Doncaster Rovers (A) League 1 - Tuesday 2/10/07.

[Cheesebag]

What a second half performance, best I have seen for 4 or 4 years, superb!

The Third and Fourth Quarters were awesome for the Walsall Saddlers!

Got to keep that formation and how we played it in the second half!!

Coach Money got the team line-up A1 tonite.

Dobson was MOTM, absolutely AWESOME.

Mike Dobson MVP on basis of pass-ball stats from tonite's match.

Mooney has endeared himself to me forever, his passion, running and movement were brilliant, should have had a hat trick!

Walsall shot-kicker Thomas Mooney was outta here. Great composure for a PK specialist. That's 2 in 5 now for this senior player.

There you go. :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Brilliant! :lol:

Even some on the fans turned up with funny yellow and red wigs on to show their support. :wink: :lol:

[Stu]

Ok then Stu....lets call them "reserves" rather than youngsters...and if you look back on that thread i suggested just one or two at a time....not flooding the team with youngsters....and there was talk last week about getting another 2 loanees in....had that happened I know which players would have made way for them....so keep loan players down to a bare minimum....reserve team players need to know that there is a chance they might get a game in preference to loan players.

That's the point, we didn't use reserve players either, we used 1 reserve player, Bradley. The rest of the team, Mattis apart, were what we'd class as first team players.

They were always good enough, just needed a break and hopefully we have that now.

[Magic Man Fan]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

And if you look at the replies you will note that we said using young players and loan signings in proportion they can work very effectively.

We also pointed out that we've been introducing the young players all season and Mattis has come in and done the business so you didn't really prove anything on that thread apart from the fact you were wrong about loan signings. :D

[sid swifty]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

And if you look at the replies you will note that we said using young players and loan signings in proportion they can work very effectively.

We also pointed out that we've been introducing the young players all season and Mattis has come in and done the business so you didn't really prove anything on that thread apart from the fact you were wrong about loan signings. :D

No Mark...most people wanted 2 more loan signings last week.....and if we had had them they would have played last night in place of Bradley and ishey more than likely.

[Magic Man Fan]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

And if you look at the replies you will note that we said using young players and loan signings in proportion they can work very effectively.

We also pointed out that we've been introducing the young players all season and Mattis has come in and done the business so you didn't really prove anything on that thread apart from the fact you were wrong about loan signings. :D

No Mark...most people wanted 2 more loan signings last week.....and if we had had them they would have played last night in place of Bradley and ishey more than likely.

Bradley was average last night but people see he scored so think he was excellent. A good young Premiership/Championship player a la O Neil or Surman (the equivalent of which we'd be lucky to get at this level) would have been better. But Bradley will be a good player, but we can't rely on them week in week out until they are ready. DD is using them perfectly, putting them in then dropping them to realise they need to work harder.

[sid swifty]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

And if you look at the replies you will note that we said using young players and loan signings in proportion they can work very effectively.

We also pointed out that we've been introducing the young players all season and Mattis has come in and done the business so you didn't really prove anything on that thread apart from the fact you were wrong about loan signings. :D

No Mark...most people wanted 2 more loan signings last week.....and if we had had them they would have played last night in place of Bradley and ishey more than likely.

Bradley was average last night but people see he scored so think he was excellent. A good young Premiership/Championship player a la O Neil or Surman (the equivalent of which we'd be lucky to get at this level) would have been better. But Bradley will be a good player, but we can't rely on them week in week out until they are ready. DD is using them perfectly, putting them in then dropping them to realise they need to work harder.

It doesn't matter wether he was average...good or excellent Mark...the fact is...he's got the experience of playing in a league game...and thats invalueable.

[Plastic Hawk]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

And if you look at the replies you will note that we said using young players and loan signings in proportion they can work very effectively.

We also pointed out that we've been introducing the young players all season and Mattis has come in and done the business so you didn't really prove anything on that thread apart from the fact you were wrong about loan signings. :D

No Mark...most people wanted 2 more loan signings last week.....and if we had had them they would have played last night in place of Bradley and ishey more than likely.

Bradley was average last night but people see he scored so think he was excellent. A good young Premiership/Championship player a la O Neil or Surman (the equivalent of which we'd be lucky to get at this level) would have been better. But Bradley will be a good player, but we can't rely on them week in week out until they are ready. DD is using them perfectly, putting them in then dropping them to realise they need to work harder.

It doesn't matter wether he was average...good or excellent Mark...the fact is...he's got the experience of playing in a league game...and thats invalueable.

To him. But, in itself, not going to directly help the club to win more games - especially not the ones he's average in.

[sid swifty]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

And if you look at the replies you will note that we said using young players and loan signings in proportion they can work very effectively.

We also pointed out that we've been introducing the young players all season and Mattis has come in and done the business so you didn't really prove anything on that thread apart from the fact you were wrong about loan signings. :D

No Mark...most people wanted 2 more loan signings last week.....and if we had had them they would have played last night in place of Bradley and ishey more than likely.

Bradley was average last night but people see he scored so think he was excellent. A good young Premiership/Championship player a la O Neil or Surman (the equivalent of which we'd be lucky to get at this level) would have been better. But Bradley will be a good player, but we can't rely on them week in week out until they are ready. DD is using them perfectly, putting them in then dropping them to realise they need to work harder.

It doesn't matter wether he was average...good or excellent Mark...the fact is...he's got the experience of playing in a league game...and thats invalueable.

To him. But, in itself, not going to directly help the club to win more games - especially not the ones he's average in.

well he scored one of the goals....so i would say that he did help the club PH.... :D

[Plastic Hawk]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

And if you look at the replies you will note that we said using young players and loan signings in proportion they can work very effectively.

We also pointed out that we've been introducing the young players all season and Mattis has come in and done the business so you didn't really prove anything on that thread apart from the fact you were wrong about loan signings. :D

No Mark...most people wanted 2 more loan signings last week.....and if we had had them they would have played last night in place of Bradley and ishey more than likely.

Bradley was average last night but people see he scored so think he was excellent. A good young Premiership/Championship player a la O Neil or Surman (the equivalent of which we'd be lucky to get at this level) would have been better. But Bradley will be a good player, but we can't rely on them week in week out until they are ready. DD is using them perfectly, putting them in then dropping them to realise they need to work harder.

It doesn't matter wether he was average...good or excellent Mark...the fact is...he's got the experience of playing in a league game...and thats invalueable.

To him. But, in itself, not going to directly help the club to win more games - especially not the ones he's average in.

well he scored one of the goals....so i would say that he did help the club PH.... :D

But that's not the argument you were trying to make... :wink:

[Neil Ravenscroft]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

So who in that first team last night would you class as our own youngsters? Ishmel and Bradley are the only two who you could class as not youngsters deserving of a chance, and even then Ishmel has been around for nigh on 2 seasons now.

So in fact Bradley was the only one who was really new, and even he has figured before this season on 2/3 occasions...

Folk said you were off your head if you thought we should throw 3 or 4 in, I think everyone agreed that it might not harm to blood one or two, which is exactly what happened is it not?

Spot on, Stu. It seems that there are some strange ideas out there as to what constitutes a youngster of our own!

[Plastic Hawk]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

So who in that first team last night would you class as our own youngsters? Ishmel and Bradley are the only two who you could class as not youngsters deserving of a chance, and even then Ishmel has been around for nigh on 2 seasons now.

So in fact Bradley was the only one who was really new, and even he has figured before this season on 2/3 occasions...

Folk said you were off your head if you thought we should throw 3 or 4 in, I think everyone agreed that it might not harm to blood one or two, which is exactly what happened is it not?

Spot on, Stu. It seems that there are some strange ideas out there as to what constitutes a youngster of our own!

Slightly off the point, but does it matter if a youngster is "our own"? Gerrard, Fox, Dann etc might not have been at WFC since they were 12, but they're still 21 or under at the moment - and so likely to be around in football for 10-15 years. Does it matter where they've been until now? It's where they're going - and where they can take us - that matters.

[sid swifty]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

So who in that first team last night would you class as our own youngsters? Ishmel and Bradley are the only two who you could class as not youngsters deserving of a chance, and even then Ishmel has been around for nigh on 2 seasons now.

So in fact Bradley was the only one who was really new, and even he has figured before this season on 2/3 occasions...

Folk said you were off your head if you thought we should throw 3 or 4 in, I think everyone agreed that it might not harm to blood one or two, which is exactly what happened is it not?

Spot on, Stu. It seems that there are some strange ideas out there as to what constitutes a youngster of our own!

Now look what you've done Stu...you've got Neil agreeing with you... :D

[Duke]

DD proud.

http://www.saddlers.premiumtv.co.uk/pag ... 87,00.html

[Neil Ravenscroft]

Its funny how things change...you were all saying i was off my head last week after i started a thread saying DD should start playing some of our own youngsters rather than keep getting in loan signings.... :wink:

So who in that first team last night would you class as our own youngsters? Ishmel and Bradley are the only two who you could class as not youngsters deserving of a chance, and even then Ishmel has been around for nigh on 2 seasons now.

So in fact Bradley was the only one who was really new, and even he has figured before this season on 2/3 occasions...

Folk said you were off your head if you thought we should throw 3 or 4 in, I think everyone agreed that it might not harm to blood one or two, which is exactly what happened is it not?

Spot on, Stu. It seems that there are some strange ideas out there as to what constitutes a youngster of our own!

Now look what you've done Stu...you've got Neil agreeing with you... :D

If you check, you'll find we agree most of the time. He's spot on here as well. Last night's line up was, along with the number of career games:

Ince (202), Wrack (394), Dann (46), Gerrard (101), Fox (100), Sonko (8), Dobson (261), Bradley (9), Mattis (194), Demontagnac (59), Mooney (705).

Harldy a bunch of inexperienced kids, were they? Even Dann and Demontagnac are up to a half century now, so have the experience to make a contribution.

[Salop Saddler]

I'd like to see Constable brought back to play alongside Mooney

[Cheesebag]

Sonko (8),

Sonko was indeed cool last night.

[Neil Ravenscroft]

I'd like to see Constable brought back to play alongside Mooney

NNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Salop Saddler]

I'd like to see Constable brought back to play alongside Mooney

NNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a little irony, old chap, knowing how much you rate his abilities.

[King Crimson]

Last night's line up was, along with the number of career games:

Ince (202), Wrack (394), Dann (46), Gerrard (101), Fox (100), Sonko (8), Dobson (261), Bradley (9), Mattis (194), Demontagnac (59), Mooney (705).

Harldy a bunch of inexperienced kids, were they? Even Dann and Demontagnac are up to a half century now, so have the experience to make a contribution.

:D

[Magic Man Fan]

I'd like to see Constable brought back to play alongside Mooney

I agree :lol:

But seriously with the amount of crosses Sonko and Ishmel were putting over he'd be perfect to put some away with his head, like he did so excellently in the clip I post of his debut. :D :wink: :P

[belgiansaddler]

which clip was that MMFm can u post it again mate :lol: :P :lol:

[Magic Man Fan]

which clip was that MMFm can u post it again mate :lol: :P :lol:

For those that missed the rare opportunity to see Constable play. He's the tall one with a shaved head in a red number 39 shirt doing all the stuff a good centre forward does...in a League 1 game alongside the useless sitter missing Jorge Leitao. :wink:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9cp59ZbXAI[/youtube]

[SheffieldSaddler]

I have no idea what Neil has against Constable, but he was not given a proper chance. FACT! :wink:
Keep it up MMF, I love ya nearly as much as Constable himself! x

[Magic Man Fan]

I have no idea what Neil has against Constable, but he was not given a proper chance. FACT! :wink:
Keep it up MMF, I love you nearly as much as Constable himself! x

I feel guilty now for singing Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio when you got chucked out last night. :oops: :lol:

[We-ARE-Walsall]

I have no idea what Neil has against Constable, but he was not given a proper chance. FACT! :wink:
Keep it up MMF, I love you nearly as much as Constable himself! x

I feel guilty now for singing Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio when you got chucked out last night. :oops: :lol:

:D

[Fray Bentos is God!]

Money out Phil?

[Whitti Steve]

Money out Phil?

Is that to pay a bet or to get rid of a manager :lol:

[big baz 1]

Another away game i dont go to and walsall win , im thinking of not going to any walsall away games anymore. :wink:

[big baz 1]

Walsall will win and im not going tonight either.

In view of the fact you're not going I change my prediction to a Walsall win :D

So far you've been to Leyton Orient, Gillingham, Swansea and Bournemouth and we've lost them all. You've missed Millwall and Hartlepool and we won both, keep up the good work mate! :wink:

:D :D :D

Told you we'd win Baz if you stayed at home. Are you going on Saturday? :wink:

I am indeed going saturday which means walsall will lose :wink:

[Duke]

Wrack - pulled hamstring, out for a month possibly.

shame , his best performances the season have been at right back imho.
Weston is steady enough .

You think? I don't see him as an improvement on Pead to be honest. How clumsy was his foul to concede the penalty last night for those there, I'm stuck in a very wet overcast France for the week unfortunately so couldn't laugh at Sheff being chucked out...

I think he's an improvement on Pead. Probably he'll be a below average, but not dreadful, League 1 right back this season, just as Pead was a slightly below average, but not dreadful, League 2 right back (despite his ridiculous appearance in the PFA Team of the Season :roll: ).[/quote0


Why ridiculous? It's voted for by the players themselves. The ones who had to play against him. Surely they are a far better judge than you or Dave?

Pead was ok. He put some good match winning defensive performances for us and wouldn't have been a bad player to have around in the squad this season in my opinion. Having said that I think when Weston has settled in and gets fully fit he'll be a good signing. Wrack was struggling at right back last night and accounted for a lot of the dodgy spells in the first half. Whether his injury was there throughout and it got worse I don't know but he wasn't playing well before he went off.

How Pead made that PFA side I'll never know , for most of the season , he was not our first choice right back , had Roper and Dann not been injured i don't think his appearance total would have reached 15.
DD got his released list spot on IMHO , the fact that Pead is struggling to break into Brentford first team speaks volumes