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Nothampton Town (H) F A CUP 2nd Round Replay Tuesday 11/12/7

Reports and reaction from the 2007-08 season as Walsall finished 12th in League 1
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Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:06 pm

PJD wrote:Also what you are missing sid is the emergence of some very promising talents. You can't expect a teenager to come into the first team and play like Ronaldo, but you can (well i do) take a huge amount of satisfaction out of that teenager growing maturing and becoming a really good player. Let's face it, this is one of the few pleasures you get to witness as a Walsall fan. I have been really pleased with the emergence of Bradley for example, who is shaping up like he could become a top player. Or Scot Dan, or Ishmel.

When one of them is playing in the Champions League (perhaps) you can say, "I used to watch him at Walsall".


Just like Matty Fryatt :wink:

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:14 pm

Geordiesaddler wrote:Well hypothetically Sid, if we changed our principles and went back to the moronic ethos of the Merson era whereby we set out to entertain (usually the opposition supporters) rather than win in some mad-cap scheme to try and attract 500-700 miserable Walsonians who can't be bothered to go when the team's winning week in week out then we might as well concrete over the pitch and turn Bescot into an entertainment complex.

Those of us that want to watch Walsall play football will no doubt form our own club and get on with it.

Lower division football is what it has always been, and our crowd level this season is on the uppward side of typical of what it has been for the best part of 40 years. Should Walsall have a cup run, or a promotion run-in, or gain promotion - then of course the crowds will increase - as they have always done. This largest average attendance we have had in recent years was during the Colin Lee era, was that due to entertaining football or the results that sustained our membership of what is now The Championship?


I agree. Football at all levels is primarily about winning. The game wasn't invented as a form of entertainment, people watch it because they find it entertaining. If they find that they no longer enjoy watching it then they should stop going, not ask it to change. There's plenty of the rest of us who still love the game for what it is.

For what it's worth, I drove two hours there and two back to watch last night's game. As I say, it wasn't the best game in the world and I froze my b*llocks off sitting watching it, but I'd do the same tonight if the opportunity was there - and not because I'm a mindless drone who'll watch any old tat I'm served up, but because there really aren't that many things that I enjoy doing more than watching Walsall (try to) play football (the whole thing, a laugh with mates etc, not just the game itself).

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Forive me if I am wrong, but are our attendances higher on average than the Graydon Era? Last night was always going to be a poor attendance as we have played them 3 times in 2 week. Sid, you say that 500-700 are staying away, obviously you know about you and your friends, but on what do you base the others? Have they said they are staying away because of our "poor" play. We all want to see Walsall doing well, some of us just happen to think that WE ARE actually doing well.

If you want Sexy football, go watch the big time charlies in the premiership - but make sure it is only the top 6 - because if you have Sky or Setenta you will know that t'others do play fantastic attacking football week after week 90 mins at a time. I think you forget that we are in the 3rd tier of footie!

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:19 pm

PJD wrote:Also what you are missing sid is the emergence of some very promising talents. You can't expect a teenager to come into the first team and play like Ronaldo, but you can (well i do) take a huge amount of satisfaction out of that teenager growing maturing and becoming a really good player. Let's face it, this is one of the few pleasures you get to witness as a Walsall fan. I have been really pleased with the emergence of Bradley for example, who is shaping up like he could become a top player. Or Scott Dann, or Ishmel.

When one of them is playing in the Champions League (perhaps) you can say, "I used to watch him at Walsall".
I know what your saying PJD....ive seen loeds and loads of youngsters come through the ranks in my time (Ian Paul my favourite)....but they will only play the way DD wants them/orders them to....and he does tend to err on the side of caution/dullness... :lol:

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Whitti Steve wrote:Forive me if I am wrong, but are our attendances higher on average than the Graydon Era? Last night was always going to be a poor attendance as we have played them 3 times in 2 week. Sid, you say that 500-700 are staying away, obviously you know about you and your friends, but on what do you base the others? Have they said they are staying away because of our "poor" play. We all want to see Walsall doing well, some of us just happen to think that WE ARE actually doing well.

If you want Sexy football, go watch the big time charlies in the premiership - but make sure it is only the top 6 - because if you have Sky or Setenta you will know that t'others do play fantastic attacking football week after week 90 mins at a time. I think you forget that we are in the 3rd tier of footie!
"Sid, you say that 500-700 are staying away, obviously you know about you and your friends, but on what do you base the others? " I was just working on the good old law of averages Steve....ie....If i know 7 people who are roughly of the same mindset as me...then surely there must be a lot more....I would have thought that was a natural assumption.

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:28 pm

sid swifty wrote:
PJD wrote:Also what you are missing sid is the emergence of some very promising talents. You can't expect a teenager to come into the first team and play like Ronaldo, but you can (well i do) take a huge amount of satisfaction out of that teenager growing maturing and becoming a really good player. Let's face it, this is one of the few pleasures you get to witness as a Walsall fan. I have been really pleased with the emergence of Bradley for example, who is shaping up like he could become a top player. Or Scott Dann, or Ishmel.

When one of them is playing in the Champions League (perhaps) you can say, "I used to watch him at Walsall".
I know what your saying PJD....ive seen loeds and loads of youngsters come through the ranks in my time (Ian Paul my favourite)....but they will only play the way DD wants them/orders them to....and he does tend to err on the side of caution/dullness... :lol:


We've all had our fit of pique - but always come back for more in the end! I remember my uncle in about 1979 saying he'd never go again and he kept it up for about twenty years! He's going on Saturday though!

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:30 pm

philthesaddler wrote:Oh, and one more thing - why am I negative when all I'm asking for is attacking football where the side who shows the most endeavour and will to win, actually goes on to win.


We did that in the second half against Forest after absorbing a lot of pressure from an excellent multi million pound Forest side who stretched us yet we still managed to defende well enough to keep a clean sheet.

Yet you are saying we didn't deserve to win. You clearly don't know anything about the game phil as you exhibit every week on here.

I can only assume you'd prefer us to play lots of attacking football but lose like we did under Merson? If I remember correctly you were very anti Paul Merson for these reasons. So basically no Walsall manager will every be good enough for you so I don't know why you bother turning up.

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:31 pm

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PJD wrote:Also what you are missing sid is the emergence of some very promising talents. You can't expect a teenager to come into the first team and play like Ronaldo, but you can (well i do) take a huge amount of satisfaction out of that teenager growing maturing and becoming a really good player. Let's face it, this is one of the few pleasures you get to witness as a Walsall fan. I have been really pleased with the emergence of Bradley for example, who is shaping up like he could become a top player. Or Scott Dann, or Ishmel.

When one of them is playing in the Champions League (perhaps) you can say, "I used to watch him at Walsall".
I know what your saying PJD....ive seen loeds and loads of youngsters come through the ranks in my time (Ian Paul my favourite)....but they will only play the way DD wants them/orders them to....and he does tend to err on the side of caution/dullness... :lol:


We've all had our fit of pique - but always come back for more in the end! I remember my uncle in about 1979 saying he'd never go again and he kept it up for about twenty years! He's going on Saturday though!
I know I will definately come back PJD....its just a case of when.

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:34 pm

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Geordiesaddler wrote:Well hypothetically Sid, if we changed our principles and went back to the moronic ethos of the Merson era whereby we set out to entertain (usually the opposition supporters) rather than win in some mad-cap scheme to try and attract 500-700 miserable Walsonians who can't be bothered to go when the team's winning week in week out then we might as well concrete over the pitch and turn Bescot into an entertainment complex.

Those of us that want to watch Walsall play football will no doubt form our own club and get on with it.

Lower division football is what it has always been, and our crowd level this season is on the uppward side of typical of what it has been for the best part of 40 years. Should Walsall have a cup run, or a promotion run-in, or gain promotion - then of course the crowds will increase - as they have always done. This largest average attendance we have had in recent years was during the Colin Lee era, was that due to entertaining football or the results that sustained our membership of what is now The Championship?
I would rather have DD than PM Geordie....PM shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football club ever again (apart from wolves that is... :lol: )....at least DD knows the difference between tactics and Tic-tacs....but there just has to be a happy medium....thats what I am hoping for anyway...because I do miss matchdays...but not the style of football.


Well as I said to you on a PM a couple of months back Sid, IMO that "happy medium" as you describe it is well and truely here. I know exactly where you'e coming from, the Merson era was painful, and last season ie.division 4 was typically err division 4.

This is'nt last season, and if like me and many others you had been going to games you would see that for yourself. Some of the football this season has been very good indeed. Also some of it has been average, some dour and some very poor - that's what you get watching Walsall in the 3rd division. The problem is if you stay away yet come on here reading the tripe that the likes of Phil posts you'll be none the wiser.

As for your "I miss the matchday" bit. Heaven's above, you'll have me filling up in a minute. Remind me again who you support? Wimbledon??
Bradford Park Avenue???? Aldershot????????

Even all the above have managed to re-invent themselves because of the very appetite that people have for "the matchday thing" irrespective of the standard of football. You have it on your doorstep, at a decent level, during a successful era, at competitive prices etc. etc. and you still choose not to go!!!!

I go because love watching Walsall, if the game's good and the team win then so much the better. If it isn't or they lose there's always next week.
That's what supporting your team was about when I grew up, and I stick to that unashamedly without the slightest pang to pander to the 21st century's voyeuristic commercialism as directed by Rupert Murdoch et al.

Don't let the B and Q zombies get you Sid, because when you do it won't matter how much extra spare time and money you have. A lifetime watching 0-0 draws at Rotherham away will seem like an orgasm after 5 minutes in that world. But then I think deep down you are starting to realise that already.

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Geordiesaddler wrote:Well hypothetically Sid, if we changed our principles and went back to the moronic ethos of the Merson era whereby we set out to entertain (usually the opposition supporters) rather than win in some mad-cap scheme to try and attract 500-700 miserable Walsonians who can't be bothered to go when the team's winning week in week out then we might as well concrete over the pitch and turn Bescot into an entertainment complex.

Those of us that want to watch Walsall play football will no doubt form our own club and get on with it.

Lower division football is what it has always been, and our crowd level this season is on the uppward side of typical of what it has been for the best part of 40 years. Should Walsall have a cup run, or a promotion run-in, or gain promotion - then of course the crowds will increase - as they have always done. This largest average attendance we have had in recent years was during the Colin Lee era, was that due to entertaining football or the results that sustained our membership of what is now The Championship?
I would rather have DD than PM Geordie....PM shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football club ever again (apart from wolves that is... :lol: )....at least DD knows the difference between tactics and Tic-tacs....but there just has to be a happy medium....thats what I am hoping for anyway...because I do miss matchdays...but not the style of football.


Well as I said to you on a PM a couple of months back Sid, IMO that "happy medium" as you describe it is well and truely here. I know exactly where you'e coming from, the Merson era was painful, and last season ie.division 4 was typically err division 4.

This is'nt last season, and if like me and many others you had been going to games you would see that for yourself. Some of the football this season has been very good indeed. Also some of it has been average, some dour and some very poor - that's what you get watching Walsall in the 3rd division. The problem is if you stay away yet come on here reading the tripe that the likes of Phil posts you'll be none the wiser.

As for your "I miss the matchday" bit. Heaven's above, you'll have me filling up in a minute. Remind me again who you support? Wimbledon??
Bradford Park Avenue???? Aldershot????????

Even all the above have managed to re-invent themselves because of the very appetite that people have for "the matchday thing" irrespective of the standard of football. You have it on your doorstep, at a decent level, during a successful era, at competitive prices etc. etc. and you still choose not to go!!!!

I go because love watching Walsall, if the game's good and the team win then so much the better. If it isn't or they lose there's always next week.
That's what supporting your team was about when I grew up, and I stick to that unashamedly without the slightest pang to pander to the 21st century's voyeuristic commercialism as directed by Rupert Murdoch et al.

Don't let the B and Q zombies get you Sid, because when you do it won't matter how much extra spare time and money you have. A lifetime watching 0-0 draws at Rotherham away will seem like an orgasm after 5 minutes in that world. But then I think deep down you are starting to realise that already.
You should work for the club Geordie as a PR man....you put a very compelling case mate.... :lol:

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:39 pm

Geordiesaddler wrote:This is'nt last season, and if like me and many others you had been going to games you would see that for yourself. Some of the football this season has been very good indeed. Also some of it has been average, some dour and some very poor - that's what you get watching Walsall in the 3rd division. The problem is if you stay away yet come on here reading the tripe that the likes of Phil posts you'll be none the wiser.


Exactly. Some of the football this season has been brilliant and we've got the best of both worlds now. Results and on the whole decent performances.

Problem is some people only comment or choose to see the bad (or weren't at the good games).

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We were poor last night. Getting motivated in freezing conditions against a team we've played twice recently and having one eye on the Leeds game can't have been easy but we got a result which is all that matters in a cup game.

In my opinion playing poorly last night will do us a favour coming up to the Leeds game because they'll be getting a rollocking from DD all week and we'll put in a better performance to stand us in good stead to win.

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sid swifty wrote:You should work for the club Geordie as a PR man....you put a very compelling case mate.... :lol:


For you, sid. :wink:

Ode to the Bank’s Stadium (on the name change)

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My pie's gone cold, I'm wondering why I went to the game at all
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Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:48 pm

Magic Man Fan wrote:We were poor last night. Getting motivated in freezing conditions against a team we've played twice recently and having one eye on the Leeds game can't have been easy but we got a result which is all that matters in a cup game.

In my opinion playing poorly last night will do us a favour coming up to the Leeds game because they'll be getting a rollocking from DD all week and we'll put in a better performance to stand us in good stead to win.
I totally agree with that summary. We did not play well, but the good news is that we won. Nobody can expect us to play well every week, and it was great to see so many young home grown players on the pitch at the end of the match.

A few weeks ago there was a thread about which we wanted more: to beat Northampton in the league or in the cup. We really should all be very happy indeed that we have managed to do both.

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wel done DD.....I hate it when we play rubbish then the manager tells everyone what brilliant football we've played...as DD has done on other occasions.

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We were poor last night. Getting motivated in freezing conditions against a team we've played twice recently and having one eye on the Leeds game can't have been easy but we got a result which is all that matters in a cup game.


Thats more or less what DD said in his post match interview on WM . he added that the visitors playing 5 across the midfield on our narrow pitch did'nt help , suppose some fans forget that teams don't come here a lay down for us. :wink:

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Magic Man Fan wrote:We were poor last night. Getting motivated in freezing conditions against a team we've played twice recently and having one eye on the Leeds game can't have been easy but we got a result which is all that matters in a cup game.

In my opinion playing poorly last night will do us a favour coming up to the Leeds game because they'll be getting a rollocking from DD all week and we'll put in a better performance to stand us in good stead to win.
I totally agree with that summary. We did not play well, but the good news is that we won. Nobody can expect us to play well every week, and it was great to see so many young home grown players on the pitch at the end of the match.

A few weeks ago there was a thread about which we wanted more: to beat Northampton in the league or in the cup. We really should all be very happy indeed that we have managed to do both.


If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

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We were poor last night. Getting motivated in freezing conditions against a team we've played twice recently and having one eye on the Leeds game can't have been easy but we got a result which is all that matters in a cup game.


Thats more or less what DD said in his post match interview on WM . he added that the visitors playing 5 across the midfield on our narrow pitch did'nt help , suppose some fans forget that teams don't come here a lay down for us. :wink:


Some fans know that little about the game that they spend all second half slating Ricketts because he was playing so deep even though he's supposed to be a striker, even though it was clear from the 45th minute DD had changed to a 4-5-1 formation to match their midfield.

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We were poor last night. Getting motivated in freezing conditions against a team we've played twice recently and having one eye on the Leeds game can't have been easy but we got a result which is all that matters in a cup game.


Thats more or less what DD said in his post match interview on WM . he added that the visitors playing 5 across the midfield on our narrow pitch did'nt help , suppose some fans forget that teams don't come here a lay down for us. :wink:


Some fans know that little about the game that they spend all second half slating Ricketts because he was playing so deep even though he's supposed to be a striker, even though it was clear from the 45th minute DD had changed to a 4-5-1 formation to match their midfield.


Clueless :wink:

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King Crimson wrote:If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

What wager? :)

By the way, is there anyone who still thinks that Sonko is better than Mark Wright?

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King Crimson wrote:If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

What wager? :)

By the way, is there anyone who still thinks that Sonko is better than Mark Wright?


I honestly thought 'Mr Sunshine' was a term of endearment, based on his cheery personality or winning smile.

Then we entered October... :(

Still, you'll be eating your words come April.

Maybe

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Magic Man Fan wrote:
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We were poor last night. Getting motivated in freezing conditions against a team we've played twice recently and having one eye on the Leeds game can't have been easy but we got a result which is all that matters in a cup game.


Thats more or less what DD said in his post match interview on WM . he added that the visitors playing 5 across the midfield on our narrow pitch did'nt help , suppose some fans forget that teams don't come here a lay down for us. :wink:


Some fans know that little about the game that they spend all second half slating Ricketts because he was playing so deep even though he's supposed to be a striker, even though it was clear from the 45th minute DD had changed to a 4-5-1 formation to match their midfield.


433 according to DD - we're not so negative as to only play one up front at home. :wink:

Not that it matters - Ricketts wasn't one of the three up top anyway. I do think he got that a bit wrong though. I'd probably have wanted Ricketts up top to get on the end of the crosses our wingers were (supposed to be) putting in. However, I do appreciate that neither Mooney or Ricketts are really mobile enough to play on the wing in a 433/451, so I guess Ricketts did either have to go into midfield or come off - and I certainly wouldn't have wanted him off the pitch altogether.

Tell you what, though, the relatively small crowd did seem to contain a very large proportion of the anti-Ricketts mob. Last night was the most sustained period of abuse he's had since his return, despite him not standing out as being any worse than any of our other attacking players. Of course, the fact that he then played Ishmel in to win the penalty and then scored it himself wasn't remarked upon by most of those abusing him...

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King Crimson wrote:If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

What wager? :)

By the way, is there anyone who still thinks that Sonko is better than Mark Wright?


Yes. Neither are good enough but Wright has tried and failed at League 1 level over a longer period than Sonko.

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King Crimson wrote:If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

What wager? :)

By the way, is there anyone who still thinks that Sonko is better than Mark Wright?


You know I'm a big Mark Wright fan but Sonko is better....when he can be bothered.

I did say in September when everyone was raving and overreacting to his performances that we should judge him in the freezing cold months and once again I have been proven right (arrogant :D )

At this point in time Mark Wright would be far better to have in the team than Sonko but some will never admit to that but will still happily have a pop at Sonko.

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King Crimson wrote:If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

What wager? :)

By the way, is there anyone who still thinks that Sonko is better than Mark Wright?


Yes. Neither are good enough but Wright has tried and failed at League 1 level over a longer period than Sonko.


Failed that often plenty of managers kept picking him.

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King Crimson wrote:If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

What wager? :)

By the way, is there anyone who still thinks that Sonko is better than Mark Wright?


Yes. Neither are good enough but Wright has tried and failed at League 1 level over a longer period than Sonko.


Failed that often plenty of managers kept picking him.


In League 1? Plenty?

Wright only played regularly under Merson and Broadhurst in that division. He had four very brief sub appearances under Graydon in 2000/1 (less than an hour in total) as a young kid. Lee never managed us in League 1 (and very seldom picked Wright - fewer than 20 appearances in two-and-a-half years). Merson and Broadhurst picked him a lot in League 1, granted, but Merson played him at right back for much of the season that we stayed up in and pretty much everyone who played for us failed the following season. Money didn't manage Wright in League 1.

So, by my reckoning, Wright's played regularly on the right wing for one season in his career - and we got relegated in that season - and the only managers to pick him regularly in that division are Merson and Broadhurst - neither of whom were known for being good judges of players.

I'm not a Wright-hater by the way - he did a decent job for us last season. In League 2. And appears to be doing well for MK Dons this season. In League 2.

Of course, that's probably exactly the type of response you wanted... :wink:

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:36 pm

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Bernie wrote:
King Crimson wrote:If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

What wager? :)

By the way, is there anyone who still thinks that Sonko is better than Mark Wright?


Yes. Neither are good enough but Wright has tried and failed at League 1 level over a longer period than Sonko.


Failed that often plenty of managers kept picking him.


In League 1? Plenty?

Wright only played regularly under Merson and Broadhurst in that division. He had four very brief sub appearances under Graydon in 2000/1 (less than an hour in total) as a young kid. Lee never managed us in League 1 (and very seldom picked Wright - fewer than 20 appearances in two-and-a-half years). Merson and Broadhurst picked him a lot in League 1, granted, but Merson played him at right back for much of the season that we stayed up in and pretty much everyone who played for us failed the following season. Money didn't manage Wright in League 1.

So, by my reckoning, Wright's played regularly on the right wing for one season in his career - and we got relegated in that season - and the only managers to pick him regularly in that division are Merson and Broadhurst - neither of whom were known for being good judges of players.

I'm not a Wright-hater by the way - he did a decent job for us last season. In League 2. And appears to be doing well for MK Dons this season. In League 2.

Of course, that's probably exactly the type of response you wanted... :wink:


Mark Wright was a regular (as you can be as a young player) in the Championship under Colin Lee. He would have been even moreso if Lee had stayed in charge.

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:42 pm

Magic Man Fan wrote:
Plastic Hawk wrote:
Magic Man Fan wrote:
Plastic Hawk wrote:
Bernie wrote:
King Crimson wrote:If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

What wager? :)

By the way, is there anyone who still thinks that Sonko is better than Mark Wright?


Yes. Neither are good enough but Wright has tried and failed at League 1 level over a longer period than Sonko.


Failed that often plenty of managers kept picking him.


In League 1? Plenty?

Wright only played regularly under Merson and Broadhurst in that division. He had four very brief sub appearances under Graydon in 2000/1 (less than an hour in total) as a young kid. Lee never managed us in League 1 (and very seldom picked Wright - fewer than 20 appearances in two-and-a-half years). Merson and Broadhurst picked him a lot in League 1, granted, but Merson played him at right back for much of the season that we stayed up in and pretty much everyone who played for us failed the following season. Money didn't manage Wright in League 1.

So, by my reckoning, Wright's played regularly on the right wing for one season in his career - and we got relegated in that season - and the only managers to pick him regularly in that division are Merson and Broadhurst - neither of whom were known for being good judges of players.

I'm not a Wright-hater by the way - he did a decent job for us last season. In League 2. And appears to be doing well for MK Dons this season. In League 2.

Of course, that's probably exactly the type of response you wanted... :wink:


Mark Wright was a regular (as you can be as a young player) in the Championship under Colin Lee. He would have been even moreso if Lee had stayed in charge.


In which season?

I reckon:
2001/2: Only played on loan for Nuneaton.
2002/3: 2 starts, 3 sub appearances.
2003/4: 3 starts, 8 sub appearances, 3 goals - and one of the starts, one of the sub appearances and one of the goals were after Merson took over - so Lee played him less than Merson.

Mark Wright was 21 at the start of 2003/4, 22 by the time he started playing semi-regularly. 3 starts and 8 sub appearances does not make someone of that age a regular - it makes them on the verge of being bombed out (as he would have been if we'd survived).

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:48 pm

Plastic Hawk wrote:
Magic Man Fan wrote:
Plastic Hawk wrote:
Magic Man Fan wrote:
Plastic Hawk wrote:
Bernie wrote:
King Crimson wrote:If I agree with you wholeheartedly Bernie, can we forget about that silly 'Sonko will score more goals and get more assists than Wright' wager? :wink:

What wager? :)

By the way, is there anyone who still thinks that Sonko is better than Mark Wright?


Yes. Neither are good enough but Wright has tried and failed at League 1 level over a longer period than Sonko.


Failed that often plenty of managers kept picking him.


In League 1? Plenty?

Wright only played regularly under Merson and Broadhurst in that division. He had four very brief sub appearances under Graydon in 2000/1 (less than an hour in total) as a young kid. Lee never managed us in League 1 (and very seldom picked Wright - fewer than 20 appearances in two-and-a-half years). Merson and Broadhurst picked him a lot in League 1, granted, but Merson played him at right back for much of the season that we stayed up in and pretty much everyone who played for us failed the following season. Money didn't manage Wright in League 1.

So, by my reckoning, Wright's played regularly on the right wing for one season in his career - and we got relegated in that season - and the only managers to pick him regularly in that division are Merson and Broadhurst - neither of whom were known for being good judges of players.

I'm not a Wright-hater by the way - he did a decent job for us last season. In League 2. And appears to be doing well for MK Dons this season. In League 2.

Of course, that's probably exactly the type of response you wanted... :wink:


Mark Wright was a regular (as you can be as a young player) in the Championship under Colin Lee. He would have been even moreso if Lee had stayed in charge.


In which season?

I reckon:
2001/2: Only played on loan for Nuneaton.
2002/3: 2 starts, 3 sub appearances.
2003/4: 3 starts, 8 sub appearances, 3 goals - and one of the starts, one of the sub appearances and one of the goals were after Merson took over - so Lee played him less than Merson.

Mark Wright was 21 at the start of 2003/4, 22 by the time he started playing semi-regularly. 3 starts and 8 sub appearances does not make someone of that age a regular - it makes them on the verge of being bombed out (as he would have been if we'd survived).


You're at least a year late on this topic, sorry. The fact remains we would be far better off with Mark Wright in the squad now than without him because Nicholls just isn't good enough competition for Sonko right now and unfortunately keeps proving it when he gets given a chance by DD.

Mark Wrightk, now fit is keeping some good players out of the team at MK Dons.

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