Bournemouth (A) J P Trophy 1st Round Tuesday 4/9/07.

[Plastic Hawk]

Well, yes and no. It's just over 1 in 4, which isn't that impressive. But most of his appearances are as sub so I guess it's really closer to 1 in 2, 1 in 3, which would be more impressive. But all but one of his (nine) goals have been scored in League 2. What would also worry me is that he's 22 (today in fact - Happy Birthday Spencer) and has only played 33 league games. That suggests that he's injured a lot - another reason to think twice about signing him.

Or has just spent too long sitting on his backside in the hope of getting a game at Forest, before eventually giving up. As you say, there are concerns. He wouldn't have been my first choice by a long shot, but he'd have offered more than the Canary has as I do believe it was that sort of quick nippy player that could offer us the added dimension of pace and movement up front.

That's the benefit of hindsight I guess though to be honest. I see no point in rambling on about it now as its too late, its now a question of what we can do from here as we've not invented time machines as far as I'm aware.

Almost certainly better than Carniero as you say. But that would apply to most professional strikers in the country based on his performance so far!! I also agree that we need to look at potential targets for now rather than looking back to what we may have missed out on.

[philthesaddler]

I think some people are getting the wrong end of the stick.

Despite missing chances we are scoring enough goals to win games (apart from tonight!) or at least pick up points. We are just making pathetic defensive errors which we weren't last season.

Cut those out before worrying about the other end in my opinion.

Eh? 3 in 6. At BEST that could only win us half the games we played.

:?

And? So you wouldn't be happy if we won half of our games?! ;)

The fact is the defence is much more of a concern than scoring. You only need to score one goal to win 3 points. When we've stopped conceding (like last season) we can concentrate on missing less chances, cos we're creating all right.

Face it, the people who moaned about the defensive football have got their wish. We're playing a more open game and it's costing us.

Hope you're happy.....I'll set the counter...:P

Marks got a point, if we get the defence sorted, the rest will come. At the moment we are conceding far, far too easily. Two last night, Two last satdy, 3 the satdy before... so on. Stop that, and we'll start picking up draws/nicking wins.

It's funny, because I thought the defence would be the strongest part of the team going on last seasons clean-sheet heaven, and the good summer signings in that area.

[Stu]

I think some people are getting the wrong end of the stick.

Despite missing chances we are scoring enough goals to win games (apart from tonight!) or at least pick up points. We are just making pathetic defensive errors which we weren't last season.

Cut those out before worrying about the other end in my opinion.

Eh? 3 in 6. At BEST that could only win us half the games we played.

:?

Dave, if we won 50% of the games, we'd be virtually guaranteed a Play Off spot, as that would be 23 wins which is 69 points...

A manager with a 50% win record is a bloody good manager. Look at Martin Allen, he has had 3 full seasons and his teams have finished 3rd (Brentford), 4th (Brentford) and 4th (MK Dongs) losing in the Play Offs each time.

However his win record is 45%, 83 wins in 184 matches. Money's last season was 45% as well.

[sack]

Usually.

So DD says we where awful/not good enough/won't win any thing playing like that. Well isn't that what we have been saying for 4 weeks. I presume all the clappers are going to have a right go now, come on lads where's the thread calling DD a trofing pig/idiot/doom and gloom mergent. Or is it OK to have a opinion now mister money says you can. go on your allowed now fill your boats, or just keep right on dreaming boys. No midfielders in, no chance.

I'm assuming that DD didn't say that we'd definitely get relegated? Or am I wrong?

[Plastic Hawk]

Usually.

So DD says we where awful/not good enough/won't win any thing playing like that. Well isn't that what we have been saying for 4 weeks. I presume all the clappers are going to have a right go now, come on lads where's the thread calling DD a trofing pig/idiot/doom and gloom mergent. Or is it OK to have a opinion now mister money says you can. go on your allowed now fill your boats, or just keep right on dreaming boys. No midfielders in, no chance.

I'm assuming that DD didn't say that we'd definitely get relegated? Or am I wrong?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[big baz 1]

:twisted:

[sack]

being serious mate, i didn't say we would get definately get relogated either, i've consistantly sed, if we don't significantly strengthen midfield in the next momth, we would. I actually think our strike force, wingers and defence are plenty good enough for a upper mid table finish. but our strikers can't score when they are constantly dropping back to try to get the ball, our wingers can't create when there never given the ball properly, and our defence can't cope when the ball is constantly comeing straight back at them ALL the time. if you were there look at the differance between them with and with out sick note.

Usually.

So DD says we where awful/not good enough/won't win any thing playing like that. Well isn't that what we have been saying for 4 weeks. I presume all the clappers are going to have a right go now, come on lads where's the thread calling DD a trofing pig/idiot/doom and gloom mergent. Or is it OK to have a opinion now mister money says you can. go on your allowed now fill your boats, or just keep right on dreaming boys. No midfielders in, no chance.

I'm assuming that DD didn't say that we'd definitely get relegated? Or am I wrong?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[tinned]

I think some people are getting the wrong end of the stick.

Despite missing chances we are scoring enough goals to win games (apart from tonight!) or at least pick up points. We are just making pathetic defensive errors which we weren't last season.

Cut those out before worrying about the other end in my opinion.

Eh? 3 in 6. At BEST that could only win us half the games we played.

:?

Dave, if we won 50% of the games, we'd be virtually guaranteed a Play Off spot, as that would be 23 wins which is 69 points...

A manager with a 50% win record is a bloody good manager. Look at Martin Allen, he has had 3 full seasons and his teams have finished 3rd (Brentford), 4th (Brentford) and 4th (MK Dongs) losing in the Play Offs each time.

However his win record is 45%, 83 wins in 184 matches. Money's last season was 45% as well.

Stu, I know that winning half the games would be more than acceptable. But I did say we could only win 50% at BEST. i.e. scoring 3 in 6 would, at the very most, give you a 50% win ratio IF the other teams didn't score against you. In reality scoring every other game gets you a relegation place (wow, just like we've currently got).

[Stu]

Maybe I took it a tad too literal then. :roll:

[Bernie]

No match report yet?

It would be interesting to read what the match was really like.

[Ned_Kelly]

No match report yet?

It would be interesting to read what the match was really like.

C rap 1st half, better second half. Lost. Sound familier :(

[WFC_Rob]

Similarly, what about the money earned from a promotion won by a 20-goal striker? Of course, I don't expect us to spend big given our previous record, but he's more of an idiot than people have often suggested if he thinks it's impossible to make money by paying for players.

Right. Could you provide me with a list of players that we could sign and compete with other clubs for wages and transfer fees that will guarantee 20 goals and a promotion?

No. It is impossible.

We spoke to lots of strikers capable of scoring that many goals. Clubs with bigger fanbases and higher ticket prices offered bigger wages. Simple economics.

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The fact that the best we got was a Z-list Portuguese nobody shows that we're not paying enough.

R u actually agreeing now that he isnt good enough WFC Rob ? it wasnt that long ago when you were slagging someone off for saying that he was no good !!

That was because people were giving him a right load of abuse after playing just one game. No player deserves that unless they individually cost the team points. I was suggesting that people give him the benefit of the doubt. Sine then however, I've seen him a couple more times myself as well as reading and hearing match reports from people I believe to be fairly respectable and with less of an axe to grind than some. I now feel (as I have always suspected but didn't feel obliged to say) that he isn't good enough. I stand by what I said originally though - he shouldn't be verbally battered from pillar to post.