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Huddersfield Town (A) League 1 Saturday 6/12/08.

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Re: Huddersfield Town (A) League 1 Saturday 6/12/08.

Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:11 pm

Jockey wrote:what a jolly well idiot. What the hell did Boertein and Reich do wrong last week to warrant being dropped today??

Like people said last week, these two played perfectly well down the left.

The inconsistency isnt from the players, its from the manager. He should have kept the same team and IMHO we would have got the same result. If there was a time when we saw Muddle was out of his depth, its now.

Get out of this club.


Crikey, Jockey, that's a bit strong, mate. :mrgreen:

Really glad, now, that I had to work today and couldn't make the trip to Huddersfield. I would have been well ****** off with that team selection - Or is just me that thinks a (good) specialist left-back is far better than a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none, type of player. Bet he was really useful for ALL THOSE corners we got :roll: .

I presume that Taundry would have been found a place in the starting eleven, too if he hadn't been injured.

And then to take off your captain and defensive midfielder and replace him with an attacking, wide midfield player, in injury time, just beggars belief.

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Re: Huddersfield Town (A) League 1 Saturday 6/12/08.

Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:18 pm

Disappointing. Really disappointing.

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Re: Huddersfield Town (A) League 1 Saturday 6/12/08.

Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:19 pm

Just got back from the match and I am very very depressed.

1st half we were appalling. We did nothing but hoof it forward to 2 big men up front with no real plan, never kept the ball at all and completely over run in midfield. They deserved to take the lead but from where I was sitting, their penalty was a joke. One of the worst I think I've seen against us for years. I genuinely thought only Manchester United got decisions like that. Weston was no where near their player. In fact, I reckon Weston had been being fouled for a good 5 seconds prior to the Huddersfield player hitting the floor.

2nd half was a small improvement. Mullen moved Ricketts into midfield and put Nicholls up front with Deeney and Jabo switching to a 4-3-3 formation. I suppose you could argue it worked as we did take the lead quite early into the second half. Wait till you see that on the tele. That was a great goal. The boy seems to be finding some form. We did at least start to play it on the floor. How Jabo missed his chance I will never know. He was as good as one on one and didn't even test the keeper. Their winner was a sucker punch, I thought on the balance of play we deserved a point. I couldn't believe how we just seemingly let their front two skip through our back four! Rubbish, clueless defending.

I blame todays result on Mullen. Changing a winning side. Dropping a LEFT BACK from a LEFT BACK POSITION in place of a MAKE SHIFT RIGHT BACK/RIGHT WINGER/TURNSTYLE OPERATOR sums it all up for me. The man simply doesn't have a clue. I will never know how he can justify playing Troy Deeny in front of Marco Reich! What is he seeing? Troy Deeney will never ever in a million years be a footballer.

A few things of noticed recently.....

What has everyone got against Ricketts? I keep hearing he’s "lazy" and "useless" from certain sections of the crowd every week. What are you people smoking? I'd have 11 Ricketts' on the pitch if I could. He bossed the midfield in the second half today and he was still getting criticism. Idiots.

I've tried my best but I can't see what Troy Deeney has that I don't. I run around like a headless chicken yet I didn't get handed a professional contract. I'm sorry Troy but I think you'll have to get back to brick laying.

Good evening

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Re: Huddersfield Town (A) League 1 Saturday 6/12/08.

Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:21 pm

Horozontal Harry wrote:“I am not the type of manager who likes to change things for the sake of it, but every time I have been forced to do a lot of things.”

A direct quote from our manager last Tuesday in the Express and Star.

So Jimmy, what "forced" you to change the back four and bring Palmer back in today? Simple question.


My first thoughts when I saw the team sheet too, HH.

That stat. from stig is quite shocking (six goals conceded in the last few minutes from the last seven games). Something -- concentration, fitness, whatever, certainly ain't right for that to become a regular 'feature' of our season. I await someone (come on Bernie, where are you?) to tell us how many points we would have had if games were played over 85, rather than 90 minutes. :(

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Re: Huddersfield Town (A) League 1 Saturday 6/12/08.

Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:23 pm

Percie wrote:I blame todays result on Mullen. Changing a winning side. Dropping a LEFT BACK from a LEFT BACK POSITION in place of a MAKE SHIFT RIGHT BACK/RIGHT WINGER/TURNSTYLE OPERATOR sums it all up for me. The man simply doesn't have a clue. I will never know how he can justify playing Troy Deeny in front of Marco Reich! What is he seeing? Troy Deeney will never ever in a million years be a footballer.


Cheers for the report Percie. I think many of us feared that tonight we may be reading a paragraph like the one you'd just written.

:( and :evil:

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Re: Huddersfield Town (A) League 1 Saturday 6/12/08.

Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:29 pm

Sorry for posting on a match thread, as I don't go to games and have only a passing interest in the meaningless drivel that masquerades as football at Walsall these days.

However, having visited to see what transpired this afternoon I noticed some conjecture as to why Richard Money left Walsall. Just to inform that there was an extensive interview with DD a few weeks ago in the Newcastle Evening Chronic(le) where he said in response to a direct question regarding his reason for leaving Walsall .......he left because he didn't feel his ambitions for the football club were matched by those running the club.

Sorry I don't have a link for those that require watertight, courtroom style proof of anything that might cast aspurtions upon the wonderfulness of the Bonser regime. However what I have posted here is entirely 100% acurate, so if anone at Walsall FC wants to sue me I'm sure I can get hold of back copy of the Chrony for my five minutes in court.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:35 pm

I'm sure that Money says that. He made it abundantly clear at the time that he wanted people to think that was why he was leaving. It doesn't mean it's true though - sometimes people aren't 100% honest about their motivations. I'm sure if we asked Bonser then he'd say his ambitions did match RM's - but you'd choose not to believe him.

And even if he genuinely though that (which I doubt), it doesn't mean that his impression was necessarily correct or his ambitions were realistic (and I'm not talking about play-offs there, I'm talking about wanting things like serious transfer money).

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:45 pm

An article in the Huddersfield programme today begins: "A defining feature of a team low on confidence or self-belief is the way they regularly concede late goals".

Turns out they've conceded ten goals in the last ten minutes of games this season. Luckily for Huddersfield they were playing a team who are even shorter on self-belief than they are.

The less said about the first half the better. We were dreadful, Huddersfield were little better. When Danny Cadamateri (who now appears to be modeling himself on Terry Phelan) is your best player you've really got to worry. Was it a penalty? I'd say 50/50. A poor clearance from Gilmartin came straight back and as Weston struggled to keep up with Cadamarteri the former Premier League star (sic) took a tumble as they jostled for the ball near the byline. Our best chance of the first half was a Palmer free kick that drifted a few metres wide of the post. No other shots, on target or otherwise as far as I can recall.

The second half saw a marked change as Ricketts - fed up with having balls constantly lumped up to him? - dropped deeper and began to link the play up a little better. Cue Nicholls' goal - a clear GOTS candidate, volleyed in to the top corner from all of 25 yards. Suddenly we were on top. Ricketts played the ball of the match through to Jabo who shot tamely wide with only the keeper to beat - the miss compounded by the fact that Nicholls was completely unmarked to his left. Deeney (lightweight and ineffectual all match) was crowded out a couple of times in good positions and Huddersfield started to get rattled - a particularly nasty challenge on Roberts by Cadamarteri saw him helped off the field to be replaced by Boertien. Both teams were looking for a winner and with time running out Huddersfield started to dominate. Some dogged defending seemed to have earned us at least a point but then we switched off from a throw in (delayed for Reich to come on for his obligatory two minutes) and the ball somehow looped over our back four for the Huddersfield player to finish unchallenged.

On the basis of our second half showing we deserved at least a point and really could have won with cooler finishing. It's not hard to see why Huddersfield have such a poor home record - they were a very, very average side who barely deserve the excellent support they got from their fans, annoying drummers included. 223 Walsall fans couldn't really compete.

A word about individual players. Gilmartin's poor kicking was a feature all game - couple of decent saves second half. Hughes was tidy and used the ball well. Deeney, I'm afraid, was very poor. Bradley was anonymous. Ricketts had a very good game but it's worrying that he's our best striker and our most creative midfielder. Jabo was rather quiet and missed the chance of the game. Palmer, as we all know, is a midfielder playing at left back. Even his dead ball delivery (presumably his biggest asset) was poor today. I'd give MOTM to Gerrard. I really fear for us when he goes in January.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:52 pm

Plastic Hawk wrote:I'm sure that Money says that. He made it abundantly clear at the time that he wanted people to think that was why he was leaving. It doesn't mean it's true though - sometimes people aren't 100% honest about their motivations. I'm sure if we asked Bonser then he'd say his ambitions did match RM's - but you'd choose not to believe him.

And even if he genuinely though that (which I doubt), it doesn't mean that his impression was necessarily correct or his ambitions were realistic (and I'm not talking about play-offs there, I'm talking about wanting things like serious transfer money).


Waters suitably muddied PH, by a post that upon my 12th reading still doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

Still that's your perogative. I like to think that if Jb had backed our proven successful manager with some moderate funds (ie the signing of Ricketts or a quality equivalent, and the replacement of Dann) we would have fought to retain a play-off place last season, retained our decent manager, retained the 30% of regular fans we have subsequently lost, and our pride - still go on arguing - you have been proved so wrong its beyond farcical and the fact that you continue to argue only proves that on UTS - the media that JB would love to see shut down - even the most laughable corner can continue to be argued.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:19 pm

here goes... i have not said it yet an i was one of the people who said give him until christmas but this bloke has to go he is a muppet he has the tactical knowledge of phil mitchell in an arm wrestling competition

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:24 pm

1st half abysmal, HOOF ball the only tactic, 2nd half an improvement, cracking goal from young Alex and Jabo really should have put away a 1 on 1. Thought we deserved a draw.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:37 pm

Geordiesaddler wrote:Sorry for posting on a match thread, as I don't go to games and have only a passing interest in the meaningless drivel that masquerades as football at Walsall these days.

However, having visited to see what transpired this afternoon I noticed some conjecture as to why Richard Money left Walsall. Just to inform that there was an extensive interview with DD a few weeks ago in the Newcastle Evening Chronic(le) where he said in response to a direct question regarding his reason for leaving Walsall .......he left because he didn't feel his ambitions for the football club were matched by those running the club.

Sorry I don't have a link for those that require watertight, courtroom style proof of anything that might cast aspurtions upon the wonderfulness of the Bonser regime. However what I have posted here is entirely 100% acurate, so if anone at Walsall FC wants to sue me I'm sure I can get hold of back copy of the Chrony for my five minutes in court.

Geordie whats the point of that post?
Your only quoting what most of us worked out ourselfs the day he quit. But thanks for confirming the obvious.
On to the game, went to today. Thats it to depressed to make any comment on the game.
Ok just one comment we were rubbish 1st half, slightly less rubbish second. Nice ground though just a shame so few of us make the effort.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:51 pm

Graydon48 wrote:Ok just one comment we were rubbish 1st half, slightly less rubbish second. Nice ground though just a shame so few of us make the effort.


Well I kinda think your first point answers the second.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:08 pm

Graydon48 wrote:
Geordiesaddler wrote:Sorry for posting on a match thread, as I don't go to games and have only a passing interest in the meaningless drivel that masquerades as football at Walsall these days.

However, having visited to see what transpired this afternoon I noticed some conjecture as to why Richard Money left Walsall. Just to inform that there was an extensive interview with DD a few weeks ago in the Newcastle Evening Chronic(le) where he said in response to a direct question regarding his reason for leaving Walsall .......he left because he didn't feel his ambitions for the football club were matched by those running the club.

Sorry I don't have a link for those that require watertight, courtroom style proof of anything that might cast aspurtions upon the wonderfulness of the Bonser regime. However what I have posted here is entirely 100% acurate, so if anone at Walsall FC wants to sue me I'm sure I can get hold of back copy of the Chrony for my five minutes in court.

Geordie whats the point of that post?
Your only quoting what most of us worked out ourselfs the day he quit. But thanks for confirming the obvious.
On to the game, went to today. Thats it to depressed to make any comment on the game.
Ok just one comment we were rubbish 1st half, slightly less rubbish second. Nice ground though just a shame so few of us make the effort.


Errr... the point of the post is entirely self-explanatory in so much that many Walsall fans, although evidently not your good self, continue to argue the toss as to why DD departed. Good-oh that you spotted the obvious reason why at the time, my faith in human kind is warmly restored.

Sorry your depressed. Why do so few bother? In answer to your question, as one of the few that bothered to attend many more difficult and far flung venues than Huddersfield for many more years than I can care to recall, its because the football is tedious garbage, and the football club has become a meaningless appendage of a souless chairman's pension fund.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:11 pm

I can't comment on the game as I didn't go. Just like to thank Kians nan for being ill and unable to babysit while I went. Get well soon and thank you :mrgreen:

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:15 pm

moanin old git wrote:One more thing, why oh why have grounds begun this VERY annoying practice of planting away support, in a little
section of an end stand, with HOME supporters so close that they can goad, taunt, and generally annoy all 223 of us
(especially with those ******* drums!) As I left the ground I could have turned into a mass murderer I was so annoyed. :evil:
Vast majority of the 223 were OAP's like me,is there some sort of subliminal message here?


It must be cos they have received the winter fuel allowance :wink:

Would have been 226 if I hadn't got drunk in the big smoke yesterday and missed my train home. Ended up getting back at 3 this afternoon. Glad I did now as another last minute defeat would have been hard to stomach after Oldham the other week.

I agree with your point though. It's a strange sight to see the home fans taunting and abusing a bunch of codgers

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:11 pm

tinned wrote:
Graydon48 wrote:Ok just one comment we were rubbish 1st half, slightly less rubbish second. Nice ground though just a shame so few of us make the effort.


Well I kinda think your first point answers the second.[/quote
Really, thanks for pointing that out.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:18 pm

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Graydon48 wrote:
Geordiesaddler wrote:Sorry for posting on a match thread, as I don't go to games and have only a passing interest in the meaningless drivel that masquerades as football at Walsall these days.

However, having visited to see what transpired this afternoon I noticed some conjecture as to why Richard Money left Walsall. Just to inform that there was an extensive interview with DD a few weeks ago in the Newcastle Evening Chronic(le) where he said in response to a direct question regarding his reason for leaving Walsall .......he left because he didn't feel his ambitions for the football club were matched by those running the club.

Sorry I don't have a link for those that require watertight, courtroom style proof of anything that might cast aspurtions upon the wonderfulness of the Bonser regime. However what I have posted here is entirely 100% acurate, so if anone at Walsall FC wants to sue me I'm sure I can get hold of back copy of the Chrony for my five minutes in court.

Geordie whats the point of that post?
Your only quoting what most of us worked out ourselfs the day he quit. But thanks for confirming the obvious.
On to the game, went to today. Thats it to depressed to make any comment on the game.
Ok just one comment we were rubbish 1st half, slightly less rubbish second. Nice ground though just a shame so few of us make the effort.


Errr... the point of the post is entirely self-explanatory in so much that many Walsall fans, although evidently not your good self, continue to argue the toss as to why DD departed. Good-oh that you spotted the obvious reason why at the time, my faith in human kind is warmly restored.

Sorry your depressed. Why do so few bother? In answer to your question, as one of the few that bothered to attend many more difficult and far flung venues than Huddersfield for many more years than I can care to recall, its because the football is tedious garbage, and the football club has become a meaningless appendage of a souless chairman's pension fund.

Whats this post about now ? I've travelled further in the past to watch WFC in the past than you have ?.
I think we are both passionate about our club but if you went to any game now home or away you will be saddened by the decline of this club.
Bonser or not this Club is dying a slow death no doubt about it.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:31 pm

Just to keep things simple, that's what I realised last season which is why I havn't been since.

My original post on here was to inform as to an article published in my loal newspaper which I guess nobody else on here would have read, and was pertinent to a couple of posts on this thread.

I really don't think I was trying to be any more simple of straightforward than that. But such is the nature of all things Walsall under this regime that if someone called a turd brown someone else would describe it as "dark beige". It makes the emperor's clothes scenario of Merson look like a golden age.

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Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:45 pm

Geordiesaddler wrote:Just to keep things simple, that's what I realised last season which is why I havn't been since.

My original post on here was to inform as to an article published in my loal newspaper which I guess nobody else on here would have read, and was pertinent to a couple of posts on this thread.

I really don't think I was trying to be any more simple of straightforward than that. But such is the nature of all things Walsall under this regime that if someone called a turd brown someone else would describe it as "dark beige". It makes the emperor's clothes scenario of Merson look like a golden age.

Perhaps I was rash in my response to your post but I am so hacked off about the state of our Club I didn't need reminding of one of the main causes of our rapid decline.
As a I said I think we are both passionate about Walsall but in 45 yrs of supporting Walsall I have never known such a lack of atmosphere home or away.
The numbers are dwindling each week and I fear once people get out of the habbit of going to games they will be lost for ever.
Bonser's timing to sell our dream last season combined with the Credit Crunch has bit him back big time, but with our Club dying its us the fans who will be the biggest losers.

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Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:09 am

sid swifty wrote:EVEN MORE SERIOUS QUESTION; GOT A COACHING BADGE,NO? BUT YOU THINK YOU CAN DO A BETTER JOB ANYWAY.We can all stand on the sidelines and throw stones,but you,along with a lot of others on UTS,some,who even slated him off before he even played one game,would s**t yourselves if you were in his position,at least he has the guts to do the job,no matter how much you all get6 on his back.Ignore them Jimmy,they are all a bunch of amatures mate :lol:


Steve McClaren had all the coaching badges and experience with the England set up, but by the end of his reign 9 out of 10 England fans knew he was making a lot of stupid mistakes in his team selection and tactics.

Fans who can see mistakes made by managers are not saying that they could do a better job. I know when a coach driver is driving badly, but that does not mean that I could take over.

The fans are saying that the manager is making mistakes. All managers make mistakes, even those like McClaren with more badges than a Queen's Scout - and you do not need to know much about football to know that Mullen is getting a lot of basic things wrong.

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Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:30 am

cal wfc fan wrote:Leeds loosing.... :lol:


We're not famous any more.
Little boys hiding behind their computer screens on matchday should get out a bit more.

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Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:42 am

After 2 defeats Mullen is forced to make changes against Swindon a much improved performance see's us win 2-1.
We travel to Huddersfield Mullen makes changes for the sake of it , we return to the hoof ball tactics and lose 1-2.
This idiot some call our manager is worse than Merson , if it aint broke don't fix it.

Mullen out.

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beckford09 wrote:
cal wfc fan wrote:Leeds losing.... :lol:


We're not famous any more.
Little boys hiding behind their computer screens on match-day should get out a bit more.


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Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:34 am

When a coach driver has'nt driven a coach for ten years he has to take his test again pity Muddle did'nt

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Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:42 am

Jockey wrote:what a flaming idiot. What the hell did Boertein and Reich do wrong last week to warrant being dropped today??

Like people said last week, these two played perfectly well down the left.

The inconsistency isnt from the players, its from the manager. He should have kept the same team and IMHO we would have got the same result. If there was a time when we saw Muddle was out of his depth, its now.

Get out of this club.



more bad man management , what must Reich and Boertein be thinking.

Mullen out

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Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:02 am

Percie wrote:What has everyone got against Ricketts? I keep hearing he’s "lazy" and "useless" from certain sections of the crowd every week. What are you people smoking? I'd have 11 Ricketts' on the pitch if I could. He bossed the midfield in the second half today and he was still getting criticism. Idiots.


Just very thick Im afraid Percie

IQ of less than 10 probably

This is a waste of a season and a waste of one year of a very talented player

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Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:03 am

Yesterday's loss was more of a disappointment to me than the loss at Oldham. Oldham always looked dangerous and likely to score; we virtually threw the ball in the net for Hudds' winner!

Nicholl's goal - I agree with previous posters - a definate GOTS contender, a lovely, outside-of-his-right-foot volley that curled away from the keeper - by far the highlight of a dull, uneventful game between two crap sides, otherwise brightened for me only by meeting a Yorkshire-based friend I hadn't seen for a while and draught Stella at £1.95 a pint in The Gas Club.

I felt sorry for Hughes yesterday - if he's played any more defensively, he'll be competing for Gilmartin's place in goal. He rarely seems to have the chance to use his creative abilities. I appreciate we will have a more defensive formation away from home but Hudds were there for the taking. We weren't particularly great at Colchester but we imposed ourself sufficiently to do a job; yesterday, we never really got out of second gear.

Jabo's chance was a golden opportunity - why he decided to hit it first time from distance I don't understand. Ricketts played well; his withdrawl into midfield for the second half seems to be a regular feature of our games nowadays, but surely, opponents expect it now and plan accordingly. Deeney, who I like, was largely anonymous yesterday; Reich should surely have come on for him in the second half.

Over the years I've always found away games enjoyable even when we've been having a bad season. I think 'Geordie' alluded to the absurd goings on under Merson earlier in this thread. I even managed to find some perverse kind of entertainment in the inevitability of our collapse under his farcical 'Management'. It's truly worrying that we now have 'Proper Football People' in charge and things are so dull and uninspiring. I still go, home and away, but I appreciate why so many are giving up on the club. I'm not looking forward to the January Sales.

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Re: Huddersfield Town (A) League 1 Saturday 6/12/08.

Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:39 am

just caught the goals on the championship.

Nicholl's goal was a beauty , as for the winning goal shocking defending again.

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Re: Huddersfield Town (A) League 1 Saturday 6/12/08.

Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:00 pm

beckford09 wrote:
cal wfc fan wrote:Leeds loosing.... :lol:


We're not famous any more.
Little boys hiding behind their computer screens on matchday should get out a bit more.


and big ladies should also..... :wink: :mrgreen:

Nb. "Big" as in grown up, i'm not being fatist or even sugesting this poster is a bloater :mrgreen:

That's another runner's up medal for Leeds this season :lol: :lol: :lol:

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