain strong and stable.

[Cowshed]

So, as I understand it, the non-tribal consensus is that mOssive companies can pay bog all because 'students' and 'the stock market'.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ... :D

Remain strong and stable.

No let's tax the hell out of the big nasty companies that we have our pensions invested in because I want to have peace of mind that David Beckham saves 180k on uni fees for his kids and I won't sleep if Alan sugar doesn't get his winter fuel allowance

For the few not the many

DIane Abbott Think tank policy 1

[SaigonSaddler]

So, as I understand it, the non-tribal consensus is that mOssive companies can pay bog all because 'students' and 'the stock market'.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ... :D

Remain strong and stable.

No let's tax the hell out of the big nasty companies that we have our pensions invested in because I want to have peace of mind that David Beckham saves 180k on uni fees for his kids and I won't sleep if Alan sugar doesn't get his winter fuel allowance

For the few not the many

DIane Abbott Think tank policy 1

No, that the vast majority who want jobs requiring qualifications aren't saddled with crippling debt and the elderly have a significantly higher chance of having a warm home in winter. Quick question - where are doctors going to come from if they're not British? Duuuuurrrrrr ...

But David Beckham has kids and Alan Sugar is rich, so let's allow multi billion dollar companies to continue taking the piss. :oops:

[saddla]

So, as I understand it, the non-tribal consensus is that mOssive companies can pay bog all because 'students' and 'the stock market'.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ... :D

Remain strong and stable.

No let's tax the hell out of the big nasty companies that we have our pensions invested in because I want to have peace of mind that David Beckham saves 180k on uni fees for his kids and I won't sleep if Alan sugar doesn't get his winter fuel allowance

For the few not the many

DIane Abbott Think tank policy 1

No, that the vast majority who want jobs requiring qualifications aren't saddled with crippling debt and the elderly have a significantly higher chance of having a warm home in winter. Quick question - where are doctors going to come from if they're not British? Duuuuurrrrrr ...

But David Beckham has kids and Alan Sugar is rich, so let's allow multi billion dollar companies to continue taking the piss. :oops:

The trouble is that there a country just the other side of the Irish Sea who remain part of the EU single market and who have a corporation tax rate for trading income of 12.5%. And they are waiting with open arms for the influx of Companies from these shores should Jezza get elected. And why wouldn't they?

[SaigonSaddler]

So, as I understand it, the non-tribal consensus is that mOssive companies can pay bog all because 'students' and 'the stock market'.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ... :D

Remain strong and stable.

No let's tax the hell out of the big nasty companies that we have our pensions invested in because I want to have peace of mind that David Beckham saves 180k on uni fees for his kids and I won't sleep if Alan sugar doesn't get his winter fuel allowance

For the few not the many

DIane Abbott Think tank policy 1

No, that the vast majority who want jobs requiring qualifications aren't saddled with crippling debt and the elderly have a significantly higher chance of having a warm home in winter. Quick question - where are doctors going to come from if they're not British? Duuuuurrrrrr ...

But David Beckham has kids and Alan Sugar is rich, so let's allow multi billion dollar companies to continue taking the piss. :oops:

The trouble is that there a country just the other side of the Irish Sea who remain part of the EU single market and who have a corporation tax rate for trading income of 12.5%. And they are waiting with open arms for the influx of Companies from these shores should Jezza get elected. And why wouldn't they?

I think there would be a happy medium.
But what a pity Brexit means we have no say in negotiating some kind of European regulation on the issue. :wink:

[JonnyOwen]

I find it quite amusing that people are accusing Corbyn of being a threat and yet it wasn't him who hugely cut all of our public services, the NHS, and our armed forces, exposing us to be less protected from crime, terrorism, wars, illness etc. It was Theresa May and her Tory cronies.

They cut:
8500 RAF personnel
5500 Royal Navy personnel
10000 firefights
39 fire stations
10% of the border force
20000+ Armed forces personnel
20000+ Police officers
200 Royal Marines
6610 Mental health nurses
538 Specialist learning disability nurses
44% of "other" learning disability nurses
Thousands of nurses

Meanwhile pretty much all of the armed forces promises in the Tory manifesto, such as building 4 more dreadnoughts to replace Trident, the Astute, 8 type 26 frigates etc... were all ordered by the previous government and are not new investments, it's a little deceptive.

But of course, lets forget about the actual factual weakening of British services and armed forces by Tory governments, lets instead focus on what Tory press have spun Corbyn to have said 30 years ago. :roll:

[Cowshed]

I find it quite amusing that people are accusing Corbyn of being a threat and yet it wasn't him who hugely cut all of our public services, the NHS, and our armed forces, exposing us to be less protected from crime, terrorism, wars, illness etc. It was Theresa May and her Tory cronies.

They cut:
8500 RAF personnel
5500 Royal Navy personnel
10000 firefights
39 fire stations
10% of the border force
20000+ Armed forces personnel
20000+ Police officers
200 Royal Marines
6610 Mental health nurses
538 Specialist learning disability nurses
44% of "other" learning disability nurses
Thousands of nurses

Meanwhile pretty much all of the armed forces promises in the Tory manifesto, such as building 4 more dreadnoughts to replace Trident, the Astute, 8 type 26 frigates etc... were all ordered by the previous government and are not new investments, it's a little deceptive.

But of course, lets forget about the actual factual weakening of British services and armed forces by Tory governments, lets instead focus on what Tory press have spun Corbyn to have said 30 years ago. :roll:

the last labour chancellor ed balls thought it would be funny to leave a note when they lost office to say there was no money left

looking at your list Johnny it turned out to be really funny didn't it

[Cowshed]

I find it quite amusing that people are accusing Corbyn of being a threat and yet it wasn't him who hugely cut all of our public services, the NHS, and our armed forces, exposing us to be less protected from crime, terrorism, wars, illness etc. It was Theresa May and her Tory cronies.

They cut:
8500 RAF personnel
5500 Royal Navy personnel
10000 firefights
39 fire stations
10% of the border force
20000+ Armed forces personnel
20000+ Police officers
200 Royal Marines
6610 Mental health nurses
538 Specialist learning disability nurses
44% of "other" learning disability nurses
Thousands of nurses

Meanwhile pretty much all of the armed forces promises in the Tory manifesto, such as building 4 more dreadnoughts to replace Trident, the Astute, 8 type 26 frigates etc... were all ordered by the previous government and are not new investments, it's a little deceptive.

But of course, lets forget about the actual factual weakening of British services and armed forces by Tory governments, lets instead focus on what Tory press have spun Corbyn to have said 30 years ago. :roll:

30 years ago - so has he changed his mind about the ira evil terrorists now then - when did this happen I must have missed it

[Cowshed]

So, as I understand it, the non-tribal consensus is that mOssive companies can pay bog all because 'students' and 'the stock market'.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ... :D

Remain strong and stable.

No let's tax the hell out of the big nasty companies that we have our pensions invested in because I want to have peace of mind that David Beckham saves 180k on uni fees for his kids and I won't sleep if Alan sugar doesn't get his winter fuel allowance

For the few not the many

DIane Abbott Think tank policy 1

No, that the vast majority who want jobs requiring qualifications aren't saddled with crippling debt and the elderly have a significantly higher chance of having a warm home in winter. Quick question - where are doctors going to come from if they're not British? Duuuuurrrrrr ...

But David Beckham has kids and Alan Sugar is rich, so let's allow multi billion dollar companies to continue taking the piss. :oops:

no youre right lets not let these companies allow the economy to grow how dare they the big nasty things that try to create employment and pay shareholders like pension funds. it doesn't matter if they help relieve the state of the huge pension deficit just tax them and lets see who else we can tax while were at it because no one will notice we will just give them another bank holiday

Diane Abbott think tank policy 2

[JonnyOwen]

the last labour chancellor ed balls thought it would be funny to leave a note when they lost office to say there was no money left

looking at your list Johnny it turned out to be really funny didn't it

The same thing that the Tories did in 1964 when Tory councillor Reginald Maulding left a note saying "good luck old cock. Sorry to leave it in such a mess..." to the labour councillor James Callaghan that was replacing him. Not just a labour thing, also not trying to defend the previous government.

30 years ago - so has he changed his mind about the ira evil terrorists now then - when did this happen I must have missed it

I don't support some of the things he said or did decades ago but he certainly has been spun to have done or said much worse than he said or intended. I'd also want to put the actions, and not words, of May under the same microscope.

[Cowshed]

but some of the things he believed decades ago haven't changed so passage of time is irrelevant

and I doubt if anyone is under the microscope any more than the current prime minister

[JonnyOwen]

but some of the things he believed decades ago haven't changed so passage of time is irrelevant

Citation needed.

and I doubt if anyone is under the microscope any more than the current prime minister

On the internet perhaps. In the press? Not a chance.

[SaigonSaddler]

So, as I understand it, the non-tribal consensus is that mOssive companies can pay bog all because 'students' and 'the stock market'.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ... :D

Remain strong and stable.

No let's tax the hell out of the big nasty companies that we have our pensions invested in because I want to have peace of mind that David Beckham saves 180k on uni fees for his kids and I won't sleep if Alan sugar doesn't get his winter fuel allowance

For the few not the many

DIane Abbott Think tank policy 1

No, that the vast majority who want jobs requiring qualifications aren't saddled with crippling debt and the elderly have a significantly higher chance of having a warm home in winter. Quick question - where are doctors going to come from if they're not British? Duuuuurrrrrr ...

But David Beckham has kids and Alan Sugar is rich, so let's allow multi billion dollar companies to continue taking the piss. :oops:

no youre right lets not let these companies allow the economy to grow how dare they the big nasty things that try to create employment and pay shareholders like pension funds. it doesn't matter if they help relieve the state of the huge pension deficit just tax them and lets see who else we can tax while were at it because no one will notice we will just give them another bank

The idea is simply to get them to pay more of the tax that they are due, just like any other company operating in Britain, so that this is available for us to use and not squirreled away for the CEO to buy a new fleet of yachts in Bahrain or Monaco. Not sure why you would think that's such a terrible idea.
It's fair for one thing and amounts to billions of pounds that the exchequer is missing out on.

[Cowshed]

The idea is simply to get them to pay more of the tax that they are due, just like any other company operating in Britain, so that this is available for us to use and not squirreled away for the CEO to buy a new fleet of yachts in Bahrain or Monaco. Not sure why you would think that's such a terrible idea.
It's fair for one thing and amounts to billions of pounds that the exchequer is missing out on.[/quote]


Why portray Corbin as Robin Hood

The only thing he is robbing is our pension pots

And the people who benefit are the future Corbin abbot voters heading our way from overseas

[Exile]

the idea is simply to get them to pay more of the tax that they are due, just like any other company operating in Britain, so that this is available for us to use and not squirreled away for the CEO to buy a new fleet of yachts in Bahrain or Monaco. Not sure why you would think that's such a terrible idea.
It's fair for one thing and amounts to billions of pounds that the exchequer is missing out on.

Why portray Corbin as Robin Hood

The only thing he is robbing is our pension pots

And the people who benefit are the future Corbin abbot voters heading our way from overseas

Did you really just try to rationalise that? Did you really just say that your pension depends on depriving the UK of the tax income it deserves from corporate action within its economic environment? Did you?

[moaning saddler]

the idea is simply to get them to pay more of the tax that they are due, just like any other company operating in Britain, so that this is available for us to use and not squirreled away for the CEO to buy a new fleet of yachts in Bahrain or Monaco. Not sure why you would think that's such a terrible idea.
It's fair for one thing and amounts to billions of pounds that the exchequer is missing out on.

Why portray Corbin as Robin Hood

The only thing he is robbing is our pension pots

And the people who benefit are the future Corbin abbot voters heading our way from overseas

Did you really just try to rationalise that? Did you really just say that your pension depends on depriving the UK of the tax income it deserves from corporate action within its economic environment? Did you?

From the content of his various posts on the subject, I suspect that Cowshed's level of pension understanding is on a par with his understanding of how to spell Corbyn.

[Cowshed]

the idea is simply to get them to pay more of the tax that they are due, just like any other company operating in Britain, so that this is available for us to use and not squirreled away for the CEO to buy a new fleet of yachts in Bahrain or Monaco. Not sure why you would think that's such a terrible idea.
It's fair for one thing and amounts to billions of pounds that the exchequer is missing out on.

Why portray Corbin as Robin Hood

The only thing he is robbing is our pension pots

And the people who benefit are the future Corbin abbot voters heading our way from overseas

Did you really just try to rationalise that? Did you really just say that your pension depends on depriving the UK of the tax income it deserves from corporate action within its economic environment? Did you?

From the content of his various posts on the subject, I suspect that Cowshed's level of pension understanding is on a par with his understanding of how to spell Corbyn.

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