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Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:26 pm

only playing 1 striker from the start against lower league opposition is ridiculous if ever the time came to be brave and go 442 and go for it from the get go.

embarrassed.

Hope it was just one of them days.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:47 pm

Just realised that we were the 4th highest ranked team in the comp at this round...Hope Macclesfield celebrated like that was the case? Fair play, sounds like we didn't deserve anything.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:51 pm

Well, that result's embarrassing...

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:54 pm

Highlights here. VPN needed for overseas viewers.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37807481#tab-0

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:27 pm

Why does Whitney play Jackson as a lone striker? It was obvious before the start of the season that he is not suited for the role because he cannot win the ball in the air and cannot hold the ball up. Time and again we have seen Jackson work hard, chase lost causes, pick up scraps but generally show in every game that he is not and never will be suited to the lone striker role. Are we really going to go the whole season with this glaring problem in our team set-up?

There is only one player in the squad who is a contender to play as a lone striker - Bakayoko, yet when Whitney brought him on he was played on the wing? Why?

We have one specialist winger in the first team squad - Josh Ginnelly. He showed today that he should have been given a lot more time on the pitch this season. He was my choice for Walsall player of the match - in fact he was the only possible contender - but why did he spend most of his time on left midfield, rather than on the right wing where, as a right-footer who has pace and skill and can cross with his right foot, he would be much more dangerous?

Oztumer was dreadful. He was hardly in the game and rarely found a Walsall player with a forward pass. The difference in class between him and Sawyers is huge - although I am glad he is here because his goals could save us from relegation.

Edwards made one good run, but apart from that was as usual a nonentity. He is not in the game enough, does not win the ball in tackles, does not make himself available, and is generally a waste of time.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:19 pm

philthesaddler wrote:Very poor performance.

Whitney can't take all the blame, but he deserves a fairly large slice.

Firstly, Moussa, had a poor game, doesn't look fit, and Whitneys tactics don't help, more on that later.

Edwards for me - game passes him by - we had essentially 3 central midfielders today and the gaps in the middle of the park at times were enormous.

Preston has gone backwards, but I'm not surprised at that - look at the way he rest of our defence is performing.

Laird and McCarthy don't overlap, they stay very narrow, the whole team stay very narrow, both defending and attacking.

Jackson had a poor game by his standards, and I thought Makris actually showed some nice touches when he came on.

I can't complain too much about Ginelly and Moussa, I just think the way we play is so narrow that They never get to stretch their legs - they're always coming in field and without an overlap, the opposition fullback and midfield just double up on them.

Whitney just hasn't got what it takes - I said when we hired him it would be Mersonesque - occasional decent performances, nonsensical comments and terrible against non league opposition. We can't attack, we don't track our men, we don't stop crosses, we can't defend crosses, and now it seems Etheridge is going loopy
spot on with your analogy about merson phil. but i got lambasted earlier for stating that on another thread :roll:

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Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:55 pm

Exile wrote:Well, that result's embarrassing...


Certainly is and very disappointing considering what the team have shown in league one in last 6 weeks.

That's one of the benefits of promotion to the championship....you don't have to play the first two rounds infront of two men and his dog.

Still why bother if a run to the 4th round and premier league teams galore ends in a trip to Reading. :lol:

Walsall and the FA cup just doesn't go together. Watch Maccesfield get drawn away to Man. City in round 3 now.

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Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:01 am

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Walsallone wrote:Well about half of our "fans" didn't turn up today and neither did about half our team.We had nothing to beat and didn't beat them! Ginnelly tried hard in the role of playmaker but our lack of creativity if Ozzy is off form was cruelly exposed.Anyway it is not the first time we have lost a cup match to a team from a lower league and it won't be the last so those of you who talk of humiliation get a life.
One final point I have been saying we need a CH in January(which we do) but we also need 2 wingers who can get behind defences...and I don't mean Baka or Makris who when introduced played wide!!!!!!!!!


Are you proud of this afternoons performance then? If so you are most deffo easily pleased.
If losing (nay taunted) by a poor Conference (or whatever it is now known) side at home floats your boat then so be it, you personally do not call that humiliation...........you are then, obviously in a minority of one, and should in your own words 'get a life', not watching football would be a start.


I think what Walsall is trying to stay is it's happened plenty of times before (Slough/Lincoln/Mansfield), happened today and will happen in following seasons.

It's life. The bread and butter is the league and the team have been performing fine in that lately so that's really what you judge seasons on as exciting as rare cup runs can be.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:04 am

Bad as it may seem and it is bad, Slough was humilating as they were several levels below conference at the time , as "Paul Mersons" Walsall we were more in the spotlight , this defeat is embarrassing yes but on the Chorley scale (which we should forever use in honour of that fine NPL side) this was maybe a 3 or 4 , where as Slough was an 8 or 9. Macc will be probably be up there at the top of conference challenging for a playoff spot , well done to em.

The players need a kick a cup run can add plenty of $$$ to the kitty and that is what was really lost here , JW needs a reminder that he is far from safe and still on trial throughout this season but a couple of wins and this will be forgotten.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:48 am

Well AM I am not going to give up watching Walsall simply because you want me to....it must come as big disappointment I know!!! Humiliation is a stupid word to describe a defeat in a football match. I have never felt humiliated watching my team play. Disappointed ..yes,very disappointed ..yes but humiliated ...never. I have seen much worse performances than yesterday poor though it was. We are a team in transition and results such as these should not surprise us...indeed I am somewhat surprised that prior to yesterday we had lost 1 match in 10. I think the modern football fan is a strange beast(the media are partly to blame) where every defeat is a disaster and if a team doesn't win in 5 matches the Manager has to go! It is nonsense and ,of course Walsall showed by the time given to Dean Smith that it doesn't have to be like that......and if the said Dean Smith had repaid that loyalty we would have been in the Championship now!!!

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Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:37 am

We were so poor. Clueless, at some points Ginnelly was playing defensive mid. I'm all for fluidity but it was ridiculous.

Matt Preston is a solid defender until he has to use his brain, he is a liability. A proper slug.

Jackson struggled on his own but he played with the touch of a rapist he couldn't trap a bag of cement today, dreadful.

Moussa. Disgrace. Couldn't pass 5 yards and couldn't be arsed to run. Overweight.

Even oztumer was poor, they had a man on him all game yes but he was also a player who couldn't pass 5 yards today.

Macclesfield were organised but basic, and they carved us open time and time again. That was the embarrassing bit, they didn't just nick a win, they bossed us.

Whitney showed himself right up today. Bakayoko on the wing lol. He needed to change something at half time, so what did he do? Sent them back out doing the same things. the way we defend is Sunday league. We let balls bounce, we back off constantly, we allow crosses into the box knowing we can't win the aerial battle, outmuscled and out fought. We didn't win a Second ball all game

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:39 am

And what has osbourne done to be dropped?

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:47 am

latviancheese wrote:And what has osbourne done to be dropped?
probably told jw that his team selection is poor, his tactics are not working and he is playing players out of position :lol: the point you make about preston is surprising considering that towards the end of last season he was turning out to be a good solid player, now all of a sudden, jw and more to the point holden has had a pre season with him and he seems to have taken a backward step?

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:29 pm

Walsallone wrote:Well about half of our "fans" didn't turn up today and neither did about half our team.We had nothing to beat and didn't beat them! Ginnelly tried hard in the role of playmaker but our lack of creativity if Ozzy is off form was cruelly exposed.Anyway it is not the first time we have lost a cup match to a team from a lower league and it won't be the last so those of you who talk of humiliation get a life.
One final point I have been saying we need a CH in January(which we do) but we also need 2 wingers who can get behind defences...and I don't mean Baka or Makris who when introduced played wide!!!!!!!!!


It may not be the first time we have lost a cup match to a team from a lower league, but it is the first time ever that Walsall have been dumped out of the 1st round of both the FA Cup and the League Cup by teams from a lower league in the same season ( open to correction since I do have a life ).
Which is a pretty dreadful statistic ( even before mentioning that both games were at home and Walsall managed to score a magnificent total of zero goals over 210 minutes ).
Surely even you haven't got a pair of ultra-strength rose-coloured spectacles to spin that away. :roll:

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:41 pm

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Walsallone wrote:Well about half of our "fans" didn't turn up today and neither did about half our team.We had nothing to beat and didn't beat them! Ginnelly tried hard in the role of playmaker but our lack of creativity if Ozzy is off form was cruelly exposed.Anyway it is not the first time we have lost a cup match to a team from a lower league and it won't be the last so those of you who talk of humiliation get a life.
One final point I have been saying we need a CH in January(which we do) but we also need 2 wingers who can get behind defences...and I don't mean Baka or Makris who when introduced played wide!!!!!!!!!


It may not be the first time we have lost a cup match to a team from a lower league, but it is the first time ever that Walsall have been dumped out of the 1st round of both the FA Cup and the League Cup by teams from a lower league in the same season ( open to correction since I do have a life ).
Which is a pretty dreadful statistic ( even before mentioning that both games were at home and Walsall managed to score a magnificent total of zero goals over 210 minutes ).
Surely even you haven't got a pair of ultra-strength rose-coloured spectacles to spin that away. :roll:


Blimey Moaning we agree on somat! You'll be after my pension portfolio next! :lol: :lol:
'One' has mentioned not feeling humiliated at a Walsall match, well he obviously didn't make it to Chesterfield then, when in the second half we were soooo bad the home fans were openly laughing out loud at our pathetic attempts, I just wanted the ground to swallow us up! :?

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:06 pm

Blimey being attacked by 2 moaners now....I feel humiliated............................NOT! My spectacles are in very good order and see things as they are! They are not rose tinted in any way. I have said how poor we were but it isn't the end of the world you know. As I said before we are a team in transition and results will be up and down until we have a settled and experienced squad. This might take some time but it may not.....but however long it takes I will be there supporting the saddlers. Will you?

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:20 pm

Typical FA cup game against non league team we came out with attitude just turn up it will be easy then had no idea how to change it.

Outplayed outfought outclassed

MOM the corner flag had more movement than our team put together.

Mug as I am will still be at MK Dons hoping for a result.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:08 pm

Walsallone wrote:Blimey being attacked by 2 moaners now....I feel humiliated............................NOT! My spectacles are in very good order and see things as they are! They are not rose tinted in any way. I have said how poor we were but it isn't the end of the world you know. As I said before we are a team in transition and results will be up and down until we have a settled and experienced squad. This might take some time but it may not.....but however long it takes I will be there supporting the saddlers. Will you?


I don't understand this transition statement? What exactly do you believe this team are going on to achieve?

It's poor that's a fact, but like yourself I won't be giving up on the club.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:03 pm

Incidentally, where are all the idiots who were happy to see Lalkovic leave?

He'd be the best player in this team by a country mile.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:05 pm

Just as a matter of interest what were the odds for a Macclesfield win?

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:30 pm

philthesaddler wrote:Incidentally, where are all the idiots who were happy to see Lalkovic leave?

He'd be the best player in this team by a country mile.


Yes, because 5 step overs to not even get past a man is exactly what this team needs.

Actually if that means Moussa never putting the shirt in again then let's go pick him up and drag him here.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:25 am

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philthesaddler wrote:Incidentally, where are all the idiots who were happy to see Lalkovic leave?

He'd be the best player in this team by a country mile.


Yes, because 5 step overs to not even get past a man is exactly what this team needs.

Actually if that means Moussa never putting the shirt in again then let's go pick him up and drag him here.


Thing is Milan was character, not the best Footballer I agree but he always played with his heart on his sleeve.

This current bunch look disinterested and soulless.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:39 am

MAZZA01 what I meant by a team in transition is that last season we had a very good team and to rebuild one like that is going to take time. At the minute we have some very good players but the job is clearly not complete. 3 of the regular back 4 are loanees for example ....we also have a number of young/inexperienced players being used...whether they develop sufficiently is an unknown so we have to be patient
My own view is that we will have a decent season this year and hopefully a much better one next year but who really knows. The game has many unexpected turns doesn't it?

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:13 pm

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moaning saddler wrote:
Walsallone wrote:Well about half of our "fans" didn't turn up today and neither did about half our team.We had nothing to beat and didn't beat them! Ginnelly tried hard in the role of playmaker but our lack of creativity if Ozzy is off form was cruelly exposed.Anyway it is not the first time we have lost a cup match to a team from a lower league and it won't be the last so those of you who talk of humiliation get a life.
One final point I have been saying we need a CH in January(which we do) but we also need 2 wingers who can get behind defences...and I don't mean Baka or Makris who when introduced played wide!!!!!!!!!


It may not be the first time we have lost a cup match to a team from a lower league, but it is the first time ever that Walsall have been dumped out of the 1st round of both the FA Cup and the League Cup by teams from a lower league in the same season ( open to correction since I do have a life ).
Which is a pretty dreadful statistic ( even before mentioning that both games were at home and Walsall managed to score a magnificent total of zero goals over 210 minutes ).
Surely even you haven't got a pair of ultra-strength rose-coloured spectacles to spin that away. :roll:


Blimey Moaning we agree on somat! You'll be after my pension portfolio next! :lol: :lol:
'One' has mentioned not feeling humiliated at a Walsall match, well he obviously didn't make it to Chesterfield then, when in the second half we were soooo bad the home fans were openly laughing out loud at our pathetic attempts, I just wanted the ground to swallow us up! :?


They must be pretty thick...have you not seen where Chesterfield are in the league table lately? :lol:

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:15 pm

Disappointing to hear the reports on Moussa btw...he had a poor start but seemed to spark into life for a 4-5 game period.

I guess he's just one of those inconsistant wide players...looks a worldbeater for about a month and then disappears for the same period.

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:02 pm

You betya WalsallOne, I'll be there on the terraces, mostly for away matches thesedays, but occasionally home matches too, shouting support for our inept lot until I am hoarse, it has been this way for 55+ years and will never change until the wife picks up the insurance money! :lol: :lol:
I know you are of a similar age'ish, we may have a differing opinion of what constitutes enjoyment of going to watch our beloved reds on occasions, but I hope many of us will continue to be there on the terraces for as long as possible, Walsall are OUR team no matter how bad (or occasionally good) we may be! Up the Saddlers!! :D :D

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:28 pm

Good on yer AM...we will have to have that pint or two sometime....but we must keep the banter going if only to "entertain" the younger members of this forum :D

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:01 pm

Walsallone wrote:Good on yer AM...we will have to have that pint or two sometime....but we must keep the banter going if only to "entertain" the younger members of this forum :D


...is there anyone older? :mrgreen:

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:10 pm

I will rather timidly suggest perhaps Pedagogue :D

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Re: Macclesfield Town (H) F.A.Cup 1st round, 5 Nov 3pm

Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:55 pm

Walsallone wrote:I will rather timidly suggest perhaps Pedagogue :D


I think Surrey Saddler is older, but doesn't post much nowadays.

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