Leyton Orient (A) League - Saturday 18th August 2007

[loop]

Final whistle :cry:

Sounds as though we played well and had some good chances.

[sj]

Good old game we just lacked a bit of Umphh

[Sadders]

Dons equalised 3-3 . . Last Minute

[futuresobright]

Mr Touchy's ridiculous strategy of only using Ishy as an 'impact player' when we are losing, means that when he comes on he has no time to settle into the game but is expected to go at everything full throttle and save the day. Ishy needs the opportunity to contribute to the team over 90 minutes. He needs time on the field, week in week out, to learn about league football, not the occasional few minutes to liven things up.
At the moment we are outside the relegation zone only thanks to Leeds' 15 point deduction. Three games, one goal. Out of the Carling Cup. Hey maybe our manager is not the genius UTS the 'happy clappers' think he is.

[Welsh_Saddler]

Some match stats (according to the BBC)

Possession....... Leyton Orient 55% Walsall 45%
Shots on target. 8 3
Shots off target 1 6
Corners 5 9
Fouls committed 11 18

Bookings 1 3

[Sadders]

Dd , to lose his job this season . . we're getting relegeated . . and its only 3 games in :shock:

[addo]

Mr Touchy's ridiculous strategy of only using Ishy as an 'impact player' when we are losing, means that when he comes on he has no time to settle into the game but is expected to go at everything full throttle and save the day. Ishy needs the opportunity to contribute to the team over 90 minutes. He needs time on the field, week in week out, to learn about league football, not the occasional few minutes to liven things up.
At the moment we are outside the relegation zone only thanks to Leeds' 15 point deduction. Three games, one goal. Out of the Carling Cup. Hey maybe our manager is not the genius UTS the 'happy clappers' think he is.

How can you comment on Ishys contribution if you were not there ?

I see that he came on after an hour and was booked for a late tackle within 15 minutes.

Maybe the manager is right to limit his time on the pitch until he can be trusted to stay on it.

[Sadders]

Leeds winning :(

[Young_Tong]

Mr Touchy's ridiculous strategy of only using Ishy as an 'impact player' when we are losing, means that when he comes on he has no time to settle into the game but is expected to go at everything full throttle and save the day. Ishy needs the opportunity to contribute to the team over 90 minutes. He needs time on the field, week in week out, to learn about league football, not the occasional few minutes to liven things up.
At the moment we are outside the relegation zone only thanks to Leeds' 15 point deduction. Three games, one goal. Out of the Carling Cup. Hey maybe our manager is not the genius UTS the 'happy clappers' think he is.

We sit at 19th, technically joint 16th on total points with exactly the same goal difference as Northampton (in 16th). 2 games out of 46 played. A little early to be your doom and gloom self I think.

I agree with your comments about Demontagnac though.

[tape66]

Mr Touchy's ridiculous strategy of only using Ishy as an 'impact player' when we are losing, means that when he comes on he has no time to settle into the game but is expected to go at everything full throttle and save the day. Ishy needs the opportunity to contribute to the team over 90 minutes. He needs time on the field, week in week out, to learn about league football, not the occasional few minutes to liven things up.
At the moment we are outside the relegation zone only thanks to Leeds' 15 point deduction. Three games, one goal. Out of the Carling Cup. Hey maybe our manager is not the genius UTS the 'happy clappers' think he is.

Above poster = Tw@

[fez_the_saddler]

match report

http://www.leytonorient.premiumtv.co.uk ... 96,00.html

[Young_Tong]

Sounds fair. It once again highlights our impotence in front of goal!

[Zippy]

Let's not have too much of a downer folks, it is only the second game of the season.

Very early days, and do we expect to win every game at a higher level?

[Sadders]

Hence why i started my thread about tommy mooney, although we do look like we can't score.

[Jolly Johnny]

match report

http://www.leytonorient.premiumtv.co.uk ... 96,00.html

Despite the disappointing result, it sounds like we gave it quite a good go and played quite well overall, just lacking in front of goal. We had chances, in a hard game, against a team in form, at their place - so I hope this result doesn't just bring out all the doom mongers and countless threads about us being relegated already. :roll:

At least we have more points than Spurs did after two league games! :wink:

[Neil Ravenscroft]

It wasn't creating chances that was the problem, so the Ishy question is irrelevant, it was taking them:

http://www.steveroy.com/walsall/

[futuresobright]

Let's not have too much of a downer folks, it is only the second game of the season.

Very early days, and do we expect to win evety game at a higher level?

It is a bit worrying however and undoubtedly raises doubts about signings and pre-season preparation. Last time we were in this 'higher level' we won our opening two matches against Rotherham and Forest.

[tape66]

Let's not have too much of a downer folks, it is only the second game of the season.

Very early days, and do we expect to win evety game at a higher level?

It is a bit worrying however and undoubtedly raises doubts about signings and pre-season preparation. Last time we were in this 'higher level' we won our opening two matches against Rotherham and Forest.

Yea, and got relegated due to having two really great managers.

[Sadders]

Maybe a drawing start and a losing start reverses that so we get better through the season. Perhaps a winning start contrasts and you get relegated at the end of that season.

[LancsSaddler]

we need a new centre mid as sonner was awful today (dont know what match the fat controller was watching!), maybe some competition would make him buck his ideas up. could maybe try wrack there or bradley (who looked very nervous today which is understandable but has a nice touch).

we also either need to try deeney or nicholls with mooney or get a new striker in until butler is fit. carnerio has some nice touches but looks very nervous, i do think that if he managed to get a goal he may calm down and be more effective.

overall a good performance, just without that killer touch infront of goal.

[Registered Saddler]

I wasn't there but it sounds like it was another encouraging performance, proving that we are going to be a match for sides at this level. If the worry is about not having a natural goal-poacher, then where is the harm in trying Deeney? For all his lack of experience, he has scored goals for fun at whatever level he's played at. Stick him in for four or five games, it won't do him any harm.

[fensaddler]

Sounds like on another day we could easily have won this - a good away performance except in the fundamental basic of sticking the goal in the net. Certainly no need to panic, but it still sounds as if we are a goalscorer off being a good team at this level.

[Surrey Saddler]

We sort of deserved a point today - and would have got one if Caneiro had not blasted the ball wide when completely through...a disgraceful miss. Can't understand the Fat Controllers remarks about Sonner. I thought he played quite well in the first half but faded in the second. As for chances.. I counted only three. Time for action Mr Bonsor/Money or there won't be much to look forward to this season

[Bernie]

By all accounts we played pretty well today, although we lost.

Last season in many matches we played pretty badly but won. They say these things even out over a season, although they certainly did not last year - I hope we are not going to have the reverse of last year's fortunes this season.

While I would obviously prefer us to play badly and win than play well and lose - it is a least a good sign that even on the Orient board most fans think we were the better team.

[priestley_saddler]

Went to the game today, and I think the Fat Controllers report is pretty accurate, except Sonner for MOTM. The most annoying part today for me (apart from the bloke behind me who for some reason kept shouting that he hated Tottenham :? ), was the amount of stick that Carlos took from sections of our fans. The guy is never going to be a world beater, if he was then he wouldn't be playing for us.

The highlight for me was getting in for a kid (I'm 22 for crying out loud). I was also impressed with the build up play we showed and how solid we looked at the back. We actually got to play our first choice back 4, and the signs are encouraging as this was only their first game together as a unit. The obvious lack of goals is already a worry with neither Carlos or Mooney looking like scoring regularly enough for us. As the Fat Controller said, we're a striker short of being a very good team at this level.

Overall though we played quite well and on another day could have taken something from the game, on the other hand a different ref would have sent Scott Dann off for his cynical penalty foul (even though it was outside the box) and we'd have had to play an hour with ten men and lost anyway, so guess it evens itself out.


Ince - Handled well, wasted one or two kicks, superb double save from the penalty. Didn't have many other save to make.
Weston - Very impressive debut, his covering run was the reason Scott Dann stayed on the pitch. looked disappointed to come off but can understand why DD did it, can't wait to see how good he is when he's match fit. Did have one shot in the second half from about 40 yards that went about 10 yards wide, Carneiro would have been slaughtered if he'd done that!!
Boertien - I think I was one of the few people not overly impressed by him last week, he seemed to fart about with the ball in dangerous positions too much. Today though, much improved and, like Weston, looks like he will be a very good player for us.
Roper - Typical Ropes, solid but unspectacular. Again, will get sharper the more he plays.
Dann - Didn't look as assured as normal, think the penalty decision knocked his confidence. As i've said above, very lucky to have stayed on the pitch. Had a Leyton player done what he did I think we'd have all been spitting feathers. Had Carneiro commited such a cynical foul he'd have been slaughtered for it!!
Hall - In my opinion, the only player who played better in the second half. My only gripe would be that he's supposed to be a winger, and he failed to beat his man once.
Wrack - Better all round performance than last week, played in three different positions over the course of the game, and did a job in all of them. Again, failed to beat his man when on the wing. Just gets my MOTM vote.
Dobson - Thought this was one of his better games, made a few forward runs, especially in the first half. Broke up play well and helped mmake the midfield look solid. Unlucky to be taken off.
Sonner - The weaker of the two midfielders, I'd have replaced him and left Dobson on. Delivery from set pieces was poor, they lack pace, even if anyone gets a head on it they're having to generate all their own power. Carneiro would have been slaughtered if his set pieces were this bad.
Mooney - Quiet, and often played too deep. Had a couple of snap shots which flew wide, and a couple of headers which didn't trouble their keeper. Carneiro would have been slaughtered if he'd have missed that many chances.
Carneiro - As I may have hinted at already, I feel quite sorry for the guy. He struggles when the ball is played up to him in the air, partly because he's too busy looking at the man he's challenging than the ball he's supposed to be winning, a tactic which earned him his booking. Think he'd play better in an attacking midfield role behind a front two. Missed our best chance by snatching at it when I was willing him to score to shut the moaners up. Carneiro would have been slaughtered if....oh.

Subs

Ishmel - Did something no other player managed, he ran at his man. Tracked back well and did look more disciplined. No complaints with booking, but was a typical wingers tackle as opposed to being malicious. Should have done better with injury time chance, Carneiro would have been.....
Bradley - First time I can remember seeing him play, and was quite impressed. Looks to have a big future and, providing we develop him and use him properly this season, looks like he could be a replacement for Sonner when he retires in the summer.

[Welsh_Saddler]

Thanks for that report Priestley - lots of relevant information, and much appreciated. :)

[Bernie]

Thanks a lot for the great report.

The most annoying part today for me was the amount of stick that Carlos took from sections of our fans. The guy is never going to be a world beater, if he was then he wouldn't be playing for us.

That is ridiculous. I admit that I was sceptical about signing Carneiro because of his goal-scoring record and age, but it is absolutely terrible that he is getting stick from travelling fans. He is on the payroll for 12 months so we really ought to give him every chance to show us what he can do - and not get on his back so early.

[Stephen]

(Haven't read the whole thread).

What kit did the Super Saddlers play in?

Anyone for Ishmel to start? I heard he is trying badly in this game. I thought he would start from the off this year. Still, early days.

[redsaddler]

(Haven't read the whole thread).

What kit did the Super Saddlers play in?

Anyone for Ishmel to start? I heard he is trying badly in this game. I thought he would start from the off this year. Still, early days.

Yellow and blue again.

I would definitely give Ishmel a start against Swansea next week.

[sj]

Priestly--- is your dad Portugese. Abrigado :wink: