Brexit Breakfast

[swampysaddler]

But it's always possible to wheel out an individual who bucks a trend and advance these as a visionary genius.

Look at the general picture - the CBI and BCC both agree that Brexit is a dangerous experiment at the very, very best and have repeatedly highlighted the negative impacts on the economy. And it's a fact that they state this.

But its not the CBI & BCC that vote in referendums is it.

As indivduals, yes. They exist as groups to inform and guide business best practice.

Ignore at your peril, oh you already did.

As I have asked before and I will try again, this is becoming quite boring now, but provide me evidence (not predictions by "I am an expert because I went to UNI" and I am a prick like the self righteous one Manchester) but HARD evidence Brexit is evil.

Come on remain voters I have said this before prove me wrong for voting Leave .
All I hear is predictions for 15-20 years time.
Well here is a prediction, Walsall will be romping the Premier League in 20 years time.
See where I am going, predictions are for the majority of the time proven wrong.
That's why they are there.
When doom and gloom is predicted, a la June 2016 which I am still waiting for Saigon, Manchester and then it is proven wrong, oh the government look good.

[swampysaddler]

Ah - so basically you start resorting to insults instead of engaging?

That's okay, Swampy. I can take it.

Anyway, I have nothing to say to you in return because, like I said, I've learned everything I need to from you.

Thanks for replying anyway.

:mrgreen:

Say's the man who tar's every Leave voter
Quote Mr Manchester Saddler "The result has come down to people who simply don't know how business works, how the economy works, how the legal system works all making a terrible choice because of things like immigration, fuelled by xenophobia. The older generation in particular. A family member, for example, who is in his mid-70s and voted Leave actually said to me"

I am 43 . I voted Leave. So where do I fit into your model of a Leave voter ?
Am I a racist ? Xenophobe ? Older generation ?
Come on Mr Self Righteous you have the right answers .
I am a 43 year old white male, I suppose I am racist for declaring my race, who voted leave.
Where do I fit in your assumption of leave voters ?

[Manchester Saddler]

Ah - so basically you start resorting to insults instead of engaging?

That's okay, Swampy. I can take it.

Anyway, I have nothing to say to you in return because, like I said, I've learned everything I need to from you.

Thanks for replying anyway.

:mrgreen:

Say's the man who tar's every Leave voter
Quote Mr Manchester Saddler "The result has come down to people who simply don't know how business works, how the economy works, how the legal system works all making a terrible choice because of things like immigration, fuelled by xenophobia. The older generation in particular. A family member, for example, who is in his mid-70s and voted Leave actually said to me"

I am 43 . I voted Leave. So where do I fit into your model of a Leave voter ?
Am I a racist ? Xenophobe ? Older generation ?
Come on Mr Self Righteous you have the right answers .
I am a 43 year old white male, I suppose I am racist for declaring my race, who voted leave.
Where do I fit in your assumption of leave voters ?

There really is no need for this anger and insults, Swampy.

Why do you do it?

Do you shout abuse at everybody you disagree with?

To be honest, you have already told me on the thread why you voted Leave - search back and find the snippet (I can't be bothered to go over old ground for you yet again).

I and others have already given you the evidence you need why Brexit is bad - search back and find the snippet (I can't be bothered to go over old ground for you yet again).

I would hate you to get thrown off the board again for approaching the line, so please try to calm down.

I like you best when you are a reasonable chap - and I know you can be.

Anyway, I'm off for a few days so maybe that will give you a chance to gather your thoughts and perhaps reread some of my posts and others like Chester, Saigon, Exile and other Remainers, as well as your own. The answers you seek are all there. And if you want to finally answer the questions I have been posing since the very beginning of this thread then feel free to do so (though as I said - you already have).

:D

[Exile]

Nice to know we can rely on a good old swampy rant every page. Still hasn’t posted his thoughts about why leav8ng the EU is so great, or tell us why he voted for it, but apparently everyone else has to justify their opinion before he’ll let us in on his superior knowledge,

That’s what happens when the Redtops run 4 negative headlines a week on immigration, and 3 based on lies about the EU, in the run up to a referendum, and declare themselves in favour of exiting the EU. Clue: they’re owned by billionaires based overseas who pay no tax. Of course they want to fudge over the workers and earn more. Low tax Britain is their stated aim, so kiss goodbye to the NHS, and start saving hard, because your pension is next.

[WillenhallManiac]

This article exposes arch brexiteers as hapless dreamers divorced from reality.

https://www.ft.com/content/ed21472f-043 ... ef0a01fef4

You may have to to submit a simple questionaire to view it.

alternatively view
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/com ... gby_jones/

Sadly they managed to sell a pup to a majority of those who voted, but not a majority of the electorate.

In my opinion it is likely that the deals we reach will strike those who voted for Brexit as an unsatisfactory sell out, while the rest of us wonder what anyone imagined we had to gain from the process. Leaving everyone disatisfied dissillusioned and disunited. So much for "soveriengty" and the "will of the people" which in reality is newspeak for the biggest minority has absolute power to dictate our direction but no ability to deliver on its promises.

[Guest]

Big move to Rotterdam is not a Brexit snub, says Unilever

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/big- ... -n2dg99bkw

Of course it is.

And there are more to come...

[tinned]

Big move to Rotterdam is not a Brexit snub, says Unilever

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/big- ... -n2dg99bkw

Of course it is.

And there are more to come...

Perhaps Heinz predicted Brexit near on 12 years ago!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lland.html

This sort of international restructuring has been going on for years and will continue for years to come whatever the political/economic landscape. To pin it purely on Brexit is ludicrous.

Post Brexit we'll be able to have more chance of keeping these companies because we won't be handcuffed by EU laws that restrict our abilities to offer deals to companies.

[SaigonSaddler]

Big move to Rotterdam is not a Brexit snub, says Unilever

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/big- ... -n2dg99bkw

Of course it is.

And there are more to come...

This sort of INVESTMENT has been going on for years and will continue for years to come whatever the political/economic landscape. To pin it purely on Brexit is ludicrous.

Post Brexit we'll be able to have more chance of keeping these companies because we won't be handcuffed by EU laws that restrict our abilities to offer deals to companies.

Except companies need access to the EU market, customs and tariff free: that's the whole point.

How do we know? Because that's what they specifically say.

Also changed, 'restructuring' for 'investment' to highlight the absurdity of the over-excitement over 700 (potential) jobs.

[Super Gabor]

A fairly stunning comment from Chris Grayling on QT last night in Dover. When asked if Brexit will turn Kent into a lorry park with 29 mile tail backs, he said "no, as there will be no border checks"! When Brexiteers banged on about taking back control of our borders, I don't think they envisaged this.

Seems to have convinced himself that coming out of the Customs Union will generate even less need for border checks than remaining in the CU. Bizarre.

[Manchester Saddler]

A fairly stunning comment from Chris Grayling on QT last night in Dover. When asked if Brexit will turn Kent into a lorry park with 29 mile tail backs, he said "no, as there will be no border checks"! When Brexiteers banged on about taking back control of our borders, I don't think they envisaged this.

Seems to have convinced himself that coming out of the Customs Union will generate even less need for border checks than remaining in the CU. Bizarre.

:lol:

Didn't see this as I was away - but it proves what a mess Brexit has become.

[BarnsleySaddler]

A fairly stunning comment from Chris Grayling on QT last night in Dover. When asked if Brexit will turn Kent into a lorry park with 29 mile tail backs, he said "no, as there will be no border checks"! When Brexiteers banged on about taking back control of our borders, I don't think they envisaged this.

Seems to have convinced himself that coming out of the Customs Union will generate even less need for border checks than remaining in the CU. Bizarre.

:lol:

Didn't see this as I was away - but it proves what a mess Brexit has become.

Now saying it could be a 5 hour queue at the train for cars.

Brexiteers bang on about wanting evidence from remainers over how bad it could be but refuse to provide evidence as to how good leaving will be. In reality neither side can provide evidence. The difference is that all the current reports point towards leaving being a bad experience, the effects of the vote (drop in value of the £, numbers of EU workers laving the NHS) that is evidence.
As we were told that we would be better off when leaving as an individual can someone please advise me how a Retirement Pensioner will be made better off by the UK leaving the EU

[SaigonSaddler]

Germany exports FIVE times more than us to China - WOW and them handcuffed to the EU.

Goes to show what you can do if you retain a manufacturing industry.

#freetotrade
#bollocks
#FACT

[aaaae]

Germany exports FIVE times more than us to China - WOW and them handcuffed to the EU.

Goes to show what you can do if you retain a manufacturing industry.

#freetotrade
#bollocks
#FACT

Haven't got time to reply fully, but suffice to say Thatcher was truly a fudge!

[Guest]

A fairly stunning comment from Chris Grayling on QT last night in Dover. When asked if Brexit will turn Kent into a lorry park with 29 mile tail backs, he said "no, as there will be no border checks"! When Brexiteers banged on about taking back control of our borders, I don't think they envisaged this.

Seems to have convinced himself that coming out of the Customs Union will generate even less need for border checks than remaining in the CU. Bizarre.

:lol:

Didn't see this as I was away - but it proves what a mess Brexit has become.

You can watch it here:

https://youtu.be/ugKYaJ1nuSw

[Super Gabor]

A fairly stunning comment from Chris Grayling on QT last night in Dover. When asked if Brexit will turn Kent into a lorry park with 29 mile tail backs, he said "no, as there will be no border checks"! When Brexiteers banged on about taking back control of our borders, I don't think they envisaged this.

Seems to have convinced himself that coming out of the Customs Union will generate even less need for border checks than remaining in the CU. Bizarre.

:lol:

Didn't see this as I was away - but it proves what a mess Brexit has become.

You can watch it here:

https://youtu.be/ugKYaJ1nuSw

Question kicks in at 49.30.

By far the most intelligent and informed input into the whole show last week was by the Irish MEP.

[Manchester Saddler]

So basically Kent is going to become one giant lorry park?

Or not?

Arse and elbow leap to mind.

Stop this madness!

[Guest]

More madness!! :mrgreen:

'A national humiliation': Brexiteers furious as Franco-Dutch firm 'wins contract to produce blue passports'
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 96026.html

[Manchester Saddler]

More madness!! :mrgreen:

'A national humiliation': Brexiteers furious as Franco-Dutch firm 'wins contract to produce blue passports'
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 96026.html

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Utter OUTRAGE from all corners of the Brexiter camp, no doubt.

Seriously, this is how petty Brexit has become. So much for "planning our own destiny!". If we can't find a British company who can make our beloved BLUE passports then we are utterly forked.

What a forking joke!!

What do you think of THAT Brexiters??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SaigonSaddler]

WHAT??!!

So not De La Rue who've lost the contract to a cheaper and less secure passport ... but it's BLUE!!!.

You can buy a 19 pence BLUE cover at any post office.

And always could.

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

[Morty]

I thought the idea of Brexit was "to make Britain great again" and revive our manufacturing industry!?? :?:

So instead we're going to put 600 jobs at De La Rue at risk so that the French can make our passports!??? :shock:

#youcouldn'tmakeitup :oops:

[Manchester Saddler]

:lol:

Express readers OUTRAGED!!!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/93542 ... ad-Gemalto

[reedswood sadler]

More madness!! :mrgreen:

'A national humiliation': Brexiteers furious as Franco-Dutch firm 'wins contract to produce blue passports'
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 96026.html

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Utter OUTRAGE from all corners of the Brexiter camp, no doubt.

Seriously, this is how petty Brexit has become. So much for "planning our own destiny!". If we can't find a British company who can make our beloved BLUE passports then we are utterly forked.

What a forking joke!!

What do you think of THAT Brexiters??

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

A big thank you to the people of Gateshead who voted by a large margin to leave by giving UK jobs to the EU even after we have left.
One of the reasons up north was because firms were being closed down and moved to the EU making people feel neglected I wonder if this would have gone through if the jobs lost were in the south.

[WillenhallManiac]

Blue passports to reek of garlic
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/blue-passports-to-reek-of-garlic-20180322146297

[swampysaddler]

Couldn't really give a cack what color my passport is.
Make it pink for all I care.
But this contract being given to a French country wouldn't have anything to with the following FACT that at the moment we are still tied by EU cack.

"Under EU procurement rules, the Home Office had been required to throw open the bidding process to European firms".
The comment is about half way down the story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43489462

Come March next year you know exactly where the EU can shove their "Procurement rules"

[Exile]

Couldn't really give a cack what color my passport is.
Make it pink for all I care.
But this contract being given to a French country wouldn't have anything to with the following FACT that at the moment we are still tied by EU cack.

"Under EU procurement rules, the Home Office had been required to throw open the bidding process to European firms".
The comment is about half way down the story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43489462

Come March next year you know exactly where the EU can shove their "Procurement rules"

Those are the same procurement rules that allow UK businesses to bid for European contracts.

[Manchester Saddler]

The rhetoric from Brexiters is as strange and disturbing as it is hilarious.

It's almost as if, in some Brexiters' minds, we are at war with the EU.

If you read the Daily Express readers comments on a blue identification booklet (which is essentially what a passport is), they use words like "treason" and
"traitors",

I think this says a lot about the mindset of some of these people.

Note for any "snowflake" Brexiters - I didn't say ALL Brexiters.

I'd hate to make you all as outraged as some of those Express readers!

:lol: :D

[derbysaddler]

Wow, the comments section on that Express article is solid gold mentalism.

[shrewsbury saddler]

I thought Keir Starmer was better than this cynical piece of opportunism.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... ld-be-made

[tinned]

Wow, the comments section on that Express article is solid gold mentalism.

I like the fact that nobody who is outraged by a foreign company making British passports seems to care the journalist of a British paper is Italian :mrgreen:

[Manchester Saddler]

I thought Keir Starmer was better than this cynical piece of opportunism.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... ld-be-made

He's just trying to score points. It's pathetic really.