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Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:23 pm

That was not a red. The 'Pool player was already sitting on his ar$e before Butler made any contact.

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:27 pm

Having just seen the sending off incident on TFLS it seems clear to me that neither player should have been sent off. There was nothing particularly dangerous about the tackles, Butler in particular seemed to be trying to avoid making contact with the other player..

The penalty was weird, but strictly speaking the referee was right by the letter of the law. If he thought the defender was dangerous in his high kick and the kick makes contact with an opponent, even accidentally, then he cannot give an indirect free kick.

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:37 am

I thoroughly enjoyed that game. I think we can be very pleased with the way we played and take a lot of positives from it. I think we were the better team for most of the game and passed it around nicely. My only concern is where the goals are going to come from. We passed it around very nicely and there was brilliant link up between Gnapka, Hurst, Grigg and Macken at times but without much cutting edge. Hopefully that will develop as the season progresses.

I need to see a replay of the red cards but I thought their player went in the worst. My initial reaction was that if the ref thought that they had both gone in dangerously I couldn't have any complaints. The sending offs made it into a pretty open end to end game. We played well and defended brilliantly when we came under inevitable pressure from the home team. Lancashire was superb and showed to me again why he is every bit as important as Butler. He will have to play another stormer on Tuesday if we're to get anything. I was impressed with Gnapka and Hurst who both played well and I'm looking forward to seeing more of. Taundry was awesome again and looks a completely different player from last season and Peterlin did pretty well filling in for Chambers despite giving the ball away a couple of times.

As I said in the main forum, my main concern is the way the players are reacting to decisions. Macken threw the ball to the ground, shoved their player and was very confrontational to the ref. He may have been in the right but he was obviously going to get at least a yellow card due to his reactions. A similar thing could be said of Walker against Boro when he talked his way into the book. These are our senior players and they seem to set the precedent for others to do the same when they react so poorly. The referee was utter rubbish like he was against Boro but we're doing ourselves no favours acting in the way we are as we are going to pick up so many bookings this season if we keep it up. I think we have a decent side and can do well but we won't have a chance to if we can't play our first 11 because of suspensions. I hope Deano has a look at this and sorts it out.

Overall a good result and lots of positives to take into the game on Tuesday. UTS!

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:21 am

priestley_saddler wrote:Just got back, what a thoroughly bizarre match.

We actually got a penalty, which came as such a shock that nobody quite knew what to do "What theif hock is one of these?" was the immediate chant. Macken remembered how to take them, and stroked it in sending the keeper the wrong way.

Contrary to what Sky reported, their goalkeeper didn't score the equaliser, but only because their striker goal snatched it on the line. Long clearance, Butler let it go over his head to go to Wacka, who was deceived by the combination of wind and bounce, was caught in no mans land as it drifted in.

Then the sendings off. Butler had got his back to us when he went in for the tackle, he may have gone in two footed but my initial reaction was that he hadn't. Their player definitely did though, and then proceeded to "do a Chambers" and role around the floor in the hope his opponent would get sent off too. Only unfortunately for us, this time it worked and Butler was dismissed. Whether I was just too dumbstruck reacting to the Butler the decison or what, but I didn't see a red card brandished to their player. I saw him hobble off and expected him to come sprinting back on as soon as he realised his plan had worked, but he didn't and he went off down the tunnel too. Hopefully Butler punched him when they were out of view. Our reaction was that Butler must have been sent off for something he said, but at the start of the second half when the linesman comes down to check if there are any holes in the net, he answered a fans "What was the red card for linesman?" query by saying "Serious foul play".

Yet again I'm a bit concerned by Deano's insistence that we will appeal this. I haven't seen it again yet, but surely if he went for a two footed tackle there are no grounds to appeal anyway. But this brings me to a slightly bigger issue. His post match comments are that he doesn't believe either player deserved to go. Now their player definitely went in two footed. And whether Deano thinks two footed tackles deserve a straight red or not, that's irrelevant. The fact is, they are. So it needs to be drummed into the players heads not to do it. Lack of discipline is gonna cost us, I'm sure Mackens booking was for dissent.

Walker - Obvious error for the goal, but made up for it with a cracking stop 10 minutes from the end. Commanded his box as well as always and restored the confidence in his defence.
Westlake - Has started the season well, and adapted well when we changed from a back four to a back three.
Sadler - See Westlake
Lancashire - MOTM. Marshalled the defence superbly after Butler's dismissal and really stepped up to the plate in the absence of his captain.
Butler - Not one of his better days. Was at fault with Wacka for the goal and was then harshly dismissed (I might revise this view after watching TFLS)
Taundry - Kept up his impressive early season form, ran Lancashire close for MOTM.
Peterlin - Slotted in well to the point we didn't really miss Chambers, but doesn't use the ball as well. Still a steady full debut for the American.
Hurst - Really hard working for a winger. However, I don't think he's a left winger as he doesn't seem to have a left foot. Would like to see him tried on the other side.
Gnakpa - Everytime he gets the ball I expect him to do something with it, because he does have the ability. However, it just hasn't quite fell for him yet, a bit like his shot that cleared the stand.
Macken - Is 33 next month and by now should have enough experience to know you're only asking for trouble when you're penalised for a foul so respond by picking it up and hurling it at the ground. Was naturally booked. Took his penalty well and looks our most dangerous player.
Grigg - Had a couple of chances second half. Needs a goal to kick start his season.

Subs

Nicholls - Ran around chasing balls he was never gonna catch.
Jarvis - Didn't run around chasing balls he would have caught if he'd have bothered to try. I'm sure MMF will appreciate me pointing out that he now falls into that rare breed. A white Walsall player who is a lazy so and so.
Beevers - Came on in midfield, didn't have time to make an impact.


You should get a job doing the match reports for UTS, always a good read.

Your comment about Jarvis made me laugh. Being lazy and sh*t isn't a good combination as a rule :D I'm sure he is good at something, but football it isn't.

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:34 pm

This was well worth 13 quid (cheaper than at the Banks's):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-Ci97NiJE[/youtube]

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:39 pm

Guest wrote:This was well worth 13 quid (cheaper than at the Banks's):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-Ci97NiJE[/youtube]


So that's where the song, far away came from :D

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:02 pm

Whats the point of an appeal we are pathetic old Walsall. Theyll put it straight in the bin!

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:57 pm

There are a fair few people slating Macken for getting himself booked for dissent. In fairness to him though, if referees make stupid decisions and show levels of inadequacy on the pitch, frustration will come into play.
I find it easier to accept that one of our players has been booked in those circumstances, than sent off in the manner Chambers did on Tuesday. That was nothing but pure stupidity.

It's interesting that we've now appealed Butler's red card but Hartlepool have left things alone. That could help our case.

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:36 pm

WFC_Rob wrote:There are a fair few people slating Macken for getting himself booked for dissent. In fairness to him though, if referees make stupid decisions and show levels of inadequacy on the pitch, frustration will come into play.
I find it easier to accept that one of our players has been booked in those circumstances, than sent off in the manner Chambers did on Tuesday. That was nothing but pure stupidity.

It's interesting that we've now appealed Butler's red card but Hartlepool have left things alone. That could help our case.


The highlights on Saddlers World show that Macken did a bad foul, which could have been enough to earn a booking, but threw the ball away before he could be booked for it; if anything he committed two yellow card offences within a few seconds.

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:31 pm

Blazing_Saddler wrote:
Guest wrote:This was well worth 13 quid (cheaper than at the Banks's):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-Ci97NiJE[/youtube]


So that's where the song, far away came from :D


C'mon, I was 5,999 miles closer to the action than I usually am. It was just that last mile. Not even the zoom could help ...

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:24 am

I am staggered at how many of you at the game thought it was a deserved red. Funny how we see things innit?

I am also slighty surprised you didnt see the red card shown for Luscombe. He waved it at him as he started to walk off the pitch.

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Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:09 pm

Hartofthepool wrote:I am staggered at how many of you at the game thought it was a deserved red. Funny how we see things innit?

I am also slighty surprised you didnt see the red card shown for Luscombe. He waved it at him as he started to walk off the pitch.


To be fair, many of us had suffered temporary blindness/memory loss after the trauma of being charged £25 to get into Victoria Park.

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Re: Hartlepool United (A) League 1 Saturday 13/8/11.

Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:31 pm

bangsection wrote:
Hartofthepool wrote:I am staggered at how many of you at the game thought it was a deserved red. Funny how we see things innit?

I am also slighty surprised you didnt see the red card shown for Luscombe. He waved it at him as he started to walk off the pitch.


To be fair, many of us had suffered temporary blindness/memory loss after the trauma of being charged £25 to get into Victoria Park.


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