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Hartlepool (a)- League 1 29/09/07

Reports and reaction from the 2007-08 season as Walsall finished 12th in League 1
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:44 pm

we have pace on both flanks and upfront with Deeney.

Come on you whites , up the super saddlers

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:47 pm

Come on You SUPER SADDLERS!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:00 pm

No Kearns on Saddlersworld - hooray!

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:01 pm

Get the subs on Merson

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:02 pm

Come on lads, prove us wrong.

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:08 pm

According to the BBC Butler not even on the bench - it's Bradley????

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:11 pm

WM make me loff. :lol:

Home of live football , yeah is your a dingle :twisted:

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:12 pm

I think that's a very positive team selection. Dobbo should help protect the back four with help from Mattis who, (If he is a box to box player) should provide support for the front two as well. We know what Asbo and Sonko can do and I've been looking forward to seeing Mooney and Deeny together. The experience and hold up play of Mooney should, I repeat should, work well with Deeney's pace and eye for goal.

Not convinced with Wrack at right back but as I haven't seen him play there I'll go along with it.

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:13 pm

Bernie wrote:Team:
Ince
Wrack
Gerrard
Dann
Fox
Sonko
Dobson
Mattis
Ishmel
Mooney
Deeney

Weston and Butler dropped, Ishmel and Deeney in. At last.


Looks a more balanced side to me. Pace on either wing and (hopefully) players who can complement one another in central midfield and up front. Not sure about Wrack at full back (especially behind Sonko) but it shows attacking intent at least.

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:14 pm

bright start , Mooney's gone close .

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:15 pm

Not convinced if you ask me.

At the beginning of the season (6 weeks ago) - no one would have picked this side. Desparate measures, trying to find some sort of formulae to stop the rot. Hope I'm wrong but all I can see is 2 or 3 nil defeat.

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Plastic Hawk wrote:
Bernie wrote:Team:
Ince
Wrack
Gerrard
Dann
Fox
Sonko
Dobson
Mattis
Ishmel
Mooney
Deeney

Weston and Butler dropped, Ishmel and Deeney in. At last.


Looks a more balanced side to me. Pace on either wing and (hopefully) players who can complement one another in central midfield and up front. Not sure about Wrack at full back (especially behind Sonko) but it shows attacking intent at least.


That's what I said Plastic. I hate it when people steal my thunder and undermine me :evil:





Leaving in a huff















:D :D :D

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:17 pm

VanZant wrote:According to the BBC Butler not even on the bench - it's Bradley????
Yes, that is what it says on the Match Live console. I suppose that means that Butler is not dropped, but is ill or injured. Unless he is going to do a Sonner (I wish).

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Goose277 wrote:
Plastic Hawk wrote:
Bernie wrote:Team:
Ince
Wrack
Gerrard
Dann
Fox
Sonko
Dobson
Mattis
Ishmel
Mooney
Deeney

Weston and Butler dropped, Ishmel and Deeney in. At last.


Looks a more balanced side to me. Pace on either wing and (hopefully) players who can complement one another in central midfield and up front. Not sure about Wrack at full back (especially behind Sonko) but it shows attacking intent at least.


That's what I said Plastic. I hate it when people steal my thunder and undermine me :evil:

Leaving in a huff

:D :D :D


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You said it first - if anyone's had their thunder stolen (and should be leaving in a huff) it's me! :wink:

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:25 pm

WM said we're in control :shock:

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:26 pm

Goose277 wrote:I think that's a very positive team selection. Dobbo should help protect the back four with help from Mattis who, (If he is a box to box player) should provide support for the front two as well. We know what Asbo and Sonko can do and I've been looking forward to seeing Mooney and Deeny together. The experience and hold up play of Mooney should, I repeat should, work well with Deeney's pace and eye for goal.

Not convinced with Wrack at right back but as I haven't seen him play there I'll go along with it.

UP THE SADDLERS


It is a very positive selection. Finally Ish gets a start, Deeney back in.

It does worry me tho that he doesnt want to start these players at home. Young players can really benefit from playing in front of their own fans as opposed to away from home, it can build their confidence really well.

I'm convinced Money tells his players to ignore Walsall fans when playing at bescot, I reckon he tells the players the fans at home get on the players backs too easily - tell them to block it out, this then makes our players nervous. The way he blames the fans in the media is indicative of his attitude, and I wouldn't be surprise if he says similar stuff to the players.

It would explain the nervous, boring home performances, and the more attacking and adventurous selections and tactics away from home.

If we lose today, what odds on Deeney & ish starting at home next week?

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philthesaddler wrote:
Goose277 wrote:I think that's a very positive team selection. Dobbo should help protect the back four with help from Mattis who, (If he is a box to box player) should provide support for the front two as well. We know what Asbo and Sonko can do and I've been looking forward to seeing Mooney and Deeny together. The experience and hold up play of Mooney should, I repeat should, work well with Deeney's pace and eye for goal.

Not convinced with Wrack at right back but as I haven't seen him play there I'll go along with it.

UP THE SADDLERS


It is a very positive selection. Finally Ish gets a start, Deeney back in.

It does worry me tho that he doesnt want to start these players at home. Young players can really benefit from playing in front of their own fans as opposed to away from home, it can build their confidence really well.

I'm convinced Money tells his players to ignore Walsall fans when playing at bescot, I reckon he tells the players the fans at home get on the players backs too easily - tell them to block it out, this then makes our players nervous. The way he blames the fans in the media is indicative of his attitude, and I wouldn't be surprise if he says similar stuff to the players.

It would explain the nervous, boring home performances, and the more attacking and adventurous selections and tactics away from home.

If we lose today, what odds on Deeney & ish starting at home next week?


If this is the case why don't our fans try and prove him wrong?

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:32 pm

Thought butler looked better then the sluggish and overweight mooney last week, i would have gone weston at right back still, and butler instead of mooney. Is mcdermott on the bench.

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Young_Tong wrote:
philthesaddler wrote:
Goose277 wrote:I think that's a very positive team selection. Dobbo should help protect the back four with help from Mattis who, (If he is a box to box player) should provide support for the front two as well. We know what Asbo and Sonko can do and I've been looking forward to seeing Mooney and Deeny together. The experience and hold up play of Mooney should, I repeat should, work well with Deeney's pace and eye for goal.

Not convinced with Wrack at right back but as I haven't seen him play there I'll go along with it.

UP THE SADDLERS


It is a very positive selection. Finally Ish gets a start, Deeney back in.

It does worry me tho that he doesnt want to start these players at home. Young players can really benefit from playing in front of their own fans as opposed to away from home, it can build their confidence really well.

I'm convinced Money tells his players to ignore Walsall fans when playing at bescot, I reckon he tells the players the fans at home get on the players backs too easily - tell them to block it out, this then makes our players nervous. The way he blames the fans in the media is indicative of his attitude, and I wouldn't be surprise if he says similar stuff to the players.

It would explain the nervous, boring home performances, and the more attacking and adventurous selections and tactics away from home.

If we lose today, what odds on Deeney & ish starting at home next week?


If this is the case why don't our fans try and prove him wrong?


All fans get on players backs if they're not doin well. It happens at Anfield, Old trafford..etc but the difference is you can't hear it there. We're so close to the pitch they hear everything.

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Goose277 wrote:
Young_Tong wrote:
philthesaddler wrote:
Goose277 wrote:I think that's a very positive team selection. Dobbo should help protect the back four with help from Mattis who, (If he is a box to box player) should provide support for the front two as well. We know what Asbo and Sonko can do and I've been looking forward to seeing Mooney and Deeny together. The experience and hold up play of Mooney should, I repeat should, work well with Deeney's pace and eye for goal.

Not convinced with Wrack at right back but as I haven't seen him play there I'll go along with it.

UP THE SADDLERS


It is a very positive selection. Finally Ish gets a start, Deeney back in.

It does worry me tho that he doesnt want to start these players at home. Young players can really benefit from playing in front of their own fans as opposed to away from home, it can build their confidence really well.

I'm convinced Money tells his players to ignore Walsall fans when playing at bescot, I reckon he tells the players the fans at home get on the players backs too easily - tell them to block it out, this then makes our players nervous. The way he blames the fans in the media is indicative of his attitude, and I wouldn't be surprise if he says similar stuff to the players.

It would explain the nervous, boring home performances, and the more attacking and adventurous selections and tactics away from home.

If we lose today, what odds on Deeney & ish starting at home next week?


If this is the case why don't our fans try and prove him wrong?


All fans get on players backs if they're not doin well. It happens at Anfield, Old trafford..etc but the difference is you can't hear it there. We're so close to the pitch they hear everything.


Fair point. Apparently we just missed our best chance of the half from Mooney. Sonko's cross.

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Because Tong, unless the players show passion, pride, play adventurous football at speed, then the fans wont respond.

The problem is, Money's football last season was prodominantly slow, predictable and boring, but because it was against poor sides it resulted in victories. So last seasons football kinda killed off some of the atmosphere, and this seasons football has cremated it.

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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:35 pm

we are out of the drop zone!! temorarily ( ok i cant spell )

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Every ground in the country has fans who will moan and groan and make no noise if their team is playing poorly, whether its london road or anfield.

Fans come to be entertained, and if they aint entertained they wont respond.

DD has to realise he's in the entertainment business, if he wants the fans to show their appreciation to the team, then the team has to do something decent first.

I mean, you dont go to the theatre and stand up and clap at the beginning do you?

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philthesaddler wrote:Because Tong, unless the players show passion, pride, play adventurous football at speed, then the fans wont respond.

The problem is, Money's football last season was prodominantly slow, predictable and boring, but because it was against poor sides it resulted in victories. So last seasons football kinda killed off some of the atmosphere, and this seasons football has cremated it.


So what you're saying is that DD's comments to the players to make them nervous are well justified because He doesn't want his team to attack gung ho?

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Young_Tong wrote:
philthesaddler wrote:Because Tong, unless the players show passion, pride, play adventurous football at speed, then the fans wont respond.

The problem is, Money's football last season was prodominantly slow, predictable and boring, but because it was against poor sides it resulted in victories. So last seasons football kinda killed off some of the atmosphere, and this seasons football has cremated it.


So what you're saying is that DD's comments to the players to make them nervous are well justified because He doesn't want his team to attack gung ho?


Well not quite, what Im saying is he feels the fans are overly critical - we know that from numerous comments hes made - and I just feel he passes that on to the players, which in turn makes them nervous.

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Young_Tong wrote:
philthesaddler wrote:Because Tong, unless the players show passion, pride, play adventurous football at speed, then the fans wont respond.

The problem is, Money's football last season was prodominantly slow, predictable and boring, but because it was against poor sides it resulted in victories. So last seasons football kinda killed off some of the atmosphere, and this seasons football has cremated it.


So what you're saying is that DD's comments to the players to make them nervous are well justified because He doesn't want his team to attack gung ho?


dont mean to but in but do we have the players to play gung ho? it takes them long enough to get up with play let alone get back wen we lose the ball.

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Sadders wrote:Thought butler looked better then the sluggish and overweight mooney last week, i would have gone weston at right back still, and butler instead of mooney. Is mcdermott on the bench.


He is indeed, along with Bradley. That'll top up the quota of fake tan on the bench then!! :roll:

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Jolly Johnny wrote:
Sadders wrote:Thought butler looked better then the sluggish and overweight mooney last week, i would have gone weston at right back still, and butler instead of mooney. Is mcdermott on the bench.


He is indeed, along with Bradley. That'll top up the quota of fake tan on the bench then!! :roll:


So who is on the bench?

Some people have just texted WM asking whats happened to Danny Sonner :lol:

I think I might text in and ask why Simon Osborn isn't starting.

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philthesaddler wrote:
Young_Tong wrote:
philthesaddler wrote:Because Tong, unless the players show passion, pride, play adventurous football at speed, then the fans wont respond.

The problem is, Money's football last season was prodominantly slow, predictable and boring, but because it was against poor sides it resulted in victories. So last seasons football kinda killed off some of the atmosphere, and this seasons football has cremated it.


So what you're saying is that DD's comments to the players to make them nervous are well justified because He doesn't want his team to attack gung ho?


Well not quite, what Im saying is he feels the fans are overly critical - we know that from numerous comments hes made - and I just feel he passes that on to the players, which in turn makes them nervous.


I agree that he is overly critical of our fans and at times I feel he uses us as a scapegoat for the lack of quality on the pitch however, I also think that fans can be overly critical of players which lends credit to DD's comments about us.

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philthesaddler wrote:
Jolly Johnny wrote:
Sadders wrote:Thought butler looked better then the sluggish and overweight mooney last week, i would have gone weston at right back still, and butler instead of mooney. Is mcdermott on the bench.


He is indeed, along with Bradley. That'll top up the quota of fake tan on the bench then!! :roll:


So who is on the bench?

Some people have just texted WM asking whats happened to Danny Sonner :lol:

I think I might text in and ask why Simon Osborn isn't starting.


Or maybe text in and ask where Jimmy or Fryatt are today!! :lol:

Bench is: Bossu, Weston, Bradley, McDermott, Hall

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