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The state of english football.

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The state of english football.

Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:55 pm

So yet another golden generation fail yet again. What next. Has the premiership had 2 detrimental effect on the english game. Has money diluted the availiable talent or lack of in football. Do we have the right people at the top of the game. Botched new stadium resulting in FA becoming concert venue promoters for years to come, constant in fighting. Delay after delay at burton as someone mentioned before. Some could even point at the eurocrat's in brussels with there red tape and regulations putting pay to limits for foreign players.

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Re: The state of english football.

Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:03 pm

English football?

2nd rate, not enough talent coming through, wrong style of football being encouraged, premier league killing lower leagues and hobbling national team.

But watch in August when the footballing public lap up the next installment of the premier soap opera. :roll:

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Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:09 pm

And you can forget England coming anywhere near a trophy for the next 20 years, and even after that only if we do things right NOW.

Clip your wings folks, we are a second rate team that rightly gets beaten by the big guns. Last 16 is our rightful place.

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Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:10 pm

The Premiership was set up with the promise that the affluence it would bring to the sport in England would help develop the talent needed to bring success to the national team.

The effluence it has brought to the sport in England has crushed any hope that the natonal team would taste success ever again.

English football is worse off for it. If this sorry South African safari has any immediate effect, i hop it is the unfettering of the top 4 or 5 teams to a European League, leaving everyone else to pick up the pieces and try again. Their disdain for the FA, which ostensibly oversees their league, is obvious, their petulance unlimited, their selfishness without bound and their parsimony with their ill-gotten riches at the expense of everyone else is legendary. A pox on the premiership, and a pox on the FA for their ineptitude. Where is the national training academy? Where is any national youth structure beyond those belonging to the clubs themselves, and where are the opportunities for English players? All well and good for Walsall to have a Centre Of Excellence, but when we, and similar clubs, have to run it on the smell of an oily rag, and lose talent to premier league teams, with their multinational youth academies helpfully training the next generation of internation stars for other nations, one can't help but think that money comes first, not the beautiful game.

Get used to celebrating making the Top 16. In Europe.

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:45 am

Rich Evans wrote: Has the premiership had 2 detrimental effect on the english game.



Yep.................before 1991 we were world beaters.

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:57 am

kevin wrote:
Rich Evans wrote: Has the premiership had 2 detrimental effect on the english game.



Yep.................before 1991 we were world beaters.

...of course, since then, we've become so much better? What are you trying to say?

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:36 am

It wouldn't be so bad, if it hadn't have been predicted. Look at the next generation and they probably aren't as good as this lot!. The Premiership has killed off the England team and nothing than a root and branch change will make any difference. Changing the Manager is just rearranging the deckcahirs on the Titanic.

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:53 am

There isnt enough English players competing for a place in the England squad, which results in there being an "elite" group of 20-30 players who challenge, with an even more "elite" group that always get picked, regardless of performance - these are the likes of Rooney, Lampard, Terry etc.

I do think the FA should look at imposing a sensible quota on foreign players.

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:16 am

The solution is obvious - we throw our doors open to immigrants from all over the world.

This is what Germany did in the 90s and their national team has reaped the benefits. 11 of their 23 man squad are not "ethnically German". What a tremendous advert for a truly adventurous immigration policy (allied to a huge investment in youth coaching, of course).

The stout English yeoman has had his day, I'm afraid. It's time to follow the Germans' lead and the goal must be the creation of a footballing rainbow superstate.
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:47 am

bangsection wrote:The solution is obvious - we throw our doors open to immigrants from all over the world.

This is what Germany did in the 90s and their national team has reaped the benefits. 11 of their 23 man squad are not "ethnically German". What a tremendous advert for a truly adventurous immigration policy (allied to a huge investment in youth coaching, of course).

The stout English yeoman has had his day, I'm afraid. It's time to follow the German's lead and the goal must be the creation of a footballing rainbow superstate.

A bit like the English cricket team? :wink:

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:11 am

Exactamundo, my colonial friend!

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:16 am

Despite the problems with the Premiership and the English game, there is still enough talent in the country to go further than we did.

The problem is each manager feels compelled to playing the best club players and shoehorning them into the team because they're seen to be among the best in the world, even if that means playing them out of position.

Balls to that, have a squad of players in the position they play for their club, week in, week out regardless of what their name is and whether they play for a top 6 club (or even a Premiership club). Players that play well together as a team, not as individuals.

This generation has failed and it's time to do what the Germans have done and start from scratch with a youthful squad for the future before they've had the chance to be ruined by the media, and have the arrogance of the more experienced donuts. Also remove the players excuse of the language barrier and install an English manager with proven continental experience and tactical awareness. Roy Hodgson.

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:25 am

Magic Man Fan wrote:Despite the problems with the Premiership and the English game, there is still enough talent in the country to go further than we did.

The problem is each manager feels compelled to playing the best club players and shoehorning them into the team because they're seen to be among the best in the world, even if that means playing them out of position.

Balls to that, have a squad of players in the position they play for their club, week in, week out regardless of what their name is and whether they play for a top 6 club (or even a Premiership club). Players that play well together as a team, not as individuals.

This generation has failed and it's time to do what the Germans have done and start from scratch with a youthful squad for the future before they've had the chance to be ruined by the media, and have the arrogance of the more experienced donuts. Also remove the players excuse of the language barrier and install an English manager with proven continental experience and tactical awareness. Roy Hodgson.


Could not agree more.
As I have said on another thread, how on earth can we have a manager that cant speak fluent English!!!!
When he was on the radio yesterday, I switched off listening to him, because his English was rubbish!
I can see the players doing the same thing.

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:41 am

Magic Man Fan wrote:Despite the problems with the Premiership and the English game, there is still enough talent in the country to go further than we did.

The problem is each manager feels compelled to playing the best club players and shoehorning them into the team because they're seen to be among the best in the world, even if that means playing them out of position.

Balls to that, have a squad of players in the position they play for their club, week in, week out regardless of what their name is and whether they play for a top 6 club (or even a Premiership club). Players that play well together as a team, not as individuals.

This generation has failed and it's time to do what the Germans have done and start from scratch with a youthful squad for the future before they've had the chance to be ruined by the media, and have the arrogance of the more experienced donuts. Also remove the players excuse of the language barrier and install an English manager with proven continental experience and tactical awareness. Roy Hodgson.


Spot on , however I Do feel we have many foreign players and managers in the English game that is stifling our young players .
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Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:10 pm

It's worth repeating on this thread:-

UEFA A & PRO COACHES

SPAIN (population 45,000,000) - 14,860, or 1 for every 3,000 people
GERMANY (population 82,000,000) - 6,570, or 1 for every 12,480 people
FRANCE (population 62,000,000 - 2,588, or 1 for every 23,956 people
ITALY (population 60,000,000) - 1,810., or 1 for every 33,149 people
NETH'NDS (population 16,500,000) - 1,137, or 1 for every 14,511 people
ENGLAND (population 51,500,000) - 1,010, or 1 for every 50,990 people

No wonder our kids can’t play football properly. We have far fewer qualified coaches then anyone else!

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:12 pm

The whole sport in England isnt collapsing.
We lost a game and went out the World Cup, not as if its never happened before.. :roll:

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Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:14 pm

SheffieldSaddler wrote:
Magic Man Fan wrote:Despite the problems with the Premiership and the English game, there is still enough talent in the country to go further than we did.

The problem is each manager feels compelled to playing the best club players and shoehorning them into the team because they're seen to be among the best in the world, even if that means playing them out of position.

Balls to that, have a squad of players in the position they play for their club, week in, week out regardless of what their name is and whether they play for a top 6 club (or even a Premiership club). Players that play well together as a team, not as individuals.

This generation has failed and it's time to do what the Germans have done and start from scratch with a youthful squad for the future before they've had the chance to be ruined by the media, and have the arrogance of the more experienced donuts. Also remove the players excuse of the language barrier and install an English manager with proven continental experience and tactical awareness. Roy Hodgson.


Could not agree more.
As I have said on another thread, how on earth can we have a manager that cant speak fluent English!!!!
When he was on the radio yesterday, I switched off listening to him, because his English was rubbish!
I can see the players doing the same thing.


I also agree surprisingly enough, but the attitude of the players is what stinks more than anything else. For the 4 games they played, they should have been able to do better than that without a soddin manager.

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Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:00 pm

andy burnham has his say
[url][http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8776005.stm/url]

cant really argue with much he says there. Its all about money then the shocking statistic of 60% foriegners in the premiership, and the Italians thought they had it bad when Cannavaro came out with only 45% of players in serie a are italian

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Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:29 pm

Duke wrote:
Magic Man Fan wrote:Despite the problems with the Premiership and the English game, there is still enough talent in the country to go further than we did.

The problem is each manager feels compelled to playing the best club players and shoehorning them into the team because they're seen to be among the best in the world, even if that means playing them out of position.

Balls to that, have a squad of players in the position they play for their club, week in, week out regardless of what their name is and whether they play for a top 6 club (or even a Premiership club). Players that play well together as a team, not as individuals.

This generation has failed and it's time to do what the Germans have done and start from scratch with a youthful squad for the future before they've had the chance to be ruined by the media, and have the arrogance of the more experienced donuts. Also remove the players excuse of the language barrier and install an English manager with proven continental experience and tactical awareness. Roy Hodgson.


Spot on , however I Do feel we have many foreign players and managers in the English game that is stiffing our young players .


:shock:

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Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:08 pm

chestersaddler wrote:
Duke wrote:
Magic Man Fan wrote:Despite the problems with the Premiership and the English game, there is still enough talent in the country to go further than we did.

The problem is each manager feels compelled to playing the best club players and shoehorning them into the team because they're seen to be among the best in the world, even if that means playing them out of position.

Balls to that, have a squad of players in the position they play for their club, week in, week out regardless of what their name is and whether they play for a top 6 club (or even a Premiership club). Players that play well together as a team, not as individuals.

This generation has failed and it's time to do what the Germans have done and start from scratch with a youthful squad for the future before they've had the chance to be ruined by the media, and have the arrogance of the more experienced donuts. Also remove the players excuse of the language barrier and install an English manager with proven continental experience and tactical awareness. Roy Hodgson.


Spot on , however I Do feel we have many foreign players and managers in the English game that is stiffing our young players .


:shock:


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Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:03 pm

What is the FA actually doing about it though?
I've read in recent days that Spain and Germany are starting to see the fruition of long term plans they put in over the last decade. Do the FA even have a long term plan?

Even if the long awaited Burton gets built in the next year or so I'd that the only thing they are doing?
The FA should have a plan to overall the whole system from secondary school upwards for the good of the national game.
The whole country needs to be singing from the same hymnsheet. Along with the finance issues it shoul be made compulsory for everyone of the 92 clubs to use a set percentage of their budgets on youth players selected from their local area.

Changing the manager now will do naff all apart from force the FA to fork out yet more millions it can't afford in compensation. How are they going to budget for that? Wouldn't be surprised if the first casualty would be the delaying of the Burton project yet again! CLUELESS!

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Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:14 pm

SaddlerSteve wrote:Do the FA even have a long term plan?

I'd be surprised if they even have short term plans, let alone a long term plan.

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Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:21 pm

longdogs wrote:
SaddlerSteve wrote:Do the FA even have a long term plan?

I'd be surprised if they even have short term plans, let alone a long term plan.

Goal: keep the gravy train going as long as possible whilst having no positive effect on English football whatsoever.

Useless old duffers.

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Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:44 pm

Possibly the best football article the Excrete & Stir has published for years.

Still no mention of Walsall though. :wink:

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