2017 General Election Thread

[SaigonSaddler]

It looks like we'll be sending the Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team to Brussels. I hope they can come up with a handy acronym for us all to remember.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[chunkster]

It looks like we'll be sending the Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team to Brussels. I hope they can come up with a handy acronym for us all to remember.

:lol: :lol: :lol: brilliant :lol:

[boringteacher]

nicked it, but I'm trying to come up with a Coalition of ?

Wish I'd have made it up

[Wragbyred]

can they still do that? i thought once article 50 had been triggered it couldn't be reversed?

It can indeed be stopped as long as all EU members agree.

As previously mentioned, the exit procedure was deliberately written vaguely. It was unchartered waters and they wanted allow room for common sense in the circumstances rather than hard and fast rules that should be followed to the letter.

So we can ignore the 52% that voted for it???

[shrewsbury saddler]

This is a story that will continue to fascinate in a train-crash sort of way. The DUP has had enough scandal and hypocrisy to rival any mainland party, and on social issues they make UKIP look like progressive liberals.

[derbysaddler]

Interesting night.

Time for the conservatives to remove the likes of Crosby as their policy guide. Move to the centre to establish sensible policy rather than the destructive neo liberal wasteland that some of them bizarrely fantasize about...again must be a tribal thing.

Brexit...we need to negotiate properly with them, rather than the government taking its position from whatever batshit crazy headline the mail/express/sun is wobbling on about.

Ukip, pretty much destroyed. Good, they are an irrelevance.

Now, the tories negotiating with the DUP, making deals with proper odd bods it seems.

Kudos to Corbyn for encouraging the younger generation to vote.


Period??? :arrow:

[chunkster]

Interesting night.

Time for the conservatives to remove the likes of Crosby as their policy guide. Move to the centre to establish sensible policy rather than the destructive neo liberal wasteland that some of them bizarrely fantasize about...again must be a tribal thing.

Brexit...we need to negotiate properly with them, rather than the government taking its position from whatever batshit crazy headline the mail/express/sun is wobbling on about.

Ukip, pretty much destroyed. Good, they are an irrelevance.

Now, the tories negotiating with the DUP, making deals with proper odd bods it seems.

Kudos to Corbyn for encouraging the younger generation to vote.


Period??? :arrow:

Agree with some of that. but don't you think that the youth have not had, or experienced the problems that the older generation have had with labour?

[PT]

What a very entertaining evening.

The Northern Ireland vote itself was very interesting with voters returning the more extreme ends of their traditions with the more moderate parties losing out. This actually plays into Tory hands as Sinn Fein never take their seats which gives the Tories a bigger buffer than would have existed if the SDLP taken their seats alongside their traditional parliamentary allies in the Labour Party.

The Tories were Whitney-esque in their approach to holding on to a big lead. I'm surprised May hasn't come out and suggested how disappointed she was in some of the senior lads, how some of the youngsters needed to "man - up" and how that voters that had left the bandwagon shouldn't assume they'd be let back on it.

[Ancient Moaner]

I see Labour have held Leigh, AM. :D

And Wigan.

As previously stated, Leigh would vote for a Labour candidate if they put forward an untrained chimp with a cleft lip!
Pit and cotton tradition...at least the blues got two votes! :lol: :lol:

The only REAL good to come out of yesterdays vote was having that Scottish poison dwarf put in her place!

[derbysaddler]

Agree with some of that. but don't you think that the youth have not had, or experienced the problems that the older generation have had with labour?

Potentially, they can only vote on their own experiences though, you could flip that on any generation and how they felt under governments at specific times.

But you have to ask, what did the Tory manifesto offer to them for the future? Forget wishlists and unicorns, their manifesto was a lazy and miserable statement that bordered on complacency.

[ShropsSaddler]

The only REAL good to come out of yesterdays vote was having that Scottish poison dwarf put in her place!

Is that place "leader of a party which won 59% of the seats available"? How your Mrs May would have liked such a figure!

[chunkster]

Agree with some of that. but don't you think that the youth have not had, or experienced the problems that the older generation have had with labour?

Potentially, they can only vote on their own experiences though, you could flip that on any generation and how they felt under governments at specific times.

But you have to ask, what did the Tory manifesto offer to them for the future? Forget wishlists and unicorns, their manifesto was a lazy and miserable statement that bordered on complacency.

ye true :| and coupled with the tory's thinking they could ride rough shod over their main voters by means testing the winter fuel allowance and ending the triple lock pension they pretty much shot themselves in the head didn't they :|

[swampysaddler]

I see Labour have held Leigh, AM. :D

And Wigan.

As previously stated, Leigh would vote for a Labour candidate if they put forward an untrained chimp with a cleft lip!
Pit and cotton tradition...at least the blues got two votes! :lol: :lol:

The only REAL good to come out of yesterdays vote was having that Scottish poison dwarf put in her place!

Leigh is a shithole anyway, I should know I lived there (but I saw the light and left).
Andy Burnham area, you know him Corbyn lovers. The man who oversaw the Mid Staffs NHS crisis but jumped ship from running from re-election to become an unwanted Major of Manchester.

[Guest]

Now that they have all these Scottish Tory MPs, they may have to take into account Scotland's view of Brexit as well.

After decades of moaning about having to suffer a Tory government they never voted for, Scotland effectively put them back in power.

[saddlerken]

Theresa May and her Campaign team of turds are a massive bunch of cockwombles.

What a monumentally bad approach to the electorate.

Embarrassing.

Thankfully that's as close as Corbyn will get to power. He can't promise more than the world next time to the gullible public. He's already done that. Unless of course he's open about taxing 'the many AND the few', which will be a nice little vote loser.

Garden Tax anyone? :roll:

[shrewsbury saddler]

A few years ago, England cricket coach David Lloyd was ridiculed for saying, "We murdered them," after England drew with a poor Zimbabwe side. I can't help but think of this when I hear Labour crowing. Seven years of Tory led austerity, a leader you wouldn't trust to be a park run volunteer, and what have they achieved? Basically the same election result which got Gordon Brown labelled a political failure.

[NEWPORT SADDLERS DAD]

A few years ago, England cricket coach David Lloyd was ridiculed for saying, "We murdered them," after England drew with a poor Zimbabwe side. I can't help but think of this when I hear Labour crowing. Seven years of Tory led austerity, a leader you wouldn't trust to be a park run volunteer, and what have they achieved? Basically the same election result which got Gordon Brown labelled a political failure.

I think you should withdraw you comment on park run volunteers,they do it for many worthy reasons.

[shrewsbury saddler]

The slight is in your eyes. None was intended or given. I don't think that the park run volunteers feel it's the most difficult part of their lives. If I'd said " to wash my car," would that have been a slight on all valeters?

[moaning saddler]

A few years ago, England cricket coach David Lloyd was ridiculed for saying, "We murdered them," after England drew with a poor Zimbabwe side. I can't help but think of this when I hear Labour crowing. Seven years of Tory led austerity, a leader you wouldn't trust to be a park run volunteer, and what have they achieved? Basically the same election result which got Gordon Brown labelled a political failure.

Errr, it's the consequences of the result that measure the "achievement".
The immediate consequence is that the Tories are in internal Mayhem and Labour have totally unexpected Momentum.
It will probably all turn on its head again at some point, which is why politics is the best soap opera ever.

Calling an election partly to try to marginalise some of the more awkward members of your own party while seeking a "mandate" from the people which you didn't really need, only to end up having to get into bed with a bunch of wingnuts in order to cling on to power is utterly bizarre.
Which is why, this time, it's the winner who is being labelled a political failure.

[Ancient Moaner]

What a shambles the country is left in, whilst Corbyn offered Joe-public lists of unobtainable pipe dreams (costed my arse) they fell for it. May put forward one of the most boring dreary manifesto's in the history of Politics, attacking her core supporters (old folk who have known the horrors of life under Labour) they offered nowt but more austerity, more cuts, to NHS and police, and a promise to cut the deficit in a number of years (what the frig does that matter to Joe- public?).
So, we are left with a hung parliament with no strength to fight Jonny foreigner in the EU, Christ they must be laughing their socks off. Bet they will demand sums off us that would embarrass our annual foreign aid to India! (someone has to pay for their space programme, it might as well be us!)

How we could do with a strong plausible leader, not afraid to speak the truth for a change, who would defend the honour of Great Britain out there in the cruel world, we are left in lala land, at the mercy of Europe...I thought we had already fought a war against that lot and won, it don't seem like it now.

[reedswood sadler]

A few years ago, England cricket coach David Lloyd was ridiculed for saying, "We murdered them," after England drew with a poor Zimbabwe side. I can't help but think of this when I hear Labour crowing. Seven years of Tory led austerity, a leader you wouldn't trust to be a park run volunteer, and what have they achieved? Basically the same election result which got Gordon Brown labelled a political failure.

This is what is confusing me I always thought that the party/team/side with the most points/seats were the winners.
Even though May has led the worst campaign ever the Tories ended up with the most seats even if they did not get enough for a majority but in all the interviews with Corbyn he keeps stating that Labour won and the Tories lost and he is ready to lead a government one deluded labour MP said on television that Corbyn was on the way to see the queen.
Labour did very well far better than expected and Corbyn had the better campaign proving many wrong but still had less seats so didnot win.

[chunkster]

nicked it, but I'm trying to come up with a Coalition of ?

Wish I'd have made it up

Here is another
" Tories Win Another Term Somehow" :lol:

[boringteacher]

nicked it, but I'm trying to come up with a Coalition of ?

Wish I'd have made it up

Here is another
" Tories Win Another Term Somehow" :lol:

:lol:
Coalition of Chaos works fine for me - I'd suggest its use on all occasions (though not on Sundays)

[Cowshed]

Now let me get this right

Because this is priceless

A party has been in government for 7 years and looks directionless
They have made unprecedented cuts to services
Champion austerity
They have a leader with no personality
A leader regarded as the party's worst for decades
They have a leader who said 7 times she would not have an election then called one being opportunist
A leader who presided over police cuts and blamed for security shortfall after terrorist incidents during the campaign
The worst election manifesto ever not costed
A manifesto that penalised pensioners the party's core vote
A leader that made a upturn on the manifesto when challenged
A leader who didn't turn up to debates
A leader who has had the worst campaign in memory
A leader who had to deal with the opposition party making promises to pay 30,000 fees to students and to give 10,000 more police officers and other popular giveaways


Now this party won the most votes

So how bad must Corbyn be if he couldn't get as many votes as the shower above?

And yet Some muppets are saying Corbyn is the winner :shock: :shock:

The new definition of Fake News

Scotland 2 England 2

Scotland are the real winners

Gordon Strachan is arranging a meeting with the queen as we speak to seek the 3 points

[moaning saddler]

Now let me get this right

Because this is priceless

A party has been in government for 7 years and looks directionless
They have made unprecedented cuts to services
Champion austerity
They have a leader with no personality
A leader regarded as the party's worst for decades
They have a leader who said 7 times she would not have an election then called one being opportunist
A leader who presided over police cuts and blamed for security shortfall after terrorist incidents during the campaign
The worst election manifesto ever not costed
A manifesto that penalised pensioners the party's core vote
A leader that made a upturn on the manifesto when challenged
A leader who didn't turn up to debates
A leader who has had the worst campaign in memory
A leader who had to deal with the opposition party making promises to pay 30,000 fees to students and to give 10,000 more police officers and other popular giveaways


Now this party won the most votes

So how bad must Corbyn be if he couldn't get as many votes as the shower above?

And yet Some muppets are saying Corbyn is the winner :shock: :shock:

The new definition of Fake News

Scotland 2 England 2

Scotland are the real winners

Gordon Strachan is arranging a meeting with the queen as we speak to seek the 3 points

Yawn! - look at the political fallout if your attention span stretches that far.

[hullsaddler]

I might be in a minority here but I think this thread would have been more entertaining if sound out hadn't been banned.

As 'a bleeding heart liberal' who did feel highly negative about Corbyn I was impressed with him in the campaign & feel that he actually now looks like someone who could lead this country ( I definitely did not believe this before). The way that he coped with the guttersnipe Daily Mail & Sun whose coverage hit new lows in this campaign was admirable. I think a lot will now depend on how he gets on back in the Commons.

There have been some posts on here ( & cast your vote) that have particularly annoyed me when they say stuff like ... if you were old enough to remember the 70s etc ... Labour etc. ... suggesting 'old(er) people' will all think in a certain way about this period. Well I voted on the way to school in 1970 and am now a pensioner. For me the worst period I have lived through were the Thatcher years. I would not however dream about generalising about what all people my age felt about Thatcher etc. I detested her but realise for many others my age she was a heroine.

Still it's all about expectation. I expected a whopping landslide 6 weeks ago, so that's why when the exit poll came out I stopped up till 3.30 ... still when it comes down to it the Tories are continuing in power admittedly propped up by the neanderthal* DUP whose manifesto as someone has said consists of 'the bible & fortnightly bin collections'. Interesting summary about DUP here http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/w ... 3f2c697d36?


*apologies to neanderthals for comparing DUP to you

[Cowshed]

Now let me get this right

Because this is priceless

A party has been in government for 7 years and looks directionless
They have made unprecedented cuts to services
Champion and
They have a leader with no personality
A leader regarded as the party's worst for decades
They have a leader who said 7 times she would not have an election then called one being opportunist
A leader who presided over police cuts and blamed for security shortfall after terrorist incidents during the campaign
The worst election manifesto ever not costed
A manifesto that penalised pensioners the party's core vote
A leader that made a upturn on the manifesto when challenged
A leader who didn't turn up to debates
A leader who has had the worst campaign in memory
A leader who had to deal with the opposition party making promises to pay 30,000 fees to students and to give 10,000 more police officers and other popular giveaways


Now this party won the most votes

So how bad must Corbyn be if he couldn't get as many votes as the shower above?

And yet Some muppets are saying Corbyn is the winner :shock: :shock:

The new definition of Fake News

Scotland 2 England 2

Scotland are the real winners

Gordon Strachan is arranging a meeting with the queen as we speak to seek the 3 points

Yawn! - look at the political fallout if your attention span stretches that far.

I agree there certainly should be fallout after that debacle

By the way did you happen to read the ifs report mr pensions expert :lol:

[moaning saddler]

Now let me get this right

Because this is priceless

A party has been in government for 7 years and looks directionless
They have made unprecedented cuts to services
Champion and
They have a leader with no personality
A leader regarded as the party's worst for decades
They have a leader who said 7 times she would not have an election then called one being opportunist
A leader who presided over police cuts and blamed for security shortfall after terrorist incidents during the campaign
The worst election manifesto ever not costed
A manifesto that penalised pensioners the party's core vote
A leader that made a upturn on the manifesto when challenged
A leader who didn't turn up to debates
A leader who has had the worst campaign in memory
A leader who had to deal with the opposition party making promises to pay 30,000 fees to students and to give 10,000 more police officers and other popular giveaways


Now this party won the most votes

So how bad must Corbyn be if he couldn't get as many votes as the shower above?

And yet Some muppets are saying Corbyn is the winner :shock: :shock:

The new definition of Fake News

Scotland 2 England 2

Scotland are the real winners

Gordon Strachan is arranging a meeting with the queen as we speak to seek the 3 points

Yawn! - look at the political fallout if your attention span stretches that far.

I agree there certainly should be fallout after that debacle

By the way did you happen to read the ifs report mr pensions expert :lol:

I've read loads of IFS reports - the last one that sticks in my mind is the one warning of the economic dangers of leaving the EU - leading to Leave campaigners trying to smear the IFS as a propagandist outfit.
From your evident obsession with controlling borders throughout this thread, I wouldn't have put you down as a Remainer - fair play to you for seeing beyond the smear tactics.

[Cully]

Well, I'm less of am imbecile than people originally thought Jeremy Corbyn has now moved into deranged mode by declaring that he has a mandate to rule the country, "I can still be Prime Minister" because less people voted for me than the Conservatives. The Daily Mirror reports*

*This has been verified by some students and a survey of 1000 Mums Net posters.

Dianne Abbott is busy preparing her Afro for Government and has now recovered from her temporary sickness although the jury are currently still out on that.

I once read that some one tried to draw a parallel or something like that of the foreign ownership of companies in Britain with Nationalisation - I almost choked on my Kelloggs Cornflakes.

Delighted to have Amanda Milling as my MP again with an increased majority, this is probably due to the fact that majority of voters voted for her which on balance seems pretty fair.

I'm on holiday.

[SaigonSaddler]

Well, I'm less of am imbecile than people originally thought Jeremy Corbyn has now moved into deranged mode by declaring that he has a mandate to rule the country, "I can still be Prime Minister" because less people voted for me than the Conservatives. The Daily Mirror reports*

*This has been verified by some students and a survey of 1000 Mums Net posters.

Dianne Abbott is busy preparing her Afro for Government and has now recovered from her temporary sickness although the jury are currently still out on that.

I once read that some one tried to draw a parallel or something like that of the foreign ownership of companies in Britain with Nationalisation - I almost choked on my Kelloggs Cornflakes.

Delighted to have Amanda Milling as my MP again with an increased majority, this is probably due to the fact that majority of voters voted for her which on balance seems pretty fair.

I'm on holiday.

I'm on holiday too, so I'm generally just laughing / embarrassed by the political horse-trading and the desperation of clinging onto power.

Now the DUP deal seems up in the air again.

FARCE

I read that Labour was going to be atomised, but despite the infantile smears and negativity - seems not. And now the tories seem dangerously close to abject meltdown. This has to be one of the most appalling own-goals in the history of British politics.