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Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Reports and reaction from the 2012-2013 season as Walsall finished 9th in League 1
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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:38 pm

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ihatethecorps wrote:
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ihatethecorps wrote:Embarrassing


Yes, you are being.


? ?


"Embarrassing"

What is exactly? I'd say this prat on the back row of Block 4 telling Purkiss to **** off back to Hereford qualifies, if he was closer to me I'd have told him where to go the unsupportive prat.


Erm, that was not me if thats what you are suggesting and if it is I would like an apology, I think Purkis is a steady RB but nothing special.

If you need to ask Willenhall Saddler or Jockey then go ask but I can 100% reassure that was not me

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:40 pm

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geoffwhiting wrote:
PINNACLE wrote:
geoffwhiting wrote:
PINNACLE wrote:
Was you born a fool or have you been practising really hard, 45 mins gone out of 46 games to play....idiot !


In the first game, you want a good start to the season to start to build confidence, so you SHOULD play your best team, and that would include Walker in goal, NOT David Grof. I was dismayed to find Walker wasn't in the team, and it seems I was right to be.

Surrey Saddler was watching Walsall FC before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye, so he knows what he's talking about when it comes to the Saddlers, and YOU need to address people with a bit more respect!


I have been watching WFC since 1967 (born in 1956) so that would make him about 67 if he started watching them at the same age as me !
Dont you dare patronise me, its a wonder you havent blocked my answer or deleted it like you normally do.
I also know what i am talking about when it comes to the saddlers and have seen many goalkeepers over the years, good and bad.
Get your facts right, shut up or mind your own business !
Surrey Saddler if you are as old as your mate says then you have seen far worse, give the kid a chance for gods sake.


It's YOU that needs to get your facts straight Pinnacle, Surrey IS significantly older than you, and even significantly older than ME, and I'm 7-8 years older than you.

Another fact you need to get right is that I have NEVER blocked or deleted ANY post of yours, it's not my usual style. You've just accused me of it, and you're just plain WRONG. Other Mods may have done that, and sometimes I don't blame them because you have that certain way about you that invites that action, and I'm absolutely sure that you'll bring that action upon yourself again because you just can't help yourself can you, but I repeat, it has NEVER been me that has blocked or deleted any of your post(s), or banned you for that matter, even though you've invited and received that action in the past too.

I wasn't patronising you, I was simply TELLING you (as a Mod), and now I'm telling you again so you'll realise I mean it, to address people on this message board with a bit more respect, and that was justified by you addressing a very intelligent and articulate gentleman like Surrey Saddler as an idiot, which I assure you and everyone he is not.


Must be just you thats the idiot then


You don't help yourself do you, Pinnacle? And when dishing out disrespectful words like "idiot", maybe those who can't/won't learn should take a look at themselves and consider just who is acting like an idiot!

I've told you twice about respect, now I'm telling you a third time, show respect or take a break.

If it takes a fourth then I might break my duck and consider giving you a few days of UTS holiday. I trust we understand one another.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:40 pm

SadsMad wrote:Don't even start me on the fans that booed at half time, we weren't playing bad in the first half!


That was embarrassing :evil: considering we had played some of the best football for years
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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:40 pm

I never said it was you Corps, dunno where in my post suggests that, Willenhall is in Block 3 anyway, he was to the right of me, balling "fudge off back to Hereford Purkiss" like its something to be proud of.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:44 pm

If evidence was needed, today showed that we desperately need a big(ger) striker up front who can hold up the ball (Mr Smith - please get Jabo). Grigg's confidence is going to be shot if he has to play like this every game. Either starting with a big striker or bringing one on will give us more options and be able to change the game. A succession of titchies coming on is not going to change anything when pitched against defenders like Donny had today.

Thought that Holden put himself about a bit and appeared to be more vocal in organisation than Butler, who didn't look happy at all to me.

Midfield did well and will make lesser teams suffer this season.

A couple of gaffes by Grof made the score line more flattering for Donny. No need to panic yet but, please can we have a Forward who is taller than my 8 year old son.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:44 pm

Darth Vader wrote:I never said it was you Corps, dunno where in my post suggests that, Willenhall is in Block 3 anyway, he was to the right of me, balling "**** off back to Hereford Purkiss" like its something to be proud of.



couple what you put in your post with the 'yes I am being embarrassing' suggested you ment me, yes you said block 4 that didnt click when I sit in block 3 :lol: :oops:

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:46 pm

Powder puff and toothless up front. Grigg is just a passenger, a total waste & and disgrace to give him the number 9 shirt.

Keep with Groff, he just had a bad day.

We couldn't even get the basics right today, rubbish corners, wasteful free kicks. Hard work on the trainng ground required.

Desparately need a big striker or any proven striker in fact, otherwise we're down by Christmas.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:46 pm

Sort it out with Surrey and then do what you like, i am in Spain for the next 2 weeks so fudge you...........is that enough respect ?

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:46 pm

Darth Vader wrote:I never said it was you Corps, dunno where in my post suggests that, Willenhall is in Block 3 anyway, he was to the right of me, balling "**** off back to Hereford Purkiss" like its something to be proud of.


There were a number around me booing at the end and also sarcastically cheering Grof when he caught the ball. Like spoilt kids.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:48 pm

I know. One bad game for Grof and apparently that makes te abuse the fans give him ok. You must sit by me or otherwise there was a lot of people at it. I was disgusted with it to be honest.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:50 pm

PINNACLE wrote:Sort it out with Surrey and then do what you like, i am in Spain for the next 2 weeks so **** you...........is that enough respect ?


Get that sangria down your neck you drunken stayaway. :wink:

Have a good un!!

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:52 pm

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Darth Vader wrote:I never said it was you Corps, dunno where in my post suggests that, Willenhall is in Block 3 anyway, he was to the right of me, balling "**** off back to Hereford Purkiss" like its something to be proud of.


There were a number around me booing at the end and also sarcastically cheering Grof when he caught the ball. Like spoilt kids.


If they put more effort in to backing the lads we might be half decent at home.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:59 pm

Good going forward in the first half, terrible at the back. Bad going forward in the second half, okay defensively. Grof at fault for both the opening goals.

Butler didnt look happy because he was constantly looking over Purkiss and Holden who are both positionally poor. Holden hasn't done anything wrong, but its clear from Rochdale and Chesterfield that when he plays defences concede goals. Purkiss looks woeful. Fine he gets forward, but he's clumsy and gangly, slower than a grandma and floats the ball when he crosses it. Steward is an absolute must - the defence looks worrying poor positionally, organisationally and pace wise in the 1st half. Note to Purkiss - STOP the cross coming in.

Midfield was okay, Flo bless him must wonder what the hell he's doing surrounded by such garbage. Hemmings was the other bright spot, not sure why the tactical genius decided to take him off. Brandy will be out for a while, looked hamstring to me. Featherstone did nothing, takes to long to pass, Chambers did okay but is a bit crabby at times the whole second half was played at pre-season friendly pace when we were 2 and 3 goals down. Paterson is aggrevating, 1 good thing followed by an over shot corner and a trick too many.

I take it camp Grigg that I faced last week have gone silent tonight? Works hard, but so can I. Did he look like scoring? Nope. Did he win a header? Nope. Did he have a shot? Nope. So he must have held the ball up? Oh. Nope. It must be that rigorous pace he has? Erm?! If he's going to play he NEEDS a target man next to him. I seem to remember a certain post earlier in this thread saying we'l get nothing out of Grigg agains 2 6ft7+ centre backs and how I got shot down not long after 'we've played football all pre-season bla bla' - I lost count of the lumps forward Holden and Purkiss played to him. Ask yourself this? If we released Grigg tommorrow - would any league club sign him? Im struggling to think of any, Burton? Accrington? I doubt it.

Doncaster won at a canter, but did they force a save? A good shot and finish and 2 thoroughly avoidable goals. They looked okay, beacuse they had 11 players over 6ft, that were organised - they were not Barcelona in the making. Just goes to show how teams at this level that are built well and are organised can do well easily in this division.

Things that need changing.
- Purkiss needs to head back to Hereford ASAP - beyond garbage.
- I'd be tempted to try Downing and Butler.
- Stewart needs signing.
- Grigg on the bench, he's best their until he has a target man partner.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:59 pm

PINNACLE wrote:
geoffwhiting wrote:
PINNACLE wrote:
Surrey Saddler wrote:David Grof? Is he any good? I think not!!


Was you born a fool or have you been practising really hard, 45 mins gone out of 46 games to play....idiot !


In the first game, you want a good start to the season to start to build confidence, so you SHOULD play your best team, and that would include Walker in goal, NOT David Grof. I was dismayed to find Walker wasn't in the team, and it seems I was right to be.

Surrey Saddler was watching Walsall FC before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye, so he knows what he's talking about when it comes to the Saddlers, and YOU need to address people with a bit more respect!


I have been watching WFC since 1967 (born in 1956) so that would make him about 67 if he started watching them at the same age as me !
Dont you dare patronise me, its a wonder you havent blocked my answer or deleted it like you normally do.
I also know what i am talking about when it comes to the saddlers and have seen many goalkeepers over the years, good and bad.
Get your facts right, shut up or mind your own business !
Surrey Saddler if you are as old as your mate says then you have seen far worse, give the kid a chance for gods sake.



Any chance of you lot starting a different thread under the heading "Annoying Bickering" . Some of us are quite interested in fellow fans opinions and debate on today's game and not this guff.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:02 pm

DonningtonSaddler wrote:
PINNACLE wrote:
geoffwhiting wrote:
PINNACLE wrote:
Surrey Saddler wrote:David Grof? Is he any good? I think not!!


Was you born a fool or have you been practising really hard, 45 mins gone out of 46 games to play....idiot !


In the first game, you want a good start to the season to start to build confidence, so you SHOULD play your best team, and that would include Walker in goal, NOT David Grof. I was dismayed to find Walker wasn't in the team, and it seems I was right to be.

Surrey Saddler was watching Walsall FC before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye, so he knows what he's talking about when it comes to the Saddlers, and YOU need to address people with a bit more respect!


I have been watching WFC since 1967 (born in 1956) so that would make him about 67 if he started watching them at the same age as me !
Dont you dare patronise me, its a wonder you havent blocked my answer or deleted it like you normally do.
I also know what i am talking about when it comes to the saddlers and have seen many goalkeepers over the years, good and bad.
Get your facts right, shut up or mind your own business !
Surrey Saddler if you are as old as your mate says then you have seen far worse, give the kid a chance for gods sake.



Any chance of you lot starting a different thread under the heading "Annoying Bickering" . Some of us are quite interested in fellow fans opinions and debate on today's game and not this guff.


Agreed and the joke is non of them went today!!!

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:06 pm

Can't understand why people think that Doncaster aren't a good side. I imagine that they will be much closer to the top of the league than the bottom come the end of the season.

In my view, Pinnacle's love child was at fault for all 3 goals today. Both the second and third were down to poor positioning, whereas the first he should hung onto the scuffed shot. No problem, it happens and he is learning, but let's not get all doom and gloom about it, if we continue to play football like that every week, we'll be OK.

We do need some extra firepower up front but overall, I think we have the makings of a decent side. As others have pointed out, Grigg will struggle if played in that way, however, I have no complaints about his workrate today, or some of his play.

Defensively, I thought that Butler had one of his poorest games for the club.

In summary, I thought that there were plenty of positives today, including value for money, particularly considering the distance I have to travel to attend. The obvious downside was the result.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:06 pm

I don't really know what to make of this afternoon's performance. We kept the ball as well as we have done for years, but really lacked any potency up front, which is proving to be our achilles heel at the moment. Whilst I thought our midfield gave theirs the runaround for large spells in the game, their back four and front two were all about 6' 2" or above, which made it look like men against boys at both ends of the pitch on ocassions.

Their first goal was unlucky. Regardless of the apparent divide in opinions on Grof, I'm sure we'd all agree he'll hold onto crosses like that nine times out of ten. Spilling a cross to the feet of a striker after six minutes really gave us a mountain to climb as they hadn't started playing before that point.

Taking a look at the second goal, I'm not sure Grof can carry much blame. Football managers, coaches and players would all say that you're usually quite happy to let a player try his luck from the halfway line. Unfortunately for us, Cotterill executed his effort perfectly, and the deficit was doubled.

It's very easy to blame Grof for both goals, but let's also take a look at who failed to block the cross for the first goal and who should have been tighter to Cotterill for the second.

Yes, we could have scored when that rocket from Hemmings was well blocked by a defender who probably knew little about it. Yes, we could have scored again when Paterson found space to have a good volley well blocked again. But ultimately, we didn't create enough genuine chances to expect to get something from that game. That said, we did everything but create chances as we saw a lot of the ball and generally used it quite well. As per last week, I thought Featherstone looked very good, as did Chambers, Cuvelier and Hemmings. Paterson's the weak link in that he never delivers any end product for all his pace and ability, and Grigg just looked like a young striker set to have his confidence further unnecessarily dented by several games of struggle playing up front on his own.

What summed things up for me was that whilst Grigg really struggled against the two monsters they had at centre half, the one time they played off Chris Brown to good effect, they knocked it to his feet, he held it up really well, laid it off to Bennett, who curled a fine effort past Grof. That's exactly why we need a striker with a bit of muscle and a bit of a presence - they not only carry a bit of a goal threat themselves, but also give those around them (in our case, Cuvelier, Hemmings and Paterson) a better chance to score goals.

Having seen their side and the way they lined up today, I reckon Doncaster will probably end up in the top six. Where we end up will, I suspect, very much depend on who Dean Smith brings in over the next two weeks. As things stand, he risks seeing all his hard work in assembling a really good, young, footballing side completely wasted.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:08 pm

IMO, i thought we played quite well today, kept the ball nicely but lacked a final bit of incisiveness. Grof at fault for first two but to suggest we should drop him is ridiculous. Thought our midfield looked tidy (chambers MOTM) and think the 4-2-3-1 formation is definitely the way forward this season. Don't think we played any worse than last saturday v brentford but that's how football goes sometimes.

Still believe we need a striker, or maybe try starting with brandy. Don't necessarily agree we need a battering ram up front, just someone who can threaten a bit more in the final third.

Am I the only one that thinks holden looks a bit suspect? His positioning seems poor to me and from watching a few pre season games I think downing may be a better option but it is only early days

The worst thing about today was some of the fans. Booing at the end of both the first half and at ft was a joke. Also what annoys me is a large section of fans groaning when we pass the ball backwards - how are we ever going to improve our style of football if those idiots keep doing that. I would much rather that than the hoof ball tactics employed over the previous four years!

If we play like we did today, I personally think we will improve on last season, its a shame a few fans can't look past the result.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:14 pm

Ben Purkiss, he's no Lee Beevers.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:17 pm

Wacka in

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:19 pm

PINNACLE wrote:Sort it out with Surrey and then do what you like, i am in Spain for the next 2 weeks so **** you...........is that enough respect ?


Pinnacle....I am not bothered that you called me an idiot. I have been called worse. Enjoy yourself in Spain.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:20 pm

walsallfcconnor wrote:Wacka in


Agree

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:22 pm

chestersaddler wrote:Can't understand why people think that Doncaster aren't a good side. I imagine that they will be much closer to the top of the league than the bottom come the end of the season.

In my view, Pinnacle's love child was at fault for all 3 goals today. Both the second and third were down to poor positioning, whereas the first he should hung onto the scuffed shot. No problem, it happens and he is learning, but let's not get all doom and gloom about it, if we continue to play football like that every week, we'll be OK.

We do need some extra firepower up front but overall, I think we have the makings of a decent side. As others have pointed out, Grigg will struggle if played in that way, however, I have no complaints about his workrate today, or some of his play.

Defensively, I thought that Butler had one of his poorest games for the club.

In summary, I thought that there were plenty of positives today, including value for money, particularly considering the distance I have to travel to attend. The obvious downside was the result.


He is Walsalls No1 keeper so that is good enough for me, surely all you other WFC fans share that view

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:32 pm

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walsallfcconnor wrote:Wacka in


Agree


On a one game basis? Top marks there son.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:38 pm

Just seen the goals on SSN, the second was a beauty really. However the first was woeful, and the third was dire. He's all over the place.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:39 pm

Darth Vader wrote:
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walsallfcconnor wrote:Wacka in


Agree


On a one game basis? Top marks there son.


Amazing how they forget about Grof's saves only 7 days ago :roll:

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:42 pm

Grigg has had 30+ bad games yet we are not allowed to say a bad word against him, Grof has 1 bad game and its a different story, pathetic.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:47 pm

Wacka has lost some weight though, absolutely sexy man.

I would still play Grof even though he was gash today.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:49 pm

Possession: Walsall 60% - 40% Doncaster
Shots: Walsall 8 - 7 Doncaster
On target: Walsall 4 - 4 Doncaster
Corners: Walsall 9 - 3 Doncaster
Fouls: Walsall 5 - 5 Doncaster

What's that cliché again? The stats don't lie? Those stats tell me we need a striker.

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Re: Doncaster Rovers (H) - 18/08/12 League 1

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:52 pm

Keep Grof in goal for next few games, then review it then .

As others of said we need a goal poacher, Flo was on a different wave length to most of the players today.

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