2017 General Election Thread

[swampysaddler]

Approaching the summit of Mount Hypocrisy Ken? How's the view?

She finished her involvement with the Provisional IRA in 1972 ... how far back do you want to go?

The term "Clutching at straws" springs to mind.

[derbysaddler]

Approaching the summit of Mount Hypocrisy Ken? How's the view?

She finished her involvement with the Provisional IRA in 1972 ... how far back do you want to go?

You could same the same the other way round couldn't you? Unless of course you favour selective memory here. She's okay, she's reformed etc. Corbyn though? nope that should never be dropped.

Interestingly we all had to get on with the fact that Martin McGuinness went from paramilitary commander to politician despite the past. Why is it so specifically different in Corbyn's case?

[Walsallone]

I have never claimed to speak for everyone. I was just pointing out that by the result of the referendum and what has happened since the MAJORITY of people want BREXIT and a government that will deliver it on the best possible terms. As for the expats I stick to my point that by living 13,000 miles away they cannot get a true feel of how people here think about issues. I would not think of commenting on sheep policy in NZ for example!!! or how that country delivers its public services!! Lets face it the BBC news is hardly reflective of the views of the people. It is ardently pro the EU and the liberal elite .

[Cheesebag]

I have never claimed to speak for everyone. I was just pointing out that by the result of the referendum and what has happened since the MAJORITY of people want BREXIT and a government that will deliver it on the best possible terms. As for the expats I stick to my point that by living 13,000 miles away they cannot get a true feel of how people here think about issues. I would not think of commenting on sheep policy in NZ for example!!! or how that country delivers its public services!! Lets face it the BBC news is hardly reflective of the views of the people. It is ardently pro the EU and the liberal elite .

It's true... One of themost angry tory haters on the board has his pulse on the British public..... from New Zealand. :D

[Walsallone]

As for CORBYN he has not recanted his view that the IRA were the good guys. Tell that to the relatives of the BIRMINGHAM pub bombings and see what answer you get? I am amazed that the Leader of a major political party in this country is seeking election whilst not disavowing his support over many years for the IRA.

[swampysaddler]

Approaching the summit of Mount Hypocrisy Ken? How's the view?

She finished her involvement with the Provisional IRA in 1972 ... how far back do you want to go?

You could same the same the other way round couldn't you? Unless of course you favour selective memory here. She's okay, she's reformed etc. Corbyn though? nope that should never be dropped.

Interestingly we all had to get on with the fact that Martin McGuinness went from paramilitary commander to politician despite the past. Why is it so specifically different in Corbyn's case?

I think maybe it might have something to do with Corbyn NOT condemning the IRA when asked numerous times.
I had to suffer Northern Ireland (don't get me wrong lovely Country what I saw) 8 times thanks to his mates McGuiness and Adams.
Corbyn is a threat to this Country full stop.
In an interview yesterday after Manchester all he kept preaching was "resources" for the Police.
No condemnation of the scum that done this horrible act.

[yoda]

. As for the expats I stick to my point that by living 13,000 miles away they cannot get a true feel of how people here think about issues..

So how do you have a feel for what 'people here' (ie the country) 'feels'?
Remember we're talking about how the country 'feels', not how your family and friends 'feel' (for that's a skewed qualitative measure that's subject to all sorts of problems such as geography, confirmation bias, etc).

Do you survey everyone you meet? Do you have long conversations with the girl at Greggs that hands you your pie? Do you take trips to different counties every weekend to conduct interviews with the population in small villages there? I suspect not, but rather you rely on news from a variety of sources that are available outside of this country.

The reason you don't comment on the sheep policy in NZ is you're not read up on it. If you could comment intelligently on it, then we'd take your opinion just as seriously as Exiles.

[derbysaddler]

I think maybe it might have something to do with Corbyn NOT condemning the IRA when asked numerous times.
I had to suffer Northern Ireland (don't get me wrong lovely Country what I saw) 8 times thanks to his mates McGuiness and Adams.
Corbyn is a threat to this Country full stop.
In an interview yesterday after Manchester all he kept preaching was "resources" for the Police.
No condemnation of the scum that done this horrible act.

What's more important though?

More resources for security services may help catch more of these bellends before these horrible events happen. That's a tangible and measured action in trying to prevent. Just saying ' I condemn these barbaric murderers' is a great soundbite, but that's all it is. It does nothing practical in the fight against this cack.

[scott_powell]

I think it's common sense to assume that Corbyn condemns the actions of the scumbag in Manchester. People jump on anything to have a pop, it's ridiculous.

DISCLAIMER - I am neither pro or anti Corbyn

[SaigonSaddler]

:D :arrow:

There's some right gems here, most of which already tackled to some extent ...

No not subjective at all...it is based on my many contacts ...

Got to be a joke, this is the epitome of subjectivity. :idea:

The majority of people want out of the EU and want a government to get on with it ... I have never claimed to speak for everyone. I was just pointing out that by the result of the referendum and what has happened since the MAJORITY of people want BREXIT and a government that will deliver it on the best possible terms.

I think any individual would be able to come up with their own subjective version of reality on this score. It's well known that there was a surge of people who regretted voting leave almost as soon as realisation kicked in, a large proportion of whom would now vote to remain, tipping the balance the other way. But you claim to 'speak for the majority'. Really? You actually believe that?

The term "Clutching at straws" springs to mind.

Yes, it does, just not in the way you mean. Corbyn has consistently condemned any form of terrorism, yet from what I read on here and on the usual dimwit national media rags he was responsible for pulling triggers. Utter bobbins. The tories dealt with the IRA by the way, they just did it behind closed doors.

Margaret Thatcher gave her personal approval to secret talks between government officials and the IRA leadership in 1990, setting in a train a dialogue which led to the Northern Ireland peace process which she now regularly denounces <quote from the first hit on Google>

Corbyn is a threat to this Country full stop.
In an interview yesterday after Manchester all he kept preaching was "resources" for the Police.
No condemnation of the scum that done this horrible act.

What an absurd version of reality. He condemned it unconditionally.

:idea:

[SaigonSaddler]

Boo-Hoo, someone from one country is commenting on political and social affairs of another! This is intolerable!

As someone has already said, YES anyone could comment effectively on NZ sheep policy. All they would have to do is read up on it.

Anyone can comment on anything - North Korea, nuclear deterrence, US presidential elections - as everyone has, with conviction.
Geographical proximity has become increasingly irrelevant as access to information has become easier and more widespread. The argument devolves until the person residing closest to the Palace of Westminster has the ultimate say.

The ability to read is the basic requirement, but the ability to discern reality from confected alternative fact is also necessary.
There's plenty of people who can't see beyond the end of their own nose.

[swampysaddler]

:D :arrow:

There's some right gems here, most of which already tackled to some extent ...

No not subjective at all...it is based on my many contacts ...

Got to be a joke, this is the epitome of subjectivity. :idea:

The majority of people want out of the EU and want a government to get on with it ... I have never claimed to speak for everyone. I was just pointing out that by the result of the referendum and what has happened since the MAJORITY of people want BREXIT and a government that will deliver it on the best possible terms.

I think any individual would be able to come up with their own subjective version of reality on this score. It's well known that there was a surge of people who regretted voting leave almost as soon as realisation kicked in, a large proportion of whom would now vote to remain, tipping the balance the other way. But you claim to 'speak for the majority'. Really? You actually believe that?

The term "Clutching at straws" springs to mind.

Yes, it does, just not in the way you mean. Corbyn has consistently condemned any form of terrorism, yet from what I read on here and on the usual dimwit national media rags he was responsible for pulling triggers. Utter bobbins. The tories dealt with the IRA by the way, they just did it behind closed doors.

Margaret Thatcher gave her personal approval to secret talks between government officials and the IRA leadership in 1990, setting in a train a dialogue which led to the Northern Ireland peace process which she now regularly denounces <quote from the first hit on Google>

Corbyn is a threat to this Country full stop.
In an interview yesterday after Manchester all he kept preaching was "resources" for the Police.
No condemnation of the scum that done this horrible act.

What an absurd version of reality. He condemned it unconditionally.

:idea:

So why does he or John McDonnell never condemn the IRA in any interview they do ?
No they would rather refer to the IRA as "Freedom fighters".
Corbyn is a danger for one reason him not backing of Trident.

[SaigonSaddler]

Corbyn is a danger for one reason him not backing of Trident.

More dimwit media mistruths? Pretty unambiguous.

Labour supports the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent.

http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/mani ... al-britain

[Exile]

As for CORBYN he has not recanted his view that the IRA were the good guys. Tell that to the relatives of the BIRMINGHAM pub bombings and see what answer you get? I am amazed that the Leader of a major political party in this country is seeking election whilst not disavowing his support over many years for the IRA.

Square the circle...

https://www.facebook.com/18518065485518 ... 733622734/

That's Corbyn condemning the violence on both sides in the Troubles. The only difference between him talking to the IRA and Thatcher talking to the IRA was that he did it openly, while she did it through the back door, whilst lying in public about not negotiating with terrorists. When everyone finally caught up there was the negotiated cease fire and power sharing Good Friday Agreement.. Talking to people clearly works better than shooting them, and the result is no member of the armed services has to do an active tour of duty patrolling the streets in Northern Ireland these days.

[swampysaddler]

Corbyn is a danger for one reason him not backing of Trident.

More dimwit media mistruths? Pretty unambiguous.

Labour supports the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent.

http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/mani ... al-britain

When you have served your Country and had to go to shiteholes like Newry, Omagh (just after the bomb had gone off that was planted by Corbyn's cronies), Drummad, Eniskillen then I will take your opinion seriously until then keep living in your little hide hole and believing a terrorist loving parasite is best for the country.
What is your view on "Soldiers on the street" ?

[SaigonSaddler]

Corbyn is a danger for one reason him not backing of Trident.

More dimwit media mistruths? Pretty unambiguous.

Labour supports the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent.

http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/mani ... al-britain

When you have served your Country and had to go to shiteholes like Newry, Omagh (just after the bomb had gone off that was planted by Corbyn's cronies), Drummad, Eniskillen then I will take your opinion seriously until then keep living in your little hide hole and believing a terrorist loving parasite is best for the country.
What is your view on "Soldiers on the street" ?

Here we go. Are you going to go on about your medals again and how this makes your opinion somehow much more valuable than anyone else's?
It doesn't work like that. You elected to serve in the armed forces, and you got paid for it. Nobody owes you anything, and you don't get to speak down at people because that wasn't what they did with their lives.

And I detect your irrepressible need to get personal again. Play the issue and not the person. In light of which, I assume Corbyn is now a "danger to the country" due to him being a vegetarian and wearing a funny jacket (or something) because your massive point about trident turned out to be bollocks.

[swampysaddler]

Corbyn is a danger for one reason him not backing of Trident.

More dimwit media mistruths? Pretty unambiguous.

Labour supports the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent.

http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/mani ... al-britain

When you have served your Country and had to go to shiteholes like Newry, Omagh (just after the bomb had gone off that was planted by Corbyn's cronies), Drummad, Eniskillen then I will take your opinion seriously until then keep living in your little hide hole and believing a terrorist loving parasite is best for the country.
What is your view on "Soldiers on the street" ?

Here we go. Are you going to go on about your medals again and how this makes your opinion somehow much more valuable than anyone else's?
It doesn't work like that. You elected to serve in the armed forces, and you got paid for it. Nobody owes you anything, and you don't get to speak down at people because that wasn't what they did with their lives.

And I detect your irrepressible need to get personal again. Play the issue and not the person. In light of which, I assume Corbyn is now a "danger to the country" due to him being a vegetarian and wearing a funny jacket (or something) because your massive point about trident turned out to be bollocks.

When you have been there and done it then I would listen to your opinion until then carry on with your lady-boys in the far east.
Yes I have medals for serving the country, do you ? Yes I elected to join the Armed Forces and do not regret a day.

[saddlerken]

. The only difference between him talking to the IRA and Thatcher talking to the IRA was that he did it openly, while she did it through the back door, whilst lying in public about not negotiating with terrorists.

See if you can find a picture of Corbyn with Thatcher doing the same. No chance. He sides with minoritys, always has done and is of course anti establishment. He is 100% an IRA sympathiser. Can you imagine what this tramp says in private.

This bloke is dangerous, no doubt about it.

Here's another one of the great mates.

[saddlerken]

Sympathiser

[Cully]

I once read a book on New Zealand and now consider myself an expert based on recently published criteria in the esteemed arena known as UTS. I even looked up where it was and discovered it was further away than a railway journey from Ffestiniog to Poland and back, cripes! Apparently some of the the natives actually ate people and some had funny tattoos just like some people in Walsall, what a coincidence! Here's a picture so that travellers are not frightened when they step off the tramp steamer.


Well done everyone for pointing out that you can read a book about any country and immediately become at one with those inhabitants of strange countries, no need to live there when you can accurately judge opinion and obtain a balanced view from googling a couple of articles that may be of interest,

However, I have to point out to Exile that people don't work down the pit anymore, we have electric light bulbs and Alan Buckley is no longer manager of Walsall. Good luck with the natives by the way and I look forward to receiving my free Unicorn as promised by the omnipotent Corbyn.

[SaigonSaddler]

Corbyn is a danger for one reason him not backing of Trident.

More dimwit media mistruths? Pretty unambiguous.

Labour supports the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent.

http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/mani ... al-britain

When you have served your Country and had to go to shiteholes like Newry, Omagh (just after the bomb had gone off that was planted by Corbyn's cronies), Drummad, Eniskillen then I will take your opinion seriously until then keep living in your little hide hole and believing a terrorist loving parasite is best for the country.
What is your view on "Soldiers on the street" ?

Here we go. Are you going to go on about your medals again and how this makes your opinion somehow much more valuable than anyone else's?
It doesn't work like that. You elected to serve in the armed forces, and you got paid for it. Nobody owes you anything, and you don't get to speak down at people because that wasn't what they did with their lives.

And I detect your irrepressible need to get personal again. Play the issue and not the person. In light of which, I assume Corbyn is now a "danger to the country" due to him being a vegetarian and wearing a funny jacket (or something) because your massive point about trident turned out to be bollocks.

When you have been there and done it then I would listen to your opinion until then carry on with your lady-boys in the far east.
Yes I have medals for serving the country, do you ? Yes I elected to join the Armed Forces and do not regret a day.

YAWN

What regiment were you with? I wonder if they would share your massively self-indulgent and arrogant attitude, demanding adulation for doing a job while disregarding the opinions of mere civvy types.

Your opinion is worth precisely the same as anyone else's, which is what you were defending. Think about it, if you take your mind off ladyboys.

[SaigonSaddler]

I once read a book on New Zealand and now consider myself an expert based on recently published criteria in the esteemed arena known as UTS. I even looked up where it was and discovered it was further away than a railway journey from Ffestiniog to Poland and back, cripes! Apparently some of the the natives actually ate people and some had funny tattoos just like some people in Walsall, what a coincidence! Here's a picture so that travellers are not frightened when they step off the tramp steamer.


Well done everyone for pointing out that you can read a book about any country and immediately become at one with those inhabitants of strange countries, no need to live there when you can accurately judge opinion and obtain a balanced view from googling a couple of articles that may be of interest,

However, I have to point out to Exile that people don't work down the pit anymore, we have electric light bulbs and Alan Buckley is no longer manager of Walsall. Good luck with the natives by the way and I look forward to receiving my free Unicorn as promised by the omnipotent Corbyn.

I once visited NZ and met a kangaroo and a llama thus have far more credence to speak about it than you and your dumb book. I also have a medal in a tin, so your opinion is worth precisely a 67th fraction of mine. 8)

I was also once within 300 yards of the NZ parliament, at which time I became the 14th most qualified person to speak about sheep farming in the Tasman Straits, until I moved a bit further away, then the ministry of agriculture took over again. Heady days. :D

[SaigonSaddler]

. The only difference between him talking to the IRA and Thatcher talking to the IRA was that he did it openly, while she did it through the back door, whilst lying in public about not negotiating with terrorists.

See if you can find a picture of Corbyn with Thatcher doing the same. No chance. He sides with minoritys, always has done and is of course anti establishment. He is 100% an IRA sympathiser. Can you imagine what this tramp says in private.

This bloke is dangerous, no doubt about it.

Thatcher? LOL

Didn't really think that through did you ...



With Pinochet



With Botha



Whoose dat? :shock:

You can cut the hypocrisy with a plank. Don't think it was Corbyn who dismantled British industry and sold off it's national services while pissing the North Sea oil up the wall. That's lasting harm, however much Murdoch dresses it up.
Didn't he lead the opposition to the recent wars too? Wars which have directly resulted in the insecurity we have today. You probably forgot that bit.

But "dANgeR0uS". :|

[scott_powell]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Exile]

Look at the dangerous subversive type. Talks to plants, more organic than a Waitrose salad, avoids tax, ex died mysteriously.

With Gerry Adams.

[swampysaddler]

I wasn't with a Regiment, I was RAF (Tactical Supply Wing) and all my job in Northern Ireland was re-fuelling the Helicopters (which was lovely on a Saturday night with one Comrade Corbyns mates taking pot shots at our 90000 gallons tanks of aircraft fuel in South Armagh).

[swampysaddler]

Look at the dangerous subversive type. Talks to plants, more organic than a Waitrose salad, avoids tax, ex died mysteriously.

With Gerry Adams.

A meeting Prince Charles didn't want to take place but done it because of Royal protocol.
Keeps grasping them straws.

[saddlerken]

Stuff

I meant Corbyn talking to Thatcher during The Troubles (the other side). Not Thatcher doing what the job of Prime Minister.

You must stop reading the Sun by the way. Tony Blair's war in Iraq hasn't helped much has it?

[Cully]

If anyone had any doubt about the unsuitability of Jeremy Corbyn to fill any position of power or influence then look no further than his recent comments coming so soon after the Manchester bombing, such crass and opportunist comments do no good and give credence to the savages who carry out such acts. His comments using the attack on innocent people in Manchester to criticise foreign policy decisions that may or not have been made, when we are currently dealing with the aftermath of this latest atrocity show that he is incapable of making any judgement and further it highlights his attitude towards terrorists be they home grown or nation sponsored.
A quick glance a the other thread only confirms how little people understand when appointing leaders of democracies instead preferring to vote on tribal lines.

[chunkster]

Some lefty idiot has just been suspended for accusing our "right wing" covernment for causing the Manchester bombing just so that they can secure power for another 5 years :| but don't worry they have the strong line and suspended him :|