Brexit Breakfast

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

[chunkster]

There you go manc, you have found something positive to come out of brexit :D :mrgreen:

[swampysaddler]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

He won't. He will preach predictions and forecasts because he has no hard evidence to back up his claims.
I have been ignoring this thread so that I don't feed the ego.

[Manchester Saddler]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

He won't. He will preach predictions and forecasts because he has no hard evidence to back up his claims.
I have been ignoring this thread so that I don't feed the ego.

You haven't been ignoring the thread - you are one of the most prolific contributors. :D

Are you the UTS Donald Trump? :D :wink:

P.S. Add "feed Manchester's ego" to the list.

[Manchester Saddler]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

We have prospered massively in the EU - the fact that we were 5th best economy in the world proves that. I want an open Europe with freedom to travel and work. We have (or had) the power to massively influence the largest trading block in the world. We are (were) one of the most influential countries in the EU and because of this we have become one of the most respected and influential countries in the world.

We are giving all of that up.

Okay - your turn.

Why is Brexit good fo us?

[canadiansaddler]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

nationalism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country

Strange people dont want to admit it but below the surface that what it boils down to - a powerful force that is often illogical - no bullshit lies needed

[swampysaddler]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

He won't. He will preach predictions and forecasts because he has no hard evidence to back up his claims.
I have been ignoring this thread so that I don't feed the ego.

You haven't been ignoring the thread - you are one of the most prolific contributors. :D

Are you the UTS Donald Trump? :D :wink:

P.S. Add "feed Manchester's ego" to the list.

What is the point in engaging with you when you can't provide evidence to back up your claims "the country is turning" ?
I ask for evidence you go off on a speel evidence is hard to prove.
Simple terms,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you have none.

Simple task AGAIN Manchester provide me evidence that the country is turning and are anti Brexit and that Brexit is evil.
Lay it down in laymans terms for you. Provide evidence that you are not only talking to your mates in the pub, that you have a universal opinion Brexit is bad.
Come on it is not hard.
You claim you talk to a lot of people who have changed their minds, which you probably have in your little enclave, but you claim the country is turning. If that is true where is your proof ?
I will even allow your normal predictions and forecasts, and not from the Guardian.

On a side note I did notice your support for Labour the other month.
What is you view on what could be the future Home Secretary views on the alleged poisoning in Salisbury.

"Diane Abbott on Radio 4 and the alleged Russian poisoning: "We can't have deaths like this in London and the South East"...

Made it huge so you could let it sink in.
It happened in Salisbury and the bloke ain't dead yet but you want to back that as Home Secretary ?

[swampysaddler]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

We have prospered massively in the EU - the fact that we were 5th best economy in the world proves that. I want an open Europe with freedom to travel and work. We have (or had) the power to massively influence the largest trading block in the world. We are (were) one of the most influential countries in the EU and because of this we have become one of the most respected and influential countries in the world.

We are giving all of that up.

Okay - your turn.

Why is Brexit good fo us?

And we still be and prosper even more AFTER we leave the EU unless you can provide me proof to deny that.
So come on Manchester you claim we are now one of the most respected and influential countries in the world so what will change 29/03/2019 ?
Will we become the burden of the world ?
Will we crash and burn, as you predicted June 2016 ?

I will tell you what will change shall I, we will be in control of our own destiny. Not governed by people who don't have our best interests at heart.
But you would rather be governed by France/Germany EU ?
Simple answer , move to France/Germany. You won't be missed.
Unless you haven't realized "the voice of Britain" as it used to be, has risen.
So all you little snowflakes, oh he hurt my feelings posting that, had better watch out.

[SaigonSaddler]

I'm calling Troll on Swamps.

Swampy has an opinion, but failure to acknowledge relevant evidence and repeatedly asking for evidence is a basic breakdown in willingness to engage.

You have made a point that the economy didn't collapse in June 2016. This is a valid point, to some extent, highlighting a over-estimation in the initial impact of Brexit by some. But looking deeper into the issue, the Bank of England moved to negate the initial fallout, the potential level of affect was massively over-blown by the extremes of both camps, and it misses the reality of the ongoing situation.

Harking back to the very worst mooted impacts, some of which are misunderstandings or wilful confections of the worst possible scenarios is increasingly irrelevant as time passes.

There is plenty of evidence that has been provided, the vast majority of which details the negative impact of Brexit on the economy. The handling of negotiations is also extremely poor.

Calling for evidence, receiving it, and then complaining that no evidence has been provided while asserting that other input is conclusive proof of a position is an extremely flawed way to engage and, over time, loses any value.

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

In January Macron stated that given the same choice that we had in or out of the EU the French people would probably have voted out.
How long do remainers think it will be before the French electorate will demand a referendum and then other countries follow,Its a broken failing system and I would vote out another hundred times given the choice.

[SaigonSaddler]

In January Macron stated that given the same choice that we had in or out of the EU the French people would probably have voted out.
How long do remainers think it will be before the French electorate will demand a referendum and then other countries follow,Its a broken failing system and I would vote out another hundred times given the choice.

The point being that they wouldn't after seeing the consequences on the UK.

We've just surrendered our financial passporting services, which were a vital part in our 20 billion financial services surplus with the EU.

[Manchester Saddler]

What is the point in engaging with you when you can't provide evidence to back up your claims "the country is turning" ?
I ask for evidence you go off on a speel evidence is hard to prove.
Simple terms,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you have none.

Simple task AGAIN Manchester provide me evidence that the country is turning and are anti Brexit and that Brexit is evil.
Lay it down in laymans terms for you. Provide evidence that you are not only talking to your mates in the pub, that you have a universal opinion Brexit is bad.
Come on it is not hard.
You claim you talk to a lot of people who have changed their minds, which you probably have in your little enclave, but you claim the country is turning. If that is true where is your proof ?
I will even allow your normal predictions and forecasts, and not from the Guardian.

On a side note I did notice your support for Labour the other month.
What is you view on what could be the future Home Secretary views on the alleged poisoning in Salisbury.

"Diane Abbott on Radio 4 and the alleged Russian poisoning: "We can't have deaths like this in London and the South East"...

Made it huge so you could let it sink in.
It happened in Salisbury and the bloke ain't dead yet but you want to back that as Home Secretary ?

Wow! The gall of the man. If the contents of this thread don't make you a laughing stock after this post then I don't know what will.

I'm kind of fed up of repeating myself so I will refer to the previous 27 pages of evidence from myself and other Remainers. There are only so many tomes we can type.

I think Saigon may have made a point when he accuses you of trolling but I think it's different.

I've been reading a lot about Scientology recently and your recent posts on this thread suggests you are trying to "attack the attacker" in the same way Scientology does to suppressive persons.

I think that you simply have no answer so are trying to change the emphasis around.

No matter. Like I said on a previous post, you have nothing to offer to the debate any more.

I know why you voted Brexit and I know why you think Brexit is great. It has nothing to do with the future (even though you also predict that we will be amazing under Brexit with no evidence to support it - oh the hypocrisy!).

I've learned everything I need to know from you.

I await other Brexiter's answers though. I have told NSD just a few short posts above one of the reasons I voted Brexit and I have repeatedly told people why Brexit is bad (as have others). You simply refuse to read the evidence. That's your problem not mine.

Also, the right v left argument is moot - I don't really get why you keep using the "lefty" argument. Have you ever debated before?

Diane Abbott? So what? What's that got to do with Brexit? Just about sums you up.

:D

[Manchester Saddler]

In January Macron stated that given the same choice that we had in or out of the EU the French people would probably have voted out.
How long do remainers think it will be before the French electorate will demand a referendum and then other countries follow,Its a broken failing system and I would vote out another hundred times given the choice.

Yes he did. But the emphasis here is the word "probably". Also, Brexiters (well Swampy in particular) say they deal in facts (even though they don't) so this is just one man's opinion and therefore pure speculation. Granted he is the French President so maybe his opinion is a bit more relevant but ultimately it is just speculation.

Tell me why you think the EU is "broken" and "failing"?

Simply based on something Macron said or something more significant? Maybe the rise of the Right in Europe and America? Remember what happened in the 1930's and 1940's when that happened?

Like I said above, our success in the past 40 years is mostly due to the EU.

Until June 2016 we were in a fantastic position on the world stage. 5th biggest economy and thriving. Now down to 6th and falling (evidence Swampy!!).

Tell me why we should ruin that by leaving?

It makes no sense.

[chunkster]

In January Macron stated that given the same choice that we had in or out of the EU the French people would probably have voted out.
How long do remainers think it will be before the French electorate will demand a referendum and then other countries follow,Its a broken failing system and I would vote out another hundred times given the choice.

And it is looking like the Italians want out :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

In January Macron stated that given the same choice that we had in or out of the EU the French people would probably have voted out.
How long do remainers think it will be before the French electorate will demand a referendum and then other countries follow,Its a broken failing system and I would vote out another hundred times given the choice.

And it is looking like the Italians want out :wink:

To be honest, the best bet for our selfish interests is if the whole thing disintegrates and we are there to fashion a new set of rules. But that's a pipe dream I think. It would probably split into zones of influence, with Germany leading the main block.

[chunkster]

In January Macron stated that given the same choice that we had in or out of the EU the French people would probably have voted out.
How long do remainers think it will be before the French electorate will demand a referendum and then other countries follow,Its a broken failing system and I would vote out another hundred times given the choice.

And it is looking like the Italians want out :wink:

To be honest, the best bet for our selfish interests is if the whole thing disintegrates and we are there to fashion a new set of rules. But that's a pipe dream I think. It would probably split into zones of influence, with Germany leading the main block.

Yep you are probably right, i can't help thinking that in years to come we will be seen as pioneers though :wink:

[PINNACLE]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

We have prospered massively in the EU - the fact that we were 5th best economy in the world proves that. I want an open Europe with freedom to travel and work. We have (or had) the power to massively influence the largest trading block in the world. We are (were) one of the most influential countries in the EU and because of this we have become one of the most respected and influential countries in the world.

We are giving all of that up.

Okay - your turn.

Why is Brexit good fo us?

We were 4th in 1970 before our entry into the common market, slipped to 5th within a year later and pretty much stayed there since !
Where is your answer to the Italian swing in the vote or are you waiting for them to justify themselves to you and Robin :lol:

[SaigonSaddler]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

We have prospered massively in the EU - the fact that we were 5th best economy in the world proves that. I want an open Europe with freedom to travel and work. We have (or had) the power to massively influence the largest trading block in the world. We are (were) one of the most influential countries in the EU and because of this we have become one of the most respected and influential countries in the world.

We are giving all of that up.

Okay - your turn.

Why is Brexit good fo us?

We were 4th in 1970 before our entry into the common market, slipped to 5th within a year later and pretty much stayed there since !
Where is your answer to the Italian swing in the vote or are you waiting for them to justify themselves to you and Robin :lol:

I would respond but I can't find my green tights. :? :D

[tinned]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

We have prospered massively in the EU - the fact that we were 5th best economy in the world proves that. I want an open Europe with freedom to travel and work. We have (or had) the power to massively influence the largest trading block in the world. We are (were) one of the most influential countries in the EU and because of this we have become one of the most respected and influential countries in the world.

We are giving all of that up.

Okay - your turn.

Why is Brexit good fo us?

We were 4th in 1970 before our entry into the common market, slipped to 5th within a year later and pretty much stayed there since !
Where is your answer to the Italian swing in the vote or are you waiting for them to justify themselves to you and Robin :lol:

I would respond but I can't find my green tights. :? :D

Translated that reads "I've got no answer to that so will make a "funny" quip".

[tinned]

In January Macron stated that given the same choice that we had in or out of the EU the French people would probably have voted out.
How long do remainers think it will be before the French electorate will demand a referendum and then other countries follow,Its a broken failing system and I would vote out another hundred times given the choice.

And it is looking like the Italians want out :wink:

To be honest, the best bet for our selfish interests is if the whole thing disintegrates and we are there to fashion a new set of rules. But that's a pipe dream I think. It would probably split into zones of influence, with Germany leading the main block.

It will disintegrate anyway. I doubt there will be an EU in 15-20 years time.

[SaigonSaddler]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

We have prospered massively in the EU - the fact that we were 5th best economy in the world proves that. I want an open Europe with freedom to travel and work. We have (or had) the power to massively influence the largest trading block in the world. We are (were) one of the most influential countries in the EU and because of this we have become one of the most respected and influential countries in the world.

We are giving all of that up.

Okay - your turn.

Why is Brexit good fo us?

We were 4th in 1970 before our entry into the common market, slipped to 5th within a year later and pretty much stayed there since !
Where is your answer to the Italian swing in the vote or are you waiting for them to justify themselves to you and Robin :lol:

I would respond but I can't find my green tights. :? :D

Translated that reads "I've got no answer to that so will make a "funny" quip".

Oh look, someone can't find humour in a light-hearted post. That sounds fun.

Translated your "point" reads ... "I've never been able to supply anything of substance to this debate so will take an opportunity to snipe over something, anything to make my appalling justifications less utterly absurd".

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Manchester Saddler]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

We have prospered massively in the EU - the fact that we were 5th best economy in the world proves that. I want an open Europe with freedom to travel and work. We have (or had) the power to massively influence the largest trading block in the world. We are (were) one of the most influential countries in the EU and because of this we have become one of the most respected and influential countries in the world.

We are giving all of that up.

Okay - your turn.

Why is Brexit good fo us?

We were 4th in 1970 before our entry into the common market, slipped to 5th within a year later and pretty much stayed there since !
Where is your answer to the Italian swing in the vote or are you waiting for them to justify themselves to you and Robin :lol:

No we weren't - we were 6th!

I don't particularly care about Italy but I do know that apparently Italians do not want to pull out of the EU - they just want EU reform - something we want too - except we can't influence the EU any more.

D'OH!!

:D

[SaigonSaddler]

Now Captain Miserable has rocked up with his anti-humour cannonade, suppose I had better earnest hack my way through the latest shitposting non-event of a Brexit point.

Except their isn't one. We've fallen from 5th to 6th in November 2017 following a post-Brexit drop in growth. No surprise - it was predicted and has happened.

And Italy voting in a general election is a vast chasm away from Italy leaving, which is again another chasm away from the break-up of the EU.

That's it. :?:

Back to aggressive sulking in a corner for the Wrexiteers, or more miserable sniping about light-hearted posts.

[Manchester Saddler]

Now Captain Miserable has rocked up with his anti-humour cannonade, suppose I had better earnest hack my way through the latest shitposting non-event of a Brexit point.

Except their isn't one. We've fallen from 5th to 6th in November 2017 following a post-Brexit drop in growth. No surprise - it was predicted and has happened.

And Italy voting in a general election is a vast chasm away from Italy leaving, which is again another chasm away from the break-up of the EU.

That's it. :?:

Back to aggressive sulking in a corner for the Wrexiteers, or more miserable sniping about light-hearted posts.

Still nothing about why Brexit is good apart from the nonsense about "controlling our borders" - which incidentally we were already able to so.

[SaigonSaddler]

In January Macron stated that given the same choice that we had in or out of the EU the French people would probably have voted out.
How long do remainers think it will be before the French electorate will demand a referendum and then other countries follow,Its a broken failing system and I would vote out another hundred times given the choice.

And it is looking like the Italians want out :wink:

To be honest, the best bet for our selfish interests is if the whole thing disintegrates and we are there to fashion a new set of rules. But that's a pipe dream I think. It would probably split into zones of influence, with Germany leading the main block.

It will disintegrate anyway. I doubt there will be an EU in 15-20 years time.

Oh yeah, just like the UK was going to be forceably integrated into an EU army?

Comedy gold.

[chunkster]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

We have prospered massively in the EU - the fact that we were 5th best economy in the world proves that. I want an open Europe with freedom to travel and work. We have (or had) the power to massively influence the largest trading block in the world. We are (were) one of the most influential countries in the EU and because of this we have become one of the most respected and influential countries in the world.

We are giving all of that up.

Okay - your turn.

Why is Brexit good fo us?

We were 4th in 1970 before our entry into the common market, slipped to 5th within a year later and pretty much stayed there since !
Where is your answer to the Italian swing in the vote or are you waiting for them to justify themselves to you and Robin :lol:

No we weren't - we were 6th!

I don't particularly care about Italy but I do know that apparently Italians do not want to pull out of the EU - they just want EU reform - something we want too - except we can't influence the EU any more.

D'OH!!

:D

Because we voted not to be part of it anymore :| trust me as i said we will be the catalyst for the break up of the EU and seen as the pioneers of a new era in country's being able to stand on their own 2 feet and trading on merit :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

Because we voted not to be part of it anymore :| trust me as i said we will be the catalyst for the break up of the EU and seen as the pioneers of a new era in country's being able to stand on their own 2 feet and trading on merit :wink:

Except that's all we have left, some thin hope that the whole enterprise will come crashing down and Europe will enter the kind of miasma not seen since the 30 years war, with everything that implies. Charming.

Back in the real world: We've just surrendered our EU passport for financial services, real issues with real consequences.

[Exile]

Manchester I am puzzled.What is the obvious reason people voted to leave? please enlighten me.

We have prospered massively in the EU - the fact that we were 5th best economy in the world proves that. I want an open Europe with freedom to travel and work. We have (or had) the power to massively influence the largest trading block in the world. We are (were) one of the most influential countries in the EU and because of this we have become one of the most respected and influential countries in the world.

We are giving all of that up.

Okay - your turn.

Why is Brexit good fo us?

We were 4th in 1970 before our entry into the common market, slipped to 5th within a year later and pretty much stayed there since !
Where is your answer to the Italian swing in the vote or are you waiting for them to justify themselves to you and Robin :lol:

We didn’t join the EEC till 1973. Perhaps in light of this three year lag it’d be good to remind Wrexit types that bad things take time, and, crucuially, you haven’t left yet...

[Wragbyred]

I see Siemens have announced plans to develop a site on Humberside for train making

A German company investing in Britain?....Hmm wonder why?

[Guest]

I see Siemens have announced plans to develop a site on Humberside for train making

A German company investing in Britain?....Hmm wonder why?

Profit?