SaigonSaddler wrote:dialogue with whom exactly - a moveable feast. The leaders of muslim countries, the leaders of some of the more amenable 'groups', in Britain, muslims of all groups
there is no identified enemy - so why bomb people and create more angry, anonymous miscreants?
what country - all countries, some leaders are problematic - Syria with Assad, so you engage with the opposition
who is the leader - there is no 'leader' in islam, there are people who can exert influence on those vulnerable to exploitation
how do you get round to all the lone losers - you can't, you just have to do the best you can
what exactly is their gripe - poor education, poor prospects, poor choices, a dogmatic religion and a target (us) that keeps interfering militarily, Israel stealing land and mistreating the Palestinians
what is their aim and how do we negotiate do we agree to change our culture way of life - we shouldn't change our way of life, just stop kicking ant nests
my son was born in 1999 and one of his earliest memories is 9/11 he has known no other way of life than under terrorist threat and he never expects any part of his life to be without it. there is no solution - there is always eventually a solution and it always comes through dialogue, the alternative is to liquidate entire groups of people, not ok.
so if you accept it as part of life the best you can hope for is to try to be kept protected - it is part of life at the moment, but you have to be proactive in dealing with it, this doesn't include vilifying an entire religion
who do you think will provide better protection - anyone who doesn't get involved in foreign wars without a clear aim and that doesn't benefit the UK, precisely as related in the Labour manifesto
got example will uncontrolled immigration help or hinder - I don't think anyone favours this
so it is reasonable to be clear about your intentions on immigration Theresa may has been very clear - she's failed in every single immigration target she's set out. FAIL
why wont corbyn be clear on immigration it is simple enough to answer - has anyone ever been clear on this allegedly simple issue. Bear in mind that many terrorists are born in the target country.
oooookaayyyy so thank you for highlighting just what a joke corbyn is suggesting
so we have to talk to all countries - to unknowns because there are no leaders -about what grieves them which seems to be just about everything.
correct me if im wrong but I don't think I have mentioned religion anywhere and I certainly haven't condoned bombing anyone . We should leave that to Blair and his Labour war mongers .
The point I was making was not that the tories can deal with terrorism better than labour but that there actually is no real lasting solution as there are too many variables.
lets just be honest May or Corbyn cant solve this . neither can the global community who could probably run rings around our politicians
this is now part of our lives I mentioned my son previously he was part of the Arthur Terry school Group caught up in Istanbul airport for the longest weekend of my life last year and he was in the middle of gunfire and total crap initially thought to be terrorism until we discovered it was merely a military coup centered on that airport. These kids continued with their trip to provide aid to South Africa the notion of terror doesn't faze them they have only known this way of life this generation don't expect it to change. But they expect to be as safe as we can possibly make it for them.
so if we cant realistically be proactive how do we become reactive
we can control our borders - not the only measure but an important one
This fear is prevalent amongst the labour strongholds in the north who are turning their backs on labour because corbyn is ignoring their concerns
corbyn ignores people who want to know about his targets on immigration
he would not give answers in a recent interview when asked 6 times how many
so if no one gives you a number you have to assume it can be anything from zero to unlimited
I am glad you have stated that no one wants uncontrolled immigration therefore by logic no one should vote for corbyn because he has not stated that he will control immigration
we have millions of migrants ready to enter Europe from Africa so how many will corbyn accommodate how many
why would he limit these as they are potential future corbyn and abbott voters so he will not tell you how many what other reason would he want to keep it quiet
Merkels million will look like a coach party compared
why doesn't he just help his fellow mps and the last few labour supporters out by stating how many
the tories may not have hit the target but at least they have a commitment they have been strong on brexit and freedom of movement they have been clear about refugees from Syria tell me why corbyn keeps quiet about this why does he refuse to be interviewed. we know freedom of movement will be the same as it is now under a chaotic corbyn brexit this is not what the majority voted for. ask him to deny it
if you vote corbyn you are signing a blank cheque on immigration
