saddlerken wrote:What happened to wingers getting to the byline and whipping cross's in?
when did we last have someone capable of getting on the end of a cross if they did?
saddlerken wrote:What happened to wingers getting to the byline and whipping cross's in?
longdogs wrote:saddlerken wrote:What happened to wingers getting to the byline and whipping cross's in?
when did we last have someone capable of getting on the end of a cross if they did?
saddlerken wrote:It's a great shame that the level of expectation of the average Walsall fan is now a relegation battle and satisfaction of a 20th place finish
#demoralising
saddlerken wrote:I should be clearer, most managers set up with a 4 man midfield, it's all they know really, but wide men should go forward as well as back up the full backs. I prefer our full backs to back up our wingers who in turn should be able to cross.
Taundry was our right winger yesterday and Nicholls on the left, it doesn't get worse than that in terms of quality. If either one of them is keeping Hurst out then Hurst should consider retirement from professional football.
PS, Sadler would be better on the wing than those pair.
What happened to wingers getting to the byline and whipping cross's in? If the manager can't/won't bring in someone who can then at least get them on the training ground attempting 1-2's/1 touch football/getting it wide quickly/stretching the opposition/overlapping full backs etc etc. Im sick of seeing players out of position. There can be no excuses.
Any good attacking play this season is because of Ledesma or Flo and a month long period a few weeks back is the only reason we are still a division 3 side
PT wrote:saddlerken wrote:I should be clearer, most managers set up with a 4 man midfield, it's all they know really, but wide men should go forward as well as back up the full backs. I prefer our full backs to back up our wingers who in turn should be able to cross.
Taundry was our right winger yesterday and Nicholls on the left, it doesn't get worse than that in terms of quality. If either one of them is keeping Hurst out then Hurst should consider retirement from professional football.
PS, Sadler would be better on the wing than those pair.
What happened to wingers getting to the byline and whipping cross's in? If the manager can't/won't bring in someone who can then at least get them on the training ground attempting 1-2's/1 touch football/getting it wide quickly/stretching the opposition/overlapping full backs etc etc. Im sick of seeing players out of position. There can be no excuses.
Any good attacking play this season is because of Ledesma or Flo and a month long period a few weeks back is the only reason we are still a division 3 side
If you're talking personnel, I agree. Taundry isn't a winger and should be in the side as right-back or not at all. Nicholls isn't consistent enough, Hurst isn't good enough and Gnapka was a disaster. I think Patterson offers some hope, but the jury is still out. So, i think Dean would love to have wingers with flair who could get to the by-line and whip in wicked crosses, but I think it comes down to budget. Does he divert money away from the spine of the team to liven up the wings? If he does do that we might see some more exciting play but I'd also wager we'd lose games by more than the maximum two goal margin we've seen this season.
I think his priority will be central midfield and a centre-foward in the summer with fingers crossed that Patterson improves and yes, possibly that Nicholls forgets his own whinging about centre-forward being his natural position and gets on with developing himself into a more consistent winger. Not ideal, but when only around 4,000 Walsall fans could bother their backsides for the most important game of the season, it is unfortunately the reality that any Walsall manager will have to deal with.
PT wrote:Not ideal, but when only around 4,000 Walsall fans could bother their backsides for the most important game of the season, it is unfortunately the reality that any Walsall manager will have to deal with.
saddlerken wrote:longdogs wrote:saddlerken wrote:What happened to wingers getting to the byline and whipping cross's in?
when did we last have someone capable of getting on the end of a cross if they did?
Well, wouldn't it be nice for our chance starved forwards such a luxury!
One of the reasons I haven't joined in on the hammering of Grigg on the terraces is because how can any forward at our club be judged with such a meagre supply?
Guest wrote:Can't we just savour a day when the footballing gods conspired to keep us up, before predicting doom and gloom for next season?!
Guest wrote:Can't we just savour a day when the footballing gods conspired to keep us up, before predicting doom and gloom for next season?!
Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
bangsection wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
"Adulation" is the wrong word. So is "failure".
Saarland Saddler wrote:bangsection wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
"Adulation" is the wrong word. So is "failure".
Well Mr Bang, adulation means excessive praise or flattery and failure means a lack of success.... So...
Think I chose very well! :wink: :mrgreen:
Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
Registered Saddler wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:bangsection wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
"Adulation" is the wrong word. So is "failure".
Well Mr Bang, adulation means excessive praise or flattery and failure means a lack of success.... So...
Think I chose very well! :wink: :mrgreen:
If failure means a (total) lack of success, then define success? Would defeat in the play-off final be success? Why? Which league position is automatically defined 'a success'? What happens if you miss that league place by one point.. is that failure? Are there degrees of failure?
This reductionist reasoning is totally frustrating. It seems that fans can't ever admit that something is just OK, players either have to be 'a genius' 'the best player in 10 years' (Ledesma) or 'terrible' 'pub footballer' (Nicholls). Surely somewhere in between is the more sensible answer? My guess is that if we'd finished 11th this season then the vast majority of fans would be logical enough to realise that we'd made decent progression. How far have we missed that mark by? Three wins. 9 more points this season and most people would be happy. That's not the worst season in living memory, it's a 4 or 5/10. Below par, not to be repeated, but with the possibility of improvement. I'm sorry that this doesn't give people the opportunity to have a grand moan, and oh how Walsall fans love a good moan, but it seems to me to be a more accurate reflection of the circumstances.
Saarland Saddler wrote:bangsection wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
"Adulation" is the wrong word. So is "failure".
Well Mr Bang, adulation means excessive praise or flattery and failure means a lack of success.... So...
Think I chose very well! :wink: :mrgreen:
Neil Ravenscroft wrote:Registered Saddler wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:bangsection wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
"Adulation" is the wrong word. So is "failure".
Well Mr Bang, adulation means excessive praise or flattery and failure means a lack of success.... So...
Think I chose very well! :wink: :mrgreen:
If failure means a (total) lack of success, then define success? Would defeat in the play-off final be success? Why? Which league position is automatically defined 'a success'? What happens if you miss that league place by one point.. is that failure? Are there degrees of failure?
This reductionist reasoning is totally frustrating. It seems that fans can't ever admit that something is just OK, players either have to be 'a genius' 'the best player in 10 years' (Ledesma) or 'terrible' 'pub footballer' (Nicholls). Surely somewhere in between is the more sensible answer? My guess is that if we'd finished 11th this season then the vast majority of fans would be logical enough to realise that we'd made decent progression. How far have we missed that mark by? Three wins. 9 more points this season and most people would be happy. That's not the worst season in living memory, it's a 4 or 5/10. Below par, not to be repeated, but with the possibility of improvement. I'm sorry that this doesn't give people the opportunity to have a grand moan, and oh how Walsall fans love a good moan, but it seems to me to be a more accurate reflection of the circumstances.
Spot on - the dividing line between success and failure is tiny. We are just three wins worse off than Hartlepool in 11th
BarryWindham wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
if staying up is failure how would you define relegation
SWS1 wrote:BarryWindham wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
if staying up is failure how would you define relegation
Success and failure are relative to (inter alia) your ambitions and aims. If your aim is staying up and you do, that's success. If your aim is the playoffs but you miss out, that's failure.
I leave UTSers to come up with their own aims for the club (and to speculate on the likely aims of the players, management and "owners" :? ).
Personally, I feel that, at a minimum, we should be aiming at the playoffs every season, so we ain't had a lot of success recently, but I still "celebrated" our "achievement" at staying up as I was pleased and relieved, delighted, even. However, at the same time I still felt disappointed, overall, at our season and at the anxiety I've been put through (= being a Walsall supporter!!)
Therefore: :D :(
Blazing_Saddler wrote:mmm, 3 wins is an awful lot for a side that only won 9 games out of 45.
bangsection wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:bangsection wrote:Saarland Saddler wrote:I don't get the adulation for failure.
"Adulation" is the wrong word. So is "failure".
Well Mr Bang, adulation means excessive praise or flattery and failure means a lack of success.... So...
Think I chose very well! :wink: :mrgreen:
Adulation relates to people. So we must infer that you're referring to posters lavishly praising Dean Smith or the players. Haven't seen a lot of that on here to be honest. Just people glad we'll be playing in Division 3 rather than Division 4 next season.
If you didn't mean this then I'm afraid you used the wrong word!
As for "failure", I think Reg summed it up quite nicely.
Saarland Saddler wrote:
I did mean that mate - you should have seen twitter! My gosh! Cringe!
RT bangsection wrote:Still, Deen Smith is da best Walsall manger eva, FACT! We r stayin up! LOL.
Welsh_Saddler wrote:Wycombe appear to have blown up big time..... now losing 3-4 in injury time :lol: :lol: :lol:
Willenhall Saddler wrote:Welsh_Saddler wrote:Wycombe appear to have blown up big time..... now losing 3-4 in injury time :lol: :lol: :lol:
After about a thousand late goals scored by Wycombe it was so nice to see a side (for once) score a late goal AGAINST them to condemn them to the drop.How does that feel Wycombe?????? :lol:
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