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Rochdale Away

Reports and reaction from the 2014-2015 season as Walsall finished 14th in League 1
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Re: Rochdale Away

Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:48 pm

Andy_Petterson wrote:
Ancient Moaner wrote:
Andy_Petterson wrote:
Cowshed wrote:Even with our strongest team we wouldn't have got anything tonight Rochdale were far better so the injury list is irrelevant

The 1st choice team just isn't good enough for the league and 3 wins in 26 confirms this.

We will pick up the odd win if we catch teams off form like we did on Saturday.

Replacing smith may not be the answer but what else do you do? How do you get more out of this squad of players?



I've read some nonsense in my time, but that takes the biscuit.



You were obviously not there last night then, if you had been you will know how true that line was.
If we had played the game with 22 of our entire squad, Rochdale would still have scagged us, they were quick, incisive, FIT, well organised, knew exactly how to attack efficiently and will be a power to be reckoned with in this division.

Further to Mr. 'I'm a large overweight slow moving petrol tanker' Mon-Say, love some of the lines in posts above that underlined his totally inept performance!
I have always been a believer in the need for a well proportioned black (can I say that?) striker/poacher up front (the likes of Akinfenwa) but after last night I have changed my stance
completely.
I honestly think that he will tear up his own contract, or have it terminated by 'mutual consent' and will trot (he can't run) back to Frrrance within a matter of weeks.


Erm, I was there AM, and share the frustrations of others, but I know enough about Walsall's squad to say that if Bradshaw, J Chambers, A Chambers and Sam Mantom were 100% and had played we wouldn't have lost 4-0.

Also, A Taylor got injured, and I hope for dear life that Manset had some sort of injury, or at very least wasn't match fit. If he was then he's the worst signing since Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement.

I'm not saying its a get out clause for losing 4-0, but to say the injury list is irrelevant (cowshed's words) is just wrong and doesn't help us to understand what wrong and how it can get better.



I suppose the quality of the squad is open to individual opinion but what cannot be questioned are the actual facts that in the last 26 games at this level we have won 3 but let's carry on papering over the cracks

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Re: Rochdale Away

Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:53 pm

Cowshed wrote:
Andy_Petterson wrote:
Ancient Moaner wrote:
Andy_Petterson wrote:
Cowshed wrote:Even with our strongest team we wouldn't have got anything tonight Rochdale were far better so the injury list is irrelevant

The 1st choice team just isn't good enough for the league and 3 wins in 26 confirms this.

We will pick up the odd win if we catch teams off form like we did on Saturday.

Replacing smith may not be the answer but what else do you do? How do you get more out of this squad of players?



I've read some nonsense in my time, but that takes the biscuit.



You were obviously not there last night then, if you had been you will know how true that line was.
If we had played the game with 22 of our entire squad, Rochdale would still have scagged us, they were quick, incisive, FIT, well organised, knew exactly how to attack efficiently and will be a power to be reckoned with in this division.

Further to Mr. 'I'm a large overweight slow moving petrol tanker' Mon-Say, love some of the lines in posts above that underlined his totally inept performance!
I have always been a believer in the need for a well proportioned black (can I say that?) striker/poacher up front (the likes of Akinfenwa) but after last night I have changed my stance
completely.
I honestly think that he will tear up his own contract, or have it terminated by 'mutual consent' and will trot (he can't run) back to Frrrance within a matter of weeks.


Erm, I was there AM, and share the frustrations of others, but I know enough about Walsall's squad to say that if Bradshaw, J Chambers, A Chambers and Sam Mantom were 100% and had played we wouldn't have lost 4-0.

Also, A Taylor got injured, and I hope for dear life that Manset had some sort of injury, or at very least wasn't match fit. If he was then he's the worst signing since Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement.

I'm not saying its a get out clause for losing 4-0, but to say the injury list is irrelevant (cowshed's words) is just wrong and doesn't help us to understand what wrong and how it can get better.



I suppose the quality of the squad is open to individual opinion but what cannot be questioned are the actual facts that in the last 26 games at this level we have won 3 but let's carry on papering over the cracks


No. Let's understand what's going wrong and how best to resolve the problems.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:21 pm

Rochdale supporters aren't too keen on Ashley Grimes. Speaking to a couple in the Lee's club, they were saying he was a good finisher but oh so lazy. Nearly fell off their chairs when told he had been playing on the wing!

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Re: Rochdale Away

Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:28 pm

I suppose the quality of the squad is open to individual opinion but what cannot be questioned are the actual facts that in the last 26 games at this level we have won 3 but let's carry on papering over the cracks[/quote]

No. Let's understand what's going wrong and how best to resolve the problems.[/quote]



No. We are customers it is not our job to resolve the problems. Someone has already drawn a salary after each of the 26 games

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Re: Rochdale Away

Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:36 pm

Cowshed wrote:I suppose the quality of the squad is open to individual opinion but what cannot be questioned are the actual facts that in the last 26 games at this level we have won 3 but let's carry on papering over the cracks


No. Let's understand what's going wrong and how best to resolve the problems.[/quote]



No. We are customers it is not our job to resolve the problems. Someone has already drawn a salary after each of the 26 games[/quote]

You may see yourself as a customer. I am a supporter and want what is best for Walsall fc in the long term.

I accept others may think the best way forward is different to what I think is the best way forward, but I have more time for those who show a modicum of understanding of the situation.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:26 am

WFC_Rob wrote:Smith's been unlucky with injuries, but he's also done what he's done every summer and signed two average players too many - quantity over quality


This!

His signings are usually cack.

He also doesn't sign people in the positions he doesn't like/isn't comfortable (wide men and forwards).

He also likes midget crabs.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:31 am

Ancient Moaner wrote: I have always been a believer in the need for a well proportioned black (can I say that?) striker/poacher up front (the likes of Akinfenwa) but after last night I have changed my stance completely.


Embarassing comment. You're not only writing off Manset's Walsall career after one game, you're saying that you have "changed your stance completely" on black strikers after one game by Mattieu Manset. I presume you wouldn't want Didier Drogba on loan because he has the same skin colour as Manset? I presume you've changed your stance on people with the same skin colour as O'Connor, who was equally shocking? Are we allowed players with ginger hair after Flanagan's stinker?

Keep your "ancient" racism elsewhere.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:52 am

Andy_Petterson wrote:You may see yourself as a customer. I am a supporter and want what is best for Walsall fc in the long term.


If I thought of myself as a customer of Walsall FC, I'd have fudge off decades ago. Would be the equivalent of keep going back to Wetherspoons to eat.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:59 am

Ancient Moaner wrote:I have always been a believer in the need for a well proportioned black (can I say that?) striker/poacher up front


Are you Alf Garnett in disguise? :lol: :lol:

Haven't seen/heard the word "scagged" in years :D

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:47 am

how much longer are people going to bang on about the injuries as an excuse for the performances/results? the injury list didn't bother anyone on Saturday after we'd beat preston

it's a squad game these days, and the squad simply isn't good enough. that is smith's fault and no one else's

3 wins in 26 games, no wins in preseason (first team). that is a shocking stat and every other manager in the football league would've been out of a job by now

what has smith got on bonser for him not to be sacked???

before you all come back saying who should come in instead then. would you want this run to continue till xmas/jan, when it'll be to late to save us? at least change it while we have a chance

I hope i'm wrong but Gillingham is a loooong way to go on Saturday and lose, but I can't see anything else but a defeat

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:11 am

How to make a match thread embarrassing in two easy steps.

1) refer for supporters as 'customers'
2) suggest the need for a well proportioned black striker/poacher up front

Sorry, but have to use text speak = FFS!!! :lol:

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:48 am

Can't see the point in saying "Smith out",He's treated like a god when he's doing well and a complete A**hole when he's not.It just needs a more even handed approach,don't hoist him shoulder high every time the team wins and don't call for his head every time the team lose's,he's here for the long term.The way i see it,what Smith and O'kelly need is a good mid to end of season,then be able to keep the squad together and have a FULL pre season with their FULL squad.Lets face facts,Smith has lost so many good players since he took over,not his fault,its not easy working with so many new faces every year.The one thing i would fault him on is the fact that he doggedly sticks to the same philosophy no matter which players he has to work with.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:58 am

JonnyOwen wrote:Well I suppose I should come on here and defend Deano and what I said at half time.

First of all, lets talk the team. You are Dean Smith, you have a pretty good record away from home playing a 4231 formation where you can control the game but also attack the opposition because of the space provided when you are an away team in comparison to an away team. This formation has been the staple of his managerial reign, and is also the formation that works well away from home and at home last game against Preston. Why would Dean Smith change this against Rochdale? He trusts his players, he said in the post match interview up on Saddlers Player that they identified that they would play up to their tall number 7, and if they couldn't win that header, to win the second ball. He knows what to do, he knew what to do to counter act their play, however the players didn't do that as we would never pick up the second ball throughout the match, I identified this myself when watching the first half and had my head in my hands at how many second balls we didn't pick up or win. Deano was forced to make two changes to his team because of injury, A Chambers out and Bradshaw out. Before the game, I thought (mistakenly) we would be okay without them both as Clifford and Manset are decent enough players. This is where the problems truly started to bed in. Manset up front offered no threat whatsoever, and when you consider his height and strength he should be ashamed of his performance when it comes to winning headers, appalling. What else could Dean Smith have done in that area up front? Manset was the number 1 back up to Bradshaw, putting in an okay performance against Colchester and impressing during pre-season - but he had a poor, poor game. Deano believed in him to do well and he failed him, that is one position where the player did not perform.

Let's look to the midfield now then, in the centre we had Flanagan and Clifford. Now presumably from Dean Smiths point of view they are both hard working central midfielder's that are full of belief and determination, they can both pass and carry the ball - the problem was that physical they were intimidated and brushed aside by the powerful and swift Rochdale midfielder's that will never have an easier time. A Chambers was a huge miss as he is a player who breaks up the play, brings a more physical side of the game to the squad and who also does the more simple stuff that is VITAL away from home as they will undoubtedly come and press us as the away team. Our two in the centre couldn't deal with them pressing us so high up the pitch, which meant that whenever one of them got the ball we lost it immediately as they would panic and lose it or panic and punt it up the pitch to a Manset who couldn't win a game of connect 4 against an autistic duck. Control of the game from midfield, which we normally have a perfect grasp of the game from, was lost. Poor Flanagan looked out of his depth and I hope he picks his head up and learns from this. Clifford was just as poor passing wise, but he did put plenty of effort in. Deano ended up recognising we needed calm passing in the centre and switched Clifford and Sawyers' positions, and Clifford did a little better chasing down defenders where Sawyers would of stood around, whilst Sawyers passed it a bit calmer where Clifford may have played the long ball. Ultimately this did not much except improve our passing stats, because we still lost the ball and got trounced in the centre of the park by their physical midfielder's.

I feel sorry for Mal Benning, as so many people give him stick for not being a winger, but personally I think he was our best attacker - he could pick the ball and and run with it, he has decent passing so he can get the ball to the player off the front as well as a brilliant touch that no-one gives him plaudits for that can steady an attack and make us immediately a lot more dangerous. He and Andy Taylor were the only players on the pitch for us that were decent. Forde was playing? Didn't see him do anything in 90 minutes.

James O'Connor, what went wrong today with him? Who knows, but he was god awful, he didn't win a header against their number 7 but that's fine - the problem was he couldn't keep up with him in terms of pace and positionally he was all over the place. I remember once in the first half we were being attacked and he was basically stepping on the toes of Downing he had gone infield so much, the only way their winger would of had more space on that flank would be if he left the ground and drove to Preston. Downing was just as bad, he had one of those game that he had a couple of times last season but amplified, beaten for pace every time by their players who would run in between both him and Butler with ease. It wouldn't surprise me to find out Butler and Downing are still turning around to catch their forwards to this day. O'Donnell wasn't bad but he wasn't great, he went too close to the near post for the first goal and got caught off his line once again by the opposition, but not once, not twice but I can count 3 times where they attempted to chip him. One hit the post, one went not far over and the last into his hands - not sure what is going on with him in terms of his positioning, however it is also worth noting that every chip came from forward pressure, winning the ball from our central midfielder's who were hardly in the game, and just having a go. Perhaps he is just used to a comfortable on the ball and reliable central midfield, and us losing it so easily isn't what he was used to from last seasons midfield.

Now Dean Smith, what could he have done to counter act all of this individual mistakes and poor performances? Andy Butler, Paul Downing, Billy Clifford and O'Connor have all been solid in previous games, especially against really physical opposition against Preston on Saturday. They all had stinkers, what could he truly of done about that? People say play 5 at the back, first of all that would put Dean Holden on the pitch, someone EVEN SLOWER than our already too slow back four. We could of played Kinsella at right back, but if O'Connor can't win headers against their number 7 Kinsella wouldn't of stood a chance. Well then what about the second ball, if we add an extra defender to the back 4, the player that comes out would surely either be a winger or Sawyers. Same problem is still there, Clifford and Flanagan both had poor games and are simply not physical enough to compete, they still wouldn't of won the second balls. Lastly, we don't play this tactic of 5 at the back, it's not our style and if we did play it and we still lost Deano would of got a rollicking on here about changing up a winning formation and team.

Could he have played different personnel? Well discounting Manset he played a team who slaughtered an unbeaten Preston team, why would he change a winning team so much, and with injuries plaguing the squad, what could he have done in changes to counter-act Rochdale anyway? Who could of come in? No-one, the only ones who could are out injured. Baxendale is a flair player just like Clifford and Flanagan in the centre of the park, same problems are still evident. Holden? Just as slow, and why would he put Holden in (who many on here say is past it) over the solid Downing and Mr Fantastic And Butler?

Bakayoko up front someone said? Why would he put an unproven up front instead of an impressive Manset, for the speed? Bakayoko is a talent that first of all needs protecting and nurturing, throwing him at the deep end ahead of Manset would of not only been a big risk but also caused a lot on here to scratch their heads. Forde and Benning took him and player deeper? They did, it didn't help, they were too lightweight and lost every second ball - they didn't run at our full backs either, they hoofed it at their wingers who win it and ran at us centrally. The players DID fight for the ball, I even applauded the lads after the game, not because I am happy with the performance, but because the only positive I took from the game was that the lads never stopped trying despite the dreadful performance and individual efforts - you could see what it meant to the them.

Now I can guarantee someone is reading this thinking I am some blind Deano in enthusiast that will never criticize Deano for his performances, and I am just making excuses for him. If you are, go back and look at my posts, when Deano deserves critiquing for his tactics, I do it. Look at the Colchester match thread for donald sake, I blame him fully for that performance because I believe he deserved it and it was his fault. But what happened last night, I don't think is down to him it is down to the players.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:58 am

funk_hits_the_fan wrote:How to make a match thread embarrassing in two easy steps.

1) refer for supporters as 'customers'
2) suggest the need for a well proportioned black striker/poacher up front

Sorry, but have to use text speak = FFS!!! :lol:



so we are not to see ourselves as customers??? have i missed the free entrance games???

congratulations Bonser must be rubbing his hands because you have just let him off the hook big time he has no customers to keep happy!! and this is why things will never change and we deserve what we get.

some people have spent easily in excess of £500 to see 3 wins - if you are part of the marketing team at Walsall try selling that.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:53 am

Whitters wrote:
JonnyOwen wrote:apologist post

Post of the decade?
Possibly.


Easily pleased as ever whitless

Jonny, just as long as when we win you give all the credit to the players and none to the manager eh!

I could have sworn that Smith signed most of those players that let him down, who listened to his pre-match motivational speech, listened again intently at half time and played in the positions as instructed by the manager.

This is easily on the level of the Merson love in.

Frightening.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:04 am

Cowshed wrote:
funk_hits_the_fan wrote:How to make a match thread embarrassing in two easy steps.

1) refer for supporters as 'customers'
2) suggest the need for a well proportioned black striker/poacher up front

Sorry, but have to use text speak = FFS!!! :lol:



so we are not to see ourselves as customers??? have i missed the free entrance games???

congratulations Bonser must be rubbing his hands because you have just let him off the hook big time he has no customers to keep happy!! and this is why things will never change and we deserve what we get.

some people have spent easily in excess of £500 to see 3 wins - if you are part of the marketing team at Walsall try selling that.


Marketing Team? I think something inside of me just died.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:07 am

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Whitters wrote:
JonnyOwen wrote:apologist post

Post of the decade?
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Easily pleased as ever whitless

Jonny, just as long as when we win you give all the credit to the players and none to the manager eh!

I could have sworn that Smith signed most of those players that let him down, who listened to his pre-match motivational speech, listened again intently at half time and played in the positions as instructed by the manager.

This is easily on the level of the Merson love in.

Frightening.


The only thing that is frightening is your post!

Merson and Smith in the same breath.

Frankly disgusting & clueless drivel.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:52 am

I see adams has stepped down at vale. a team with a better record than us in the last 26 games, changing there manager, heaven forbid we should think about doing the same :roll: :roll:

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:34 pm

funk_hits_the_fan wrote:
saddlerken wrote:
Whitters wrote:
JonnyOwen wrote:apologist post

Post of the decade?
Possibly.


Easily pleased as ever whitless

Jonny, just as long as when we win you give all the credit to the players and none to the manager eh!

I could have sworn that Smith signed most of those players that let him down, who listened to his pre-match motivational speech, listened again intently at half time and played in the positions as instructed by the manager.

This is easily on the level of the Merson love in.

Frightening.


The only thing that is frightening is your post!

Merson and Smith in the same breath.

Frankly disgusting & clueless drivel.


Yes, don't ever compare Smith with a manager that has a better win ratio than him :lol:

Can anyone name the only 2 managers in the last 30 years with a worse record than Smith?

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:39 pm

We can't call for Smith's head. We won a game last weekend. That now resets the "let's give him 10 games" plea. As long as we win at least 1 in 10 plenty of fans will refuse to admit the plainly obvious.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:50 pm

The bottom line is Football, as we know it , is a win games mentality.
Smith is not doing this to a standard that is required and hasn't been for some time now.
He is obviously not up to the job of rectifing this and never will be.
He has done some good things during in time as manager, but his win ratio is piss poor.
You can blame injuries, which most other clubs have during a season.
You can blame lack of funds, which other clubs our size have aswell.
You can blame referees, which 99% of managers do.
But at the end of the day we are not winning enough games and that is what his bread and butter is in this job. The fans are not happy, well some at least apart from the happy clappers who can't see past Smith's halo.
His halo , as i mentioned , is slipping very quickly and i think another resounding defeat on Saturday at Gillingham, which is more than likely, and i think even uncle Jeff will have had enough.
I have backed Smith myself to the hilt but my patience with him is wearing thin now.
I think a change is needed and needed ASAP so that a new bloke has the majority of the rest of the season to stamp his own style on the squad and get us back to that weird feeling of winning more games !

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:51 pm

I understand why people want to give him a chance, he is a decent bloke, we have at times played scintilating football and we are well organised as a club and we play attractive passing football (until the final thrid) However, over the last 26 games we have been very poor. Mickey Adams talked yesterday, on the BBC website, about every manager having their shelf-life. Perhaps Dean has reached the end of his? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29236825

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:06 pm

Sadsfan wrote:
funk_hits_the_fan wrote:
saddlerken wrote:
Whitters wrote:
JonnyOwen wrote:apologist post

Post of the decade?
Possibly.


Easily pleased as ever whitless

Jonny, just as long as when we win you give all the credit to the players and none to the manager eh!

I could have sworn that Smith signed most of those players that let him down, who listened to his pre-match motivational speech, listened again intently at half time and played in the positions as instructed by the manager.

This is easily on the level of the Merson love in.

Frightening.


The only thing that is frightening is your post!

Merson and Smith in the same breath.

Frankly disgusting & clueless drivel.


Yes, don't ever compare Smith with a manager that has a better win ratio than him :lol:

Can anyone name the only 2 managers in the last 30 years with a worse record than Smith?


Statistics are just that. They are 2 dimensional and are very easy to hide behind.

The circumstances were a lot different, Merson took us from a position of strength to a position of weakness. If you don't think Dean Smith has done the exact opposite (up until this Season) then you haven't followed football for long enough!

I think its justified to call for his head after a 0-4 at Rochdale, as I have said, it's fully expected. But do not do the bloke a disservice. Being nice is nothing to do with it, without him we would have spent the last couple of Seasons in League 2 and be a lot poorer - regardless of where the money is.

I have suffered rubbish managers like Barnwell, Hutchings, Merson even Hibbitt - if you think this is as bad you obviously were not there, as I was, all the way through it. Saying Dean Smith is as bad is actually an insult to all of those that did suffer through those 'managers'.

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Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:07 pm

Been going since 1978, so yes - been through all that. How can me saying his record is worst than most managers be an insult? It is a clear fact. And how do you know we would have spent the last couple of season in League 2? We could have got a manager in who did the same as Richard Money. Stick to what has actually, not what might have been.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:25 pm

saddlerken wrote:
Whitters wrote:
JonnyOwen wrote:apologist post

Post of the decade?
Possibly.


Easily pleased as ever whitless

Jonny, just as long as when we win you give all the credit to the players and none to the manager eh!

I could have sworn that Smith signed most of those players that let him down, who listened to his pre-match motivational speech, listened again intently at half time and played in the positions as instructed by the manager.

This is easily on the level of the Merson love in.

Frightening.

Seeing the bigger picture means I am frighteningly in love with our manager?

To ME, I think he should stay. To ME, I think the performance was not down to him but down to the players.

Sacking managers when they are not doing well have been the go to response for hundreds of clubs for many, many years. My question is this? Does it always work?

To ME, I think Deano deserves more games, to ME, I think Deano is the best manager out there right now for us.

But of course using Ken logic, I am over here jerking off to a picture of Smiths face :roll:

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:54 pm

So Sadsfan, you are clearly saying;

"Paul Merson is a better manager than Dean Smith"

You are willing to stand by that statement?

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:36 pm

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Ancient Moaner wrote: I have always been a believer in the need for a well proportioned black (can I say that?) striker/poacher up front (the likes of Akinfenwa) but after last night I have changed my stance completely.


Embarassing comment. You're not only writing off Manset's Walsall career after one game, you're saying that you have "changed your stance completely" on black strikers after one game by Mattieu Manset. I presume you wouldn't want Didier Drogba on loan because he has the same skin colour as Manset? I presume you've changed your stance on people with the same skin colour as O'Connor, who was equally shocking? Are we allowed players with ginger hair after Flanagan's stinker?

Keep your "ancient" racism elsewhere.


Strange that, I'm the one always tagged with the 'Racialist' (with acknowledgement to Nanna off Benidorm) slur...............
Who was it that sat next to the Afro Caribbean and Asian guy for the whole of the second half on Tuesday night, whilst all the rest of you puritanical, self opinionated 'good guys' out there, left a gap around them as if they were contagious! Two great guys who were very knowledgeable about footy, and damn good Walsall fans!

And so, how else would you have someone describe the likes of Akinfenwa & Drogba, pray tell?

Also regards to Mon-Say, you will note, if you read the posts about his signing, I was one of those complaining about the negativity shortly after his arrival! His non contribution on Tuesday was undefendable if he had been sky blue with pink spots, two heads and pulsating numerous appendages with bright lights on them!

So phut off back to your hippie commune and pick on somebody else for a change!

No offence intended, just getting sick of being branded a racist. :wink:

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:59 pm

I am not racist I sat next to an Asian all game :oops:

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:01 pm

JonnyOwen wrote:
saddlerken wrote:
Whitters wrote:
JonnyOwen wrote:apologist post

Post of the decade?
Possibly.


Easily pleased as ever whitless

Jonny, just as long as when we win you give all the credit to the players and none to the manager eh!

I could have sworn that Smith signed most of those players that let him down, who listened to his pre-match motivational speech, listened again intently at half time and played in the positions as instructed by the manager.

This is easily on the level of the Merson love in.

Frightening.

Seeing the bigger picture means I am frighteningly in love with our manager?

To ME, I think he should stay. To ME, I think the performance was not down to him but down to the players.

Sacking managers when they are not doing well have been the go to response for hundreds of clubs for many, many years. My question is this? Does it always work?

To ME, I think Deano deserves more games, to ME, I think Deano is the best manager out there right now for us.

But of course using Ken logic, I am over here jerking off to a picture of Smiths face :roll:


Blaming the players the manager signed, the manager trains each week, picks the tactics & formation for these players. People have got to start to realise smith is to blame at least partly for the poor run we're on

I see a 2nd manager has been sacked today, with a better record than smith. Then again that's just stats

Wonder if you'll be spouting the same drivel when we're doomed to league 2.

I said earlier in the season to give him 10 league games & then see how things are. Well he's got 2 to go & it's not looking promising.

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Re: Rochdale Away

Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:10 pm

paddy wrote:
JonnyOwen wrote:
saddlerken wrote:
Whitters wrote:
JonnyOwen wrote:apologist post

Post of the decade?
Possibly.


Easily pleased as ever whitless

Jonny, just as long as when we win you give all the credit to the players and none to the manager eh!

I could have sworn that Smith signed most of those players that let him down, who listened to his pre-match motivational speech, listened again intently at half time and played in the positions as instructed by the manager.

This is easily on the level of the Merson love in.

Frightening.

Seeing the bigger picture means I am frighteningly in love with our manager?

To ME, I think he should stay. To ME, I think the performance was not down to him but down to the players.

Sacking managers when they are not doing well have been the go to response for hundreds of clubs for many, many years. My question is this? Does it always work?

To ME, I think Deano deserves more games, to ME, I think Deano is the best manager out there right now for us.

But of course using Ken logic, I am over here jerking off to a picture of Smiths face :roll:


Blaming the players the manager signed, the manager trains each week, picks the tactics & formation for these players. People have got to start to realise smith is to blame at least partly for the poor run we're on

I see a 2nd manager has been sacked today, with a better record than smith. Then again that's just stats

Wonder if you'll be spouting the same drivel when we're doomed to league 2.

I said earlier in the season to give him 10 league games & then see how things are. Well he's got 2 to go & it's not looking promising.

So you're telling me that you have never heard of a employee that has let down their boss?

No I fudge won't be spouting the same drivel when we're doomed to League 2, just because I am against it NOW does not fudge mean I will if we lose more games in a similar manner.

But of course, having an opinion of maybe Smith isn't to blame for all of the world's problems on this board means I am delusional, insane, a Smith lover etc...

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