2017 General Election Thread

[swampysaddler]

Just leave this here.

1979 :Callaghan: 269 seats,admits defeat & resigns
1992 :Kinnock: 271 seats, admits defeat & resigns
2017 :Corbyn: 262 seats, claims victory and orders the PM to resign and her government to step down so he can run the country.

[Manchester Saddler]

262 seats is a lot more than Mrs May thought he'd get, Swampster,

:D

I'm just happy that she ended up with scores of seats less than she thought she would,
:D

[addo]

Just leave this here.

1979 :Callaghan: 269 seats,admits defeat & resigns
1992 :Kinnock: 271 seats, admits defeat & resigns
2017 :Corbyn: 262 seats, claims victory and orders the PM to resign and her government to step down so he can run the country.

and in 1979 there were only 630 seats - its been around 650 since 1983 - so the percentage of the total was even higher

[SaigonSaddler]

Utter mayhem for the self-servatives. Still lOffing about it now.

Labour were 27 mOssive points behind the tories when the election was called and looking at huge landslides of defeat not seen since 1983.
Now she has a majority of three - even with the vile DUP alliance.

Brexit now totally up in the air, which a good thing in my view.
May has complete ownership of Brexit negotiations - good luck with that.
Labour and others have a platform for further inroads versus tories in future elections (who expected a Labour victory at this stage? But the ground-rules have now utterly changed)
There appears to be an appetite for genuine socialist policies in the UK, unheard of since the efforts of Kinnock in 1983.
By-elections mean far right policies such as the demise of the NHS and hard brexit are effectively curtailed.
Tory leadership election is a ticking time-bomb, leading to the utter vicious chaos that only the tories can provide.

Don't see how it could have worked out better to be honest, although I will admit that Labour could make a mess of it if not played right, the chess board looks a lot healthier from a left-wing, progressive, pro-Europe viewpoint.

And the tories still harping on about victory, Labour claiming victory ....... flipping LOL. I can't tell you how disappointed I am not to hear the outrageous victorygasm that various self-servatives would have generously and copiously shared ... :mrgreen:
Tories may be technically in charge at present, but .... they seem in chaos, with total dipsticks as new leadership material (May is finished) and, well, what a fiasco.

:D :wink:

[canadiansaddler]

The question has to be asked how much of the labour vote was a protest vote rather than a real swing to the left.

It seems implausible that a 30% swing has truly occurred, we live in strange times where the ballot box is being used to protest and people's views seem more fluid and extreme.

[SaigonSaddler]

The question has to be asked how much of the labour vote was a protest vote rather than a real swing to the left.

It seems implausible that a 30% swing has truly occurred, we live in strange times where the ballot box is being used to protest and people's views seem more fluid and extreme.

There's always that caveat, however the attraction of Labour seemed to be with the policies on offer, despite the reservations over Corbyn (from some, most notably the press). Looks like we'll get to find out sooner rather than later anyway.

[Cowshed]

Utter mayhem for the self-servatives. Still lOffing about it now.

Labour were 27 mOssive points behind the tories when the election was called and looking at huge landslides of defeat not seen since 1983.
Now she has a majority of three - even with the vile DUP alliance.

Brexit now totally up in the air, which a good thing in my view.
May has complete ownership of Brexit negotiations - good luck with that.
Labour and others have a platform for further inroads versus tories in future elections (who expected a Labour victory at this stage? But the ground-rules have now utterly changed)
There appears to be an appetite for genuine socialist policies in the UK, unheard of since the efforts of Kinnock in 1983.
By-elections mean far right policies such as the demise of the NHS and hard brexit are effectively curtailed.
Tory leadership election is a ticking time-bomb, leading to the utter vicious chaos that only the tories can provide.

Don't see how it could have worked out better to be honest, although I will admit that Labour could make a mess of it if not played right, the chess board looks a lot healthier from a left-wing, progressive, pro-Europe viewpoint.

And the tories still harping on about victory, Labour claiming victory ....... flipping LOL. I can't tell you how disappointed I am not to hear the outrageous victorygasm that various self-servatives would have generously and copiously shared ... :mrgreen:
Tories may be technically in charge at present, but .... they seem in chaos, with total dipsticks as new leadership material (May is finished) and, well, what a fiasco.

:D :wink:

Mmmmm. Poll ratings

In terms of having room for manoeuvre the government can ONLY get better in terms of new leadership and manifesto, election campaign etc

Where do labour go from here?

In terms of manifesto they promised everything so nothing else to give away

In terms of leadership they couldn't even beat the worst Tory outfit probably ever known



Good poll ratings for labour is good for the country if it keeps Corbyn at the helm

Problem for the labour executive though

What does the manager do about a striker that misses a sitter but the vociferous elements of the crowd like him because he promises free tickets

Keep going with the consolation posts though

[shrewsbury saddler]

The question has to be asked how much of the labour vote was a protest vote rather than a real swing to the left.

It seems implausible that a 30% swing has truly occurred, we live in strange times where the ballot box is being used to protest and people's views seem more fluid and extreme.

I suspect it had something to do with age. The younger voters were more enamoured of policies. To older ones, I suspect it was more just exasperation.

Then there were the various progressive alliance websites which gave you the most likely party to beat the Tories in your actual constituency. In most, that was always going to be Labour.

[reedswood sadler]

The question has to be asked how much of the labour vote was a protest vote rather than a real swing to the left.

It seems implausible that a 30% swing has truly occurred, we live in strange times where the ballot box is being used to protest and people's views seem more fluid and extreme.

I suspect it had something to do with age. The younger voters were more enamoured of policies. To older ones, I suspect it was more just exasperation.

Then there were the various progressive alliance websites which gave you the most likely party to beat the Tories in your actual constituency. In most, that was always going to be Labour.

Totally agree it was to do with age the younger voters were after free university fees nothing else and the older voters gave May a kicking because she wanted to mess with pensions. winter fuel allowance and dementia tax.
When it comes down to it everyone wants to look after themselves not the country, take the MPS all out for what they can get.

[PT]

Neil Kinnock must be a bit miffed. A little bit because he thought he'd moved Labour to the centre, a little bit because his family's Brussels gravy train is about to hit the buffers but mainly because he had a pop at being a rock star one night in Sheffield and it cost him his career, whereas Corbyn is supporting the Libertines one week and headlining Glastonbury the next. Maybe Neil should have asked Heffer and Hatton to be Merseybeat backing singers instead of kicking them out.

[IHTC.]

While May was meeting our veterans Corbyn was chasing votes with the great unwashed and no doubt talking about austerity to people who have paid £300 to see some knob called stormzy.

[swampysaddler]

While May was meeting our veterans Corbyn was chasing votes with the great unwashed and no doubt talking about austerity to people who have paid £300 to see some knob called stormzy.

I am not saying a word about this apart from Corbyn and dangerous.

[Manchester Saddler]

While May was meeting our veterans Corbyn was chasing votes with the great unwashed and no doubt talking about austerity to people who have paid £300 to see some knob called stormzy.

Mmmm - interesting.

Why are you using the phrase "the great unwashed"?

It doesn't actually matter how much money you have. It is obvious that austerity will affect the poor far more and if you recognise that and think it is wrong then you are perfectly entitled to have an anti-austerity stance.

And I'm sure that Stormzy is not a knob. His music is definitely not my cup of tea but to call him a knob even though he makes thousands of people happy with his music is a little on the "not nice" side.

You do realise that attacking Corbyn was one of the key factors that lost Mrs May her majority, don't you?

Meeting a few veterans isn't going to enhance the myth that she is strong and stable.

[Manchester Saddler]

While May was meeting our veterans Corbyn was chasing votes with the great unwashed and no doubt talking about austerity to people who have paid £300 to see some knob called stormzy.

I am not saying a word about this apart from Corbyn and dangerous.

"Corbyn is not dangerous"? - is that the sentence you were thinking?

If not, please explain.

[Cully]

Utter mayhem for the self-servatives. Still lOffing about it now.

Labour were 27 mOssive points behind the tories when the election was called and looking at huge landslides of defeat not seen since 1983.
Now she has a majority of three - even with the vile DUP alliance.

Brexit now totally up in the air, which a good thing in my view.
May has complete ownership of Brexit negotiations - good luck with that.
Labour and others have a platform for further inroads versus tories in future elections (who expected a Labour victory at this stage? But the ground-rules have now utterly changed)
There appears to be an appetite for genuine socialist policies in the UK, unheard of since the efforts of Kinnock in 1983.
By-elections mean far right policies such as the demise of the NHS and hard brexit are effectively curtailed.
Tory leadership election is a ticking time-bomb, leading to the utter vicious chaos that only the tories can provide.

Don't see how it could have worked out better to be honest, although I will admit that Labour could make a mess of it if not played right, the chess board looks a lot healthier from a left-wing, progressive, pro-Europe viewpoint.

And the tories still harping on about victory, Labour claiming victory ....... flipping LOL. I can't tell you how disappointed I am not to hear the outrageous victorygasm that various self-servatives would have generously and copiously shared ... :mrgreen:
Tories may be technically in charge at present, but .... they seem in chaos, with total dipsticks as new leadership material (May is finished) and, well, what a fiasco.

:D :wink:

I think you meant to say 'something for nothing'. [see Mum's Net forum, miscellaneous students [about 3 million] and everybody else that doesn't have a grasp of economics] The facts are, Labour were completely and utterly rejected by the majority of the country [even though they won] and despite one of the most appalling election campaigns in the history of the world the Conservatives increased the number of votes they received and are still the largest single party [even though they lost].

Apparently Corbyn, nay Saint Corbyn is currently appearing at Glastonbury, there's a slight chance you could make it if you set off now.

[Cully]

Oh and I'm delighted to see your return Manchester, a very warm welcome back. Please don't leave me and Saigon alone ever again.

:D :D :D :arrow: PERIOD

[SaigonSaddler]

Mmmmm. Poll ratings

Response to the only thing in that submission that made any sense ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Things can only get better in terms of tory leadership??? There's no such thing.
You're having a laugh, is he having a laugh? :D







Keep going with the consolation posts though. Try to forget that May was 27 points ahead and this was her 'mandate for brexit'. :mrgreen: :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

I think you meant to say 'something for nothing'. [see Mum's Net forum, miscellaneous students [about 3 million] and everybody else that doesn't have a grasp of economics] The facts are, Labour were completely and utterly rejected by the majority of the country [even though they won] and despite one of the most appalling election campaigns in the history of the world the Conservatives increased the number of votes they received and are still the largest single party [even though they lost].

I think everyone, even in the final day, anticipated the kind of tory landslide last seen in 1983, with ex-Labour MPs crucified along the M6 in a homage to I'm Spartacus, and the road to Hard Brexit paved with the skulls of voters who dared to be mums or students and not suburban 60+ golden generation types from Surrey.

Apparently May 'was in tears' and someone vomited.

Sounds a great party! :arrow: :wink:

[Manchester Saddler]

Oh and I'm delighted to see your return Manchester, a very warm welcome back. Please don't leave me and Saigon alone ever again.

:D :D :D :arrow: PERIOD

I missed you too Cully me old mucker!! :D

[swampysaddler]

While May was meeting our veterans Corbyn was chasing votes with the great unwashed and no doubt talking about austerity to people who have paid £300 to see some knob called stormzy.

I am not saying a word about this apart from Corbyn and dangerous.

"Corbyn is not dangerous"? - is that the sentence you were thinking?

If not, please explain.

Right so if Corbyn, god forbid, did actually get in power Trident would be gone full stop.
We wouldn't have an MOD we would have a Ministery for Peace.
All these idle promises he made during the election campaign where is the money coming from for them ?
Debt AGAIN under a Labour Government, with a leader not too long back had no confidence from his fellow Labour members.

[Manchester Saddler]

Actually, Swampster, Trident wouldn't go. As he said, Corbyn is not a dictator and the vast majority of the Labour Party agree with you and I, i.e. do not scrap Trident. This was clearly defined in the manifesto. The Labour Party is bigger than just one man - it is the same for the Conservative Party.

The Ministry of Peace sounds like a good idea. I'm sure as an ex-serviceman your views on defence are more extreme. Personally, I don't agree with everything Corbyn stands for - but to have a Ministry of Peace as well as a Ministry for Defence is a good thing. Diplomacy doesn't always work - but it can - and it should. I'm sure that you would rather have a peaceful resolution to a crisis instead of another war.

The promises in manifestos generally are sweeteners for the electorate. The Conservatives criticized Labour and referred to a "money tree" yet could not actually elaborate on how much their own policies would cost. They were found out multiple times - they just have the force of newspapers like the Daily Mail and Daily Express to pummel Labour without looking in great detail at the Tory manifesto.

Labour's policies make sense and the money will come from raising taxes for the super-rich, making damned sure that corporate giants pay the vast amounts of tax they are currently avoiding at the moment. And bbanks and bankers could be reined in too.

The Tories tend to demonize the poor and take money from them due to austerity, and convince the not quite so poor that benefit fraud is rife and that these people are taking most of the money. The truth is that the super rich are getting away with murder - and if checked could and would provide the money that is so badly needed by the NHS, public services etc.

That's my view anyway.

Oh and during the last election I discovered evidence that Conservative gevernments borrow and spend as much (sometimes) more money than Labour governments. Tory voters tend to turn a blind eye to that, preferring to believe the rhetoric of the right wing press.

However, the good news is that it seems the right wing press's days of peddling lies may be numbered in years to come.

Corbyn's popularity proves this and, given time, we may see a change.

Nice to hear you views, Swampy lad! You seem to have calmed down recently. I am trying to do the same.
:D :wink:

[Pedagogue]

Right so if Corbyn, god forbid, did actually get in power Trident would be gone full stop.
We wouldn't have an MOD we would have a Ministry for Peace.
All these idle promises he made during the election campaign where is the money coming from for them ?
Debt AGAIN under a Labour Government, with a leader not too long back had no confidence from his fellow Labour members.

Swampy, you amaze me with the limitations of your knowledge and understanding.

"Trident gone" - hoo-bloody-ray if it is. Trident is an obsolete, expensive, inefficient missile which we LEASE from the USA. We do not own them and we need the Americans' permission to use them (independent deterrent, eh?). Their control systems run under Windows XP which Microsoft won't even guarantee for domestic users!!! We can still have nuclear-powered submarines and, if we really must, alternative nuclear weapons. Successive British Prime Ministers (of both parties) have said that we would never fire the first nuclear weapon - only in retaliation ... which rather begs the question that it's not much of a deterrent then, is it?

"Ministry for Peace" - I assume that was a joke

Election promises - so the Labour Party never keeps its promises and the Conservatives always keep theirs. Yeah, right. Are you really that gullible? :mrgreen:

Labour debt - surely the biggest lie ever perpetrated on the British electorate. In his 6 years as Chancellor, that incompetent dickhead, George Osborne, ran up more debt than ALL previous Labour governments (from Ramsay MacDonald to George Brown) put together. In addition, Labour's record in repaying debt consistently outperforms that of the Conservatives.

I, too, still have reservations about Corbyn's fitness to be Prime Minister but I am sure of one thing. He would be better than that pathetic trollop currently occupying 10 Downing Street.

[Cowshed]

Mmmmm. Poll ratings

Response to the only thing in that submission that made any sense ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Things can only get better in terms of tory leadership??? There's no such thing.
You're having a laugh, is he having a laugh? :D







Keep going with the consolation posts though. Try to forget that May was 27 points ahead and this was her 'mandate for brexit'. :mrgreen: :wink:

You're right Theresa May's loss of 27 points is too catastrophic for a lot of people in this country

The hatrick of general election victories and the decision to leave the Eu does nothing to compensate for such a loss :| :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

You're right Theresa May's loss of 27 points is too catastrophic for a lot of people in this country

The hatrick of general election victories and the decision to leave the Eu does nothing to compensate for such a loss :| :wink:

Wow. Really? You're more concerned with a banal tally of 'victories for the blue team', no matter the implications? DUP? Who they?

And as for leaving the EU - this was the election that was supposed to be the mandate for that. How we leave and under what terms, is up in the air more than ever thanks to the latest 'victory'.

[derbysaddler]

The poor, the young, the students,hippies, the liberal metropolitan elites, the Mums lurking on Mums net..... That's quite a list your gathering there Cully.

[derbysaddler]

While May was meeting our veterans Corbyn was chasing votes with the great unwashed and no doubt talking about austerity to people who have paid £300 to see some knob called stormzy.

People spending their money on things they want to? my god what absolute shits the lot of them.

Quick, log onto the Daily Mail/Express comment section to register your outrage!!

[El_Nombre]

While May was meeting our veterans Corbyn was chasing votes with the great unwashed and no doubt talking about austerity to people who have paid £300 to see some knob called stormzy.

I mean, lets be accurate here, £240, with a ton of other acts, a couple of which that would probably set you back 70 quid a pop anyway, multiple night clubs, acts ranging from light circuses to comedians, enough food stalls and areas to eat your way around the world and the ability to take your own beer by the barrel load and drink it wherever you want whilst watching whoever you want.

It's weird, some conservative voters seem to hate the idea of other people having fun. Almost like they are stuffy, uptight, noninclusive, little Englanders. I'm sure that's not the case though...

But I'll actually digress to the main point. So what if Teresa was off meeting veterans? Veterans she authorises to go off and fight for her? And the implication here is that Corbyn doesn't do that kind of thing? Lets be at least realistic. Your comment sounds like something out of a tabloid. Corbyns appearance probably took a few hours out of his day.

Maybe if Teresa had done a bit more vote appealing herself she wouldn't have blown a ridiculously big lead and had to jump into bed with anti abortion, anti LGBT, terrorist funding, bible bashers like the DUP.

[Cully]

The poor, the young, the students,hippies, the liberal metropolitan elites, the Mums lurking on Mums net..... That's quite a list your gathering there Cully.

You've forgotten to include the 'exiles' in your post and I'm sure that I once mentioned Bishops and Church leaders but hey ho you might as well chuck them in, the more the merrier.
Thank you for your kind attention and interest in my modest posts I'll try and include a reference to you in my next posts which I am more than happy to sign, is there any favourite pet or name that I need to mention?

[derbysaddler]

Grand Wizard will do fine for the time being Cully.

I will notify you when it needs changing.

[PT]

Corbyns appearance probably took a few hours out of his day.

I doubt that very much. He's proper scruffy.