Oldham Athletic (H) League One August 8th 3pm

[tinned]

Could you imagine Bristol City last season or Wolves 2 years ago trying to see out a draw at home with 5 minutes to go? Would they heck as like they would have thrown the kitchen sink at Oldham. That's the winning mentality Smithout does not have.

Yes, That and about £10million quid to spend on wages...

What a complete cop out that is in the context of this discussion. you don't need any money (let alone millions) to install a winning mentality. You could install it in a Sunday pub team. It doesn't mean they have to win every game but they will bloody bust a gut to try to. None of that with Mr Mediocrity, too happy to quietly take the draw and reel off a list of excuses for the lack of points gained.

This, "we should be happy with our lot, and not demand too much" mentality has spread from Uncle Cyprus, down to the board, manager, players and even fans are now toeing the company line.

Er no it's called reality. It saves me from going through life with the emotional development of a toddler. :idea:

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

[Andy_Petterson]

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

[tinned]

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

Think you're summat special don't ya?

The biggest problem is, I shall try and go slowly so you can keep up, is too often our opposition have that mentality but we don't.

Now, go to your framed photograph of the Ginger Mourinho and ask why that's the case.

[Andy_Petterson]

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

Think you're summat special don't ya?

The biggest problem is, I shall try and go slowly so you can keep up, is too often our opposition have that mentality but we don't.

Now, go to your framed photograph of the Ginger Mourinho and ask why that's the case.

Oh dear i was hoping the penny would drop but gave you too much credit.

So which teams have we played that have this winning mentality? Do they also perchance spend a lot more money Walsall?

[tinned]

If football is purely based on money available why don't we cancel the league and compare playing budgets. A quick and simple way to complete the final league placings.

[Andy_Petterson]

If football is purely based on money available why don't we cancel the league and compare playing budgets. A quick and simple way to complete the final league placings.

Because it's not solely based on money and there's more to football than the final result.

However the football authorities should do more to ensure teams compete within FFP limits. TV money should be more evenly distributed too.

[pumajaguar]

Deano is a relatively cautious manager who sets up not to lose first and win second.This is clear from watching the team and the fact his teams draw more than they win or lose. Wether this is a positive or negative is a matter of debate, but budget isn't really relevant to this particular discussion.

[tinned]

Deano is a relatively cautious manager who sets up not to lose first and win second.This is clear from watching the team and the fact his teams draw more than they win or lose. Wether this is a positive or negative is a matter of debate, but budget isn't really relevant to this particular discussion.

Don't be silly! A-P has proven, beyond doubt, that budget is everything. If we're playing a team with a higher budget we may as well roll over and take our punishment. Definitely none of that "lets-show-them-sometimes-the-under-dog-can-have-their-day" rubbish.

[Ancient Moaner]

Have just watched the recording of the new League show on Channel 5 (what a desperate mish mash of content and production by the way) and, without doubt, the point that struck me is that most clubs in our division and our next division (4) have made brave, and mostly successful ventures into the market, (seeing our 'released' players making instant impacts on their new clubs is somewhat irritating) whilst we have dithered and basically done 'nowt' but replace our goalie. Though it hurts to admit it, our squad looks weak and toothless in the face of very stiff competition from what most on here think is a poor division (I don't agree), it's going to be a long season of struggle, I fear MP may be more intuitive than most care to admit.
The squad did fluff all last season, bored the life force out of most of our supporters, looked uncommitted and lifeless throughout, could only pass sideways and backwards, failed to score enough goals, and yet we start a new season with basically the same squad, so, what's the expectancy? More of the same? Probably yes, until someone at Board level realises that Smith is crud, and will continue to take us to the dizzy heights of 15th.....again, and again, and again...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzz :?

[Leatherman]

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

Whether you think you can win or whether you think you can't... You'll be right.

A positive mentality is essential if you want to succeed in anything in life.

If every team manager had that philosophy then we might see some end to end EXICTING football. Not everyone can have a Ray Graydon or, for that matter Brian Clough because everyone's different.

Sitting back and waiting for the 'penny to drop' seems to be be your philosophy on life and probably the way you get an income.

If you want something badly enough, you'll go out and get it and not rely on others to get it for you.

It may have passed you by, but football is in the entertainment business.

[We-ARE-Walsall]

No good complaining about the budget, when Smith consistently builds unbalanced squads. Signs players and either doesn't use them, or plays them out of position. We had 3 wide men on the bench Saturday, and one on the pitch, and he decides he isn't going to play as system that accommodates them. Decides to play 2 upfront, when realistically we only have one striker of any worth. No problem with the change of formation, or whatever, but surely build the squad around what you are trying to do ?

I'm not actually in the Smith out camp just yet, but I have serious concerns about our future under him. It's very dull and boring watching Walsall right now, especially at home. All very predictable.

[Leatherman]

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

Think you're summat special don't ya?

The biggest problem is, I shall try and go slowly so you can keep up, is too often our opposition have that mentality but we don't.

Now, go to your framed photograph of the Ginger Mourinho and ask why that's the case.

Oh dear i was hoping the penny would drop but gave you too much credit.

So which teams have we played that have this winning mentality? Do they also perchance spend a lot more money Walsall?

It's a long list but just to get it started:

Rochdale;
Chesterfield;
Burton Albion;
Shrewsbury...

The old Wimbledon made it to the first division without any footballers whatsoever and, what can be reasonably assumed to be a small budget.

[Sadsfan]

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

Think you're summat special don't ya?

The biggest problem is, I shall try and go slowly so you can keep up, is too often our opposition have that mentality but we don't.

Now, go to your framed photograph of the Ginger Mourinho and ask why that's the case.

Oh dear i was hoping the penny would drop but gave you too much credit.

So which teams have we played that have this winning mentality? Do they also perchance spend a lot more money Walsall?

It's a long list but just to get it started:

Rochdale;
Chesterfield;
Burton Albion;
Shrewsbury...

The old Wimbledon made it to the first division without any footballers whatsoever and, what can be reasonably assumed to be a small budget.

Once again Andy Patterson is back with his smug musings and is patronising to the extreme. By his reckoning how did we ever beat Arsenal in 84, draw with Liverpool at Anfield, get promoted to the championship 3 times always having a smaller budget than others. I'm sure
Arsenal had a budget at least 10 times more than us so by his method how the hell did we ever even score against them let alone beat them?

[Gripper]

Bradshaw won loads of battles, sawyers held the ball up well, Downing just isn't good enough, the keepers kicking did get better, Cook....get rid, Chambers did his job...The rest went over my head.

I want to be gutted we drew, but we didnt deserve to win....on to Tuesday.

[Andy_Petterson]

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

Think you're summat special don't ya?

The biggest problem is, I shall try and go slowly so you can keep up, is too often our opposition have that mentality but we don't.

Now, go to your framed photograph of the Ginger Mourinho and ask why that's the case.

Oh dear i was hoping the penny would drop but gave you too much credit.

So which teams have we played that have this winning mentality? Do they also perchance spend a lot more money Walsall?

It's a long list but just to get it started:

Rochdale;
Chesterfield;
Burton Albion;
Shrewsbury...

The old Wimbledon made it to the first division without any footballers whatsoever and, what can be reasonably assumed to be a small budget.

So remind when we played Burton Albion? :roll:

You post nonsense on a public forum. And then expect to be taken seriously?

You may want to double check our record against Shrewsbury the last few years too.

:lol:

[Andy_Petterson]

Once again Andy Patterson is back with his smug musings and is patronising to the extreme. By his reckoning how did we ever beat Arsenal in 84, draw with Liverpool at Anfield, get promoted to the championship 3 times always having a smaller budget than others. I'm sure
Arsenal had a budget at least 10 times more than us so by his method how the hell did we ever even score against them let alone beat them?

Because that was 30 years ago, around the last time you learned anything new. Things have changed.

[Andy_Petterson]

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

Whether you think you can win or whether you think you can't... You'll be right.

A positive mentality is essential if you want to succeed in anything in life.

If every team manager had that philosophy then we might see some end to end EXICTING football. Not everyone can have a Ray Graydon or, for that matter Brian Clough because everyone's different.

Sitting back and waiting for the 'penny to drop' seems to be be your philosophy on life and probably the way you get an income.

If you want something badly enough, you'll go out and get it and not rely on others to get it for you.

It may have passed you by, but football is in the entertainment business.

Penny to drop was a metaphor. It means becoming aware of a situation you are in.

I've no idea why you'd think it would be a source of income. It wouldn't get you very far (although it might buy you a video recorder).

[JonnyOwen]

I don't really think out of all the failings of Smith, switching to 1 up front to protect a point when the momentum is completely against you, should really be one of them. Made sense to me IMO, imagine the reaction if we lost, even if we did "go for it", he'd get lynched even harder.

He should of switched things a lot earlier than after we conceded, lynch him for that instead.

[Cully]

I have prepared a handy list of stock phrases to be used this season whenever our plucky team fails to win, draw, entertain, score goals, attack or goes on our annual win less run of a minimum of 12 games. Please do not over use each expression lest the impact becomes ineffective in persuading eye witnesses of such performances.....................

1. In Dean Smith I believe
2. We were unlucky
3. We've got a smaller playing budget than Dobbies [Shenstone branch] U13's
4. I'll give him [Daneo] till Christmas, another month, the next ten matches, the next season or any other appropriate time frame
5. We should be beating teams like ...[insert name of unfashionable team[......but they were bigger than us, didn't play proper football, are cheats
6. Lucky dip.........please make up any unbelievable, unsubstantiated or illogical statement.
7. SMITHOUT - PERIOD


Walsall 1 - 1 Oldham .................................... 7

[Sadsfan]

Once again Andy Patterson is back with his smug musings and is patronising to the extreme. By his reckoning how did we ever beat Arsenal in 84, draw with Liverpool at Anfield, get promoted to the championship 3 times always having a smaller budget than others. I'm sure
Arsenal had a budget at least 10 times more than us so by his method how the hell did we ever even score against them let alone beat them?

Because that was 30 years ago, around the last time you learned anything new. Things have changed.

Ah right, so 30 years ago it didn't matter that Arsenal had a bigger budget than us, it has only become an issue since January 2011. Stop hiding behind the budget red herring and just face the fact that we're going nowhere with Smith in charge and the blame for that rests squarely on his shoulders and his dire sideways football and atrocious squad building.

[Walsallone]

of course the budget isn't the be all and end all as to whether a team is successful or not. The key point is whether that budget is well used. The Smithouters already know ...we know that because they keep telling us!
I don't know at this stage however the signs are mixed and the next 3 months are vital to his time as Manager.

[Leatherman]

So because A, B & C have got more money than us it's a convenient excuse to not try too hard? Beaten before you even begin mate.

God knows how Graydon got his team competing with Fulham & Man City. Would've ben much better to cry about a lack of funds and quietly give up. We have the club we deserve :roll:

You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

Whether you think you can win or whether you think you can't... You'll be right.

A positive mentality is essential if you want to succeed in anything in life.

If every team manager had that philosophy then we might see some end to end EXICTING football. Not everyone can have a Ray Graydon or, for that matter Brian Clough because everyone's different.

Sitting back and waiting for the 'penny to drop' seems to be be your philosophy on life and probably the way you get an income.

If you want something badly enough, you'll go out and get it and not rely on others to get it for you.

It may have passed you by, but football is in the entertainment business.

Penny to drop was a metaphor. It means becoming aware of a situation you are in.

I've no idea why you'd think it would be a source of income. It wouldn't get you very far (although it might buy you a video recorder).

Insinuation: an indirect or covert suggestion or hint, especially of a derogatory nature.

I bet your parents will be glad when then the schools reopen for business.

[Leatherman]

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You honestly think it's that simple? Team's just need the right mentality?

Wow you are the prophet aren't you? Why has no-one thought of this before?

Here's a mind experiment that will probably blow your mind. What happens when everyone has that mentality? What would happen if every team employed Ray Graydon as manager?

(...sits back and waits for penny drop.)

Think you're summat special don't ya?

The biggest problem is, I shall try and go slowly so you can keep up, is too often our opposition have that mentality but we don't.

Now, go to your framed photograph of the Ginger Mourinho and ask why that's the case.

Oh dear i was hoping the penny would drop but gave you too much credit.

So which teams have we played that have this winning mentality? Do they also perchance spend a lot more money Walsall?

It's a long list but just to get it started:

Rochdale;
Chesterfield;
Burton Albion;
Shrewsbury...

The old Wimbledon made it to the first division without any footballers whatsoever and, what can be reasonably assumed to be a small budget.

So remind when we played Burton Albion? :roll:

You post nonsense on a public forum. And then expect to be taken seriously?

You may want to double check our record against Shrewsbury the last few years too.

:lol:

Shrewsbury knocked us out the cup last season (they were in league lower than us at the time).

We played Burton in a couple of friendliest a few years ago. Drew the first one and lost the second.

[Neuromantic]

I think what alarms me more than Smith etc, is the apathy and resignation in mediocrity that Walsall fans have these days.

What has happened to our club?

[Aldridge_saddler]

short but sweet.

Positives

- Demetriou and Henry looked really good. Be sad when the latter leaves by the end of the month.
- Good goal for Sawyers
- I liked the look of 3-5-2 in parts

Negatives.

- Defensive positioning was terrible
- Second half we looked terrible.
- Wing backs were dangerously exposed
- CM looked weak and sloppy.

[Ancient Moaner]

I think what alarms me more than Smith etc, is the apathy and resignation in mediocrity that Walsall fans have these days.

What has happened to our club?

Bonser & Dean Smith have diligently contrived to churn out boring lifeless unexciting football that is killing our club with mind numbing nothingness. I was utterly stunned to find 4K turned out for the opening regulation 1-1 draw. With Smith still installing crab like attack free football, that will drop (like we will down the League) to 2K, guaranteed.

[alexgregory93]

I was in the ground at 14:10 and the players were doing an intense warm up until the kick off, whereas the Oldham players were doing a light warm up. By the 60 minute mark the players were knackered! its like were playing Extra time every game!! surely the players running there knackers off before the game has started is not needed!?

[Cheesebag]

Well the new system worked fantastically.......


For the first ten minutes :mrgreen:


Then when Oldham realised we basically only had two men in midfield they totally over ran us.

They could and should have won comfortably

[IHTC.]

I think what alarms me more than Smith etc, is the apathy and resignation in mediocrity that Walsall fans have these days.

What has happened to our club?

Bonser & Dean Smith have diligently contrived to churn out boring lifeless unexciting football that is killing our club with mind numbing nothingness. I was utterly stunned to find 4K turned out for the opening regulation 1-1 draw. With Smith still installing crab like attack free football, that will drop (like we will down the League) to 2K, guaranteed.

2k? Not in a month of Sundays, no matter how bad things get we always have our hardcore 3k

[scott_powell]

Away fans praising Sawyers AGAIN.

cack though ay he!