2017 General Election Thread

[PT]

To my earlier analogy, it looks like Labour may have pulled a goal back following a bit of complacency from the Tories.

Not quite "game on" but it looks like an absolute anhilation is off the cards.

[Cully]

To my earlier analogy, it looks like Labour may have pulled a goal back following a bit of complacency from the Tories.

Not quite "game on" but it looks like an absolute anhilation is off the cards.

Once the tribe gets it's members to act together then it might only suffer a miserable defeat, When you've got a manager like Corbyn the best you can hope for is a Dale Banton to come good, once every 32 elections. Oh well, when you're relying on hope there's no chance.

[yoda]

I just found a thread where Pedagogue predicted this election, and its reasons, back in February!

He also predicted a Labour trouncing and a Corbyn resignation afterwards!

[Pedagogue]

Thank you Yoda. I did indeed (and others disagreed with me) but I don't like to boast! :D

I hope that I am wrong about the Tory victory and that we are not lumbered with Theresa "Weak & Wobbly" May for 5 more years.

[Welsh_Saddler]

Thank you Yoda. I did indeed (and others disagreed with me) but I don't like to boast! :D

I hope that I am wrong about the Tory victory and that we are not lumbered with Theresa "Weak & Wobbly" May for 5 more years.

... and the credible alternative is......? :wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

Thank you Yoda. I did indeed (and others disagreed with me) but I don't like to boast! :D

I hope that I am wrong about the Tory victory and that we are not lumbered with Theresa "Weak & Wobbly" May for 5 more years.

... and the credible alternative is......? :wink:

I'd vote for you Welsh. :wink:

[Super Gabor]

If I was an employee and I felt they had a chance of winning I would vote Green: 4 day working week!

They've out-done Labour on the crazy un-fundable policy count but I quite like the cut of the jib of their Co_leader, Mr Bartley. Quite a cool interview on the One Show last Friday. Shame he's in party that will never been in power.

[SoccerHQ]

To my earlier analogy, it looks like Labour may have pulled a goal back following a bit of complacency from the Tories.

Not quite "game on" but it looks like an absolute anhilation is off the cards.

May was awful in that Andrew Neil interview tonight, just blabbering on about it's her or Corbyn to pretty much every question asked even if it was nothing to do with Brexit. She is going to be awful in the brexit negotiations I reckon.

So to continue the analogy looks like this week is the hour mark when Whitney makes his double substitution for team Tory. :wink:

[Super Gabor]

To my earlier analogy, it looks like Labour may have pulled a goal back following a bit of complacency from the Tories.

Not quite "game on" but it looks like an absolute anhilation is off the cards.

May was awful in that Andrew Neil interview tonight, just blabbering on about it's her or Corbyn to pretty much every question asked even if it was nothing to do with Brexit. She is going to be awful in the brexit negotiations I reckon.

So to continue the analogy looks like this week is the hour mark when Whitney makes his double substitution for team Tory. :wink:

Fair to say it's been a very bad day at the office for Team May and that interview did her no favours. Cameron was the best front man they had, whether you liked him or not, and he'd have eased through that interview.

Just think, it could've been Leadsom!

[SoccerHQ]

Paxman's going to have a nibble at her next week I see, great stuff. :mrgreen:

[Pedagogue]

May was awful in that Andrew Neil interview tonight, just blabbering on about it's her or Corbyn to pretty much every question asked, even if it was nothing to do with Brexit. She is going to be awful in the Brexit negotiations I reckon.

It won't be May or Corbyn who conducts the negotiations though, will it?

There is a choice:- if Labour win, the chief negotiator will be Kier Starmer, an experienced and highly qualified lawyer and former Director of Public Prosecutions or, if the Tories win, Boris Johnson. Need I say more? :mrgreen:

[Walsallone]

The trouble is PED a lawyer needs a brief. Labour cannot give him one because they don't have a policy on BREXIT which makes any sense. His TV performances have been totally under whelming whilst the Tories have David Davis a lad brought up on a council estate by a single mum who comes over very well with the public. Boris will not be leading the negotiations ....his role will be that of representing our country across the world as we find our new global role

[Exile]

The trouble is PED a lawyer needs a brief. Labour cannot give him one because they don't have a policy on BREXIT which makes any sense.

You've clearly not read up on the topic if you think Labour has no policy on Brexit. Contrast this with the sabre-rattling of the hapless tories, who've triggered Article 50 without having a clue, then twiddling their thumbs, and kicking the can down the road by calling a snap election just a month after confirming they'd do no such thing. May's wishy-washy flip-flopping isn't inspiring stuff.

Don't forget too that the terms of the 'divorce' will be dictated by Europe - any 'negotiation' will be damage limitation at best. That's what everyone who voted to leave voted for, and no amount of crying 'nasty Europe' will change that. Labour has accepted the democratic vote to leave, contrived as it was, and has the attitude that inevitably freedom of movement, one of the key planks of EU membership, has to be curtailed, which means knock on effects in other areas, which they'll try to minimise by bargaining. The tories on the other hand appear to have the attitude that they have a list of demands, and if they aren't met, then the UK will flounce off into the sunset with no agreement whatsoever, and the consequences of that will be absolutely catastrophic for the average Briton.

[Walsallone]

CONTRIVED????? I know you live on the other side of the world but the referendum was fair and provided a clear result which TM and the government will implement. No one has any confidence that Labour will do the same. Their immigration policy is not clear and they continually change their mind over the so called single market. If BREXIT is to be achieved as the majority want then only the Conservative party will deliver that.
As for your comment on the negotiations you are wrong. It is in the interests of both parties to secure a good and sensible deal. I think, after reading some of your other posts I would stick to to NZ politics since you know very little of how people feel here.

[SaigonSaddler]

CONTRIVED????? I know you live on the other side of the world but the referendum was fair and provided a clear result which TM and the government will implement. No one has any confidence that Labour will do the same. Their immigration policy is not clear and they continually change their mind over the so called single market. If BREXIT is to be achieved as the majority want then only the Conservative party will deliver that.
As for your comment on the negotiations you are wrong. It is in the interests of both parties to secure a good and sensible deal. I think, after reading some of your other posts I would stick to to NZ politics since you know very little of how people feel here.

I think you're falling into the trap of magnifying your own subjective thought processes and asserting that everyone else feels the same. This isn't so much arguing a position as repeatedly stating that you are right because *cough* you think so. Not very persuasive and it adds precisely nothing of worth.

As for the recurrent and ridiculous claim that just because you don't reside in a particular place precludes your right to have a view ... I would point you in the direction of the very same media that is freely available, globally, from which to garner information. This is 2017, not 1717. I'm in Walsall, by the way, just in case you were tempted to provide some kind of similar stimulus - response accusation in that respect.

[Cowshed]

CONTRIVED????? I know you live on the other side of the world but the referendum was fair and provided a clear result which TM and the government will implement. No one has any confidence that Labour will do the same. Their immigration policy is not clear and they continually change their mind over the so called single market. If BREXIT is to be achieved as the majority want then only the Conservative party will deliver that.
As for your comment on the negotiations you are wrong. It is in the interests of both parties to secure a good and sensible deal. I think, after reading some of your other posts I would stick to to NZ politics since you know very little of how people feel here.

Too right the policy on immigration and brexit is not clear

Why won't Corbyn give answers about immigration,

Why won't Corbin give answers about brexit movement of people

Why when North Korea are firing missiles won't Corbin commit to a nuclear deterrent

Why in a week when the terrorist threat has been escalated to critical will COrbyn still not condemn a terrorist organisation

The security of our country is the first and most important priority

As for the opinion of expats I think they should be allowed to voice them but you are entitled to apply your own weighting to them

[saddlerken]

[saddlerken]

[SaigonSaddler]

As for the opinion of expats I think they should be allowed to voice them

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Why, how progressive of you to allow other posters to voice opinions. I'm sure everyone will be thrilled that you have allowed debate to continue ...

but you are entitled to apply your own weighting to them

as others will allow appropriate weighting to yours, considering the relative accuracy of your submissions.
:wink:

[SaigonSaddler]

Approaching the summit of Mount Hypocrisy Ken? How's the view?

[Walsallone]

I don't have a problem with expats commenting ....they are obviously free to do so and I welcome debate with anyone but if EXILE was here he would know how people feel. It isn't just me...a recent poll showed that 68% of folk want us to get on with BREXIT and only the Conservatives will do that. You see SADDLERKEN and COWSHED are much more in tune with public opinion than you and EXILE.
As for your last post who the hell is Maria Gatland? Fake news has no place on here or anywhere else!

[Cowshed]

Approaching the summit of Mount Hypocrisy Ken? How's the view?

And Maria gatland is standing for election to be the prime minister of where exactly?

[Cheesebag]

Approaching the summit of Mount Hypocrisy Ken? How's the view?

Prime minister? Nope

[yoda]

but if EXILE was here he would know how people feel.

Completely subjective and largely irrelevant to this conversation.

[yoda]

As an aside, I consider myself neutral really (don't vote and never will) but Conservatives seem to be taking a proper shelling.

They, and their supporters, seem to be employing the Donald Trump strategy (spending all day screaming "Well we're better than the opposition! They're rubbish!") so if anyone would like to tell me why they're voting tories without mentioning labour, I'm interested in reading it.

[Walsallone]

No not subjective at all...it is based on my many contacts and the polls which continuously come out. The majority of people want out of the EU and want a government to get on with it.

[yoda]

No not subjective at all...it is based on my many contacts and the polls which continuously come out. The majority of people want out of the EU and want a government to get on with it.

You're either basing the statement on talking to people, which is subjective, or the aforementioned polls, which Exile has access to, making his location irrelevant.

I'm not talking about the political content of your post, just the claim that Exile has to live in UK to understand how people 'feel'.

[derbysaddler]

No not subjective at all...it is based on my many contacts and the polls which continuously come out. The majority of people want out of the EU and want a government to get on with it.

Strangely, I live here, and many contacts feel differently from your contacts view of Brexit. They want it to be handled correctly and not in a way that will disadvantage many people here.

I dont assume to speak for everyone in the UK, neither should you.

[Cowshed]

Approaching the summit of Mount Hypocrisy Ken? How's the view?

Prime minister? Nope

What's really interesting about the posting though is that Corbyn hasn't been condemned for his stance

If Gatland did make those comments she should be jailed. Thankfully she is not running for pm but Corbin is

Corbyn has put labour voters in an awful position. They don't want to vote Tory but they are left with having to vote for someone who still refuses to condemn a terrorist organisation when we now have soldiers in the streets as we walk to the polling stations

If they vote elsewhere they still get Corbin in some chaotic coalition govt and how will brexit play out then

[Welsh_Saddler]

Approaching the summit of Mount Hypocrisy Ken? How's the view?

She finished her involvement with the Provisional IRA in 1972 ... how far back do you want to go?