Carlisle (H) League 1- Saturday 11th August 2007

[Exile]

Dongs were 1-0 up against Bury but they've conceded a penalty which was scored and now they're 2-1 down at home.
Scorer of both goals....................one Andy Bishop.
And they've now had a player sent off!! :lol:


And i just noticed the Wheelbarrow has scored!! :shock:

Last thing on the MK Dong matchconsole:

"90:00
(1:53) Cross by Mark Wright(Milton Keynes Dons), resulting in ball out of play." :lol:

[Neuromantic]

Dongs were 1-0 up against Bury but they've conceded a penalty which was scored and now they're 2-1 down at home.
Scorer of both goals....................one Andy Bishop.
And they've now had a player sent off!! :lol:


And i just noticed the Wheelbarrow has scored!! :shock:

Last thing on the MK Dong matchconsole:

"90:00
(1:53) Cross by Mark Wright(Milton Keynes Dons), resulting in ball out of play." :lol:

Well that makes my day that bit more better :D

I think these first 3 or 4 games are about gelling and getting used to the step up. Also; the inevitable introduction of Ishmel and Sonko and maybe even Sillah might completely polarize how we play. Im not going to read too much into these first 5 or so games therefore.

[Exile]

I think these first 3 or 4 games are about gelling and getting used to the step up. Also; the inevitable introduction of Ishmel and Sonko and maybe even Sillah might completely polarize how we play. Im not going to read too much into these first 5 or so games therefore.

You won't see Shonko for a while, he's crocked.

[Neuromantic]

I think these first 3 or 4 games are about gelling and getting used to the step up. Also; the inevitable introduction of Ishmel and Sonko and maybe even Sillah might completely polarize how we play. Im not going to read too much into these first 5 or so games therefore.

You won't see Shonko for a while, he's crocked.

I know, Im in America :P



:D

[PerStener]

one point was pretty much what I expected us to get so I'm quite satisfied with the result.

Couldn't listen much on the match since I was busy at work :x

[coxy_saddler]

1st half we wasn't there! 2nd was ALOT better..We played some nice stuff..mooney took his goal well we looked alright. Dann was solid quality performance by him..Incey too..Wrack actually took people on ! Thought we could of nicked the 3 points but a point will do.

[BathSaddler]

I think these first 3 or 4 games are about gelling and getting used to the step up. Also; the inevitable introduction of Ishmel and Sonko and maybe even Sillah might completely polarize how we play. Im not going to read too much into these first 5 or so games therefore.

You won't see Shonko for a while, he's crocked.

If ever, frankly. :roll:

[stefano123]

http://www.saddlers.premiumtv.co.uk/pag ... 28,00.html

if the table looks like that at the end of the season i shall be more than happy!

[latviancheese]

Well first of all, what a boring match, with suprise ,suprise a knob of a referee.

Once again fox was anonymous in the first half but did a bit better second half, not that that was hard.

We're in for a very unentertaining season, no pace, nicholls maybe quick but has no footballing brain. Hopefully he can learn that. deeney didnt have much chance to do anything when he came on.

How did wrack win Motm? went on a few mazy runs but was painfully slow, and he cant play anyone offside for the life of him.


Ince- Solid, didnt have alot to do, lucky when he ran the wrong way for a cross, that no one was there.
Wrack- Dodgy right back, can be used on the wing i feel, did more than paul hall in the second half.
Dann - solid kept it tidy, went on a few random runs.
Gerrard - ditto, except for a few lapses of concentration
Boertien- Good, when he stops trying to fart about with the ball
Fox- he went from a bad sunady league footballer, to a good sunday league footballer in the second half. Put some decent crosses in.
Dobson- Tackled well, in the second half.
Sonner - passsed it nicely played well, shame he cant head.
Hall - Average, didnt do alot really. Crossed nicely when he had the chance.
Carneiro- Was trying to the same thing as mooney, when he runs inteligently he gets into space well. Cant win headers, he didnt have a shot all game.
Mooney- Despite being not that tall, wins everything pretty much, controls it, and passes it well. Painfully slow, but still has more footballing ability than the rest of the team put together.

Subs

Nicholls- Cant cross, cant pass, lazy. Can just run, reminds me of Mark Wright, but when he can be arsed nicholls can tackle.
Deeney- Like mooney but with pace.


I thought Carlisle where even worse than us today, should of beaten them.

[fensaddler]

We didn't turn up for the first half hour and Carlisle were all over us - and rightly took the lead on the balance of play. As time went on, and particularly in the second half, we were much better, with a lot of overlapping wing play. Hall tired but Nicholls came on and did well. Mooney was still running right until the end and looked very good - Boertein was very good and the centre backs got better as the match went on. The frustration was that the match was there for the taking, and had we had Ish to bring on, I think we could have won it.

[Four Oaks Saddler]

3-1. Sonner, Mooney & Fox.

He's got a powerful shot has Fox but he's unlikely to score from as far away as the halfway line. :P

Having seen Fox's performance, I realise that was something of a rash prediction!!

[Evo Boozy Saddler]

How did wrack win Motm?

I think Aldridge Steve and Dancing snook onto the voting panel. Anyone see them at voting time? :D

[Four Oaks Saddler]

As suggested by others, we were poor in the first half. I felt Ince was at fault for the goal in failing to come out and make the chance harder for Gall.

Second half was much improved and if we can play like that every week, then we should be OK.

[NeechezTheSaddler]

It was a very similar performance to the Villa one.

First half - pretty awful, couldn't string any passes together. Mooney and Carneiro both wanting to play the same position, Wrack being given hell and Fox being as adventurous as a brick. We were outclassed - although ther goal only came after Ince made a poor decision leaving the striker one-on-one to bury it.

Second half - we turned it on, even though I still don't feel the strike partnership worked they both played a lot better, with a very neat finish from Mooney. The whole team got a lift. Fox and Boertian wreaking havok on the left with the pace of Nicholls on the right. Dobbo and Sonner came into the game and we were playing very tidy pass-and-move football.

Positives: Defense. Although a lack of communication cost us the goal Gerrard was on form and Dann was simply marvellous. Boertien didn't let anything past him and Wrack was under nowhere near the same pressure in the second half.

Cons: Ince's lack of decisions. I love him, he's an awesome keeper but we saw it a few times last season when balls over the top should have been collected by Ince only for him to be glued to his line.
- The strike partnership was less than good. I felt they linked up nicely and individually had good games they just don't look like scoring often.
- Wrack can be found out against good wingers, I can't see him as a permanent right-back

MotM - Got to be Dann he was outstanding. Nothing got past him, looked calm on the ball and had good distribution.

Good, Loud crowd (after we scored) aswell.

[dler]

A suggestion.

Could Mr Money please give his half time talk before the game starts. We might then actually have a good first half.

[Spenco]

It's all about opinions...Here's mine

Ince: Caught nearly everything, a few good saves, only a couple of dodgy kicks.

Wrack: It's not his natural position so thought he did ok, especially when going forward.

Gerrard: Some wayward clearances, got better as the game wore on.

Dann: my joint man of the match with mooney..hardly put a foot wrong.

Boretein: Looks quality to me, will improve further when he gets fitter.

Hall: Slow, but didn't do too much wrong.

Dobson: Strong in the tackle, tried to switch play as often as possible.

Sonner: Simple and controlled play..no killer pass though!

Fox: Average...not a wide midfielder...Ishey to start here when back

Mooney: Considering he's 36, he gave his all in hot conditions...Best footballing brain on show.

Carneiro: Need to see more of him, we need to give him time and not get on his back. Good movement, simple passing mainly to a white and red shirt. mistimed a header in second half, else would have scored.

Nicholls: Reminded me a bit of Marc Rees today...open the gate at the floors to go end and he would run out with the ball!

Deeny: Didn't have much time, but didn't do anything wrong.


I'm sure people will disagree with these views, but that's the beauty of football :)

[latviancheese]

and why on earth is our new program. GREEN of all colours? Retarded.

[Darlosaddler]

Ince- No chance for the goal (Anyone know when he is going to learn to kick?)
Wrack- Dodgy!! no idea how he got man of the match, better 2nd half though.
Dann- Class!!
Gerrard- not bad
Boertien- Solid
Hall- Rubbish
Sonner- Won the ball and used it well.
Dobson- Same as sonner.
Fox- s**t
Mooney- held the ball up well he needed a pacy striker with him to link up with.
New useless lazy cheating diving striker- Do i need to say anymore?

In all a good 2nd half performance, the problems where, mooney was on his own and there was no link up man in midfield, dobbo and sonner are too similar.

[latviancheese]

Ince- No chance for the goal (Anyone know when he is going to learn to kick?)
Wrack- Dodgy!! no idea how he got man of the match, better 2nd half though.
Dann- Class!!
Gerrard- not bad
Boertien- Solid
Hall- Rubbish
Sonner- Won the ball and used it well.
Dobson- Same as sonner.
Fox- s**t
Mooney- held the ball up well he needed a pacy striker with him to link up with.
New useless lazy cheating diving striker- Do i need to say anymore?

In all a good 2nd half performance, the problems where, mooney was on his own and there was no link up man in midfield, dobbo and sonner are too similar.

Carneiro Didnt dive, didnt cheat all game :?[/b]

[Darlosaddler]

:lol: ok then

[Whitti Steve]

How did wrack win Motm?

I think Aldridge Steve and Dancing snook onto the voting panel. Anyone see them at voting time? :D

Not my doing - though apart from getting caught out a time or two, I thought he made the defence a little more "attacking" esp in the second half. Personally I would have given MOTM to either Mooney or Dann - Dann was absolute class again - I predict big money for him before the season is out!

MOTM might have had something to do with who the sponsors were today :wink: But then if you pay your money, it's your choice.

1st half average, 2nd half I thought we were fairly attack minded. Hall tired but had done well before that. Sonner did well too. I will look forward to reading how we do at Orient on here as I'm off on my jollies on Monday yeah!

[Bristol Fan]

A good game I thought, Carlisle excellent in the first half and us very poor, tables turned in the second. A bit worried by our midfield still and we need another man up front. Dann is turning into a superstar, MOTM today, Gerrard was good as well. Boertien looked really good, Wrack dodgy defensively but did well going forward. Everyone will slate Fox and he was dreadful in the first half but he played very well in the second, he was as good as anyone in fact. Hall drifted in and out (mostly out) and I really don't know that he's going to be able to cut it week in week out at his age, but the other two OAPs both played well, Sonner got forward a lot more than I thought he would and had high energy levels (though he is probably even slower than Dobson) and Mooney looked pretty sharp and scored a lovely goal. Dobson was pretty good in the second half, Money blamed him for the goal we conceded and went absolutely beserk at him for about 15 minutes continually afterwards. Carneiro looked more like Larossa than Leitao in terms of our Portugeuse-speaking imports, but of course it's early days. Nicholls certainly ran very quickly when he came on, but his decision-making over when to release the ball was just not there. Deeney didn't have time to do much. So, a solid start, I'm sure there'll be a new face or two yet. Was nice to see us really getting the ball down and playing in the second half, proving the doubters wrong I would suggest. Really good interplay between Boertien and Fox on the left hand side, which was where all of our creative play came from, much to my surprise.

[Burnside]

Positives
- Boertin, Dann, Gerrard and Wrack all seem comfortable and able to use the ball well.
- Wrack I thought had a good game but was maybe 2 or 3 in the MOTM race.
- We have points on the board

Negatives
- Foxy puts the effort in but it's not his fault that his ability renders him ineffective in that role.
- CM is very 1 Dimensional. No Killer Pass or Killer Ball.
- I'm not sure whether without more players like Ishy, Sonko, Sillah, McDermott, Nichools or Deeney on th at pitch - i.e legs, energy, pace we are going to create enough or score enough

Concerns
- The Mobility of our strike force. It would be a relative walk in the park to mark Caniero, Mooney compared to say Leitao or Ishy who are / always on the move.


And i thought Nicholls was okay when he came on lativan.

[Deano_Saddler]

Poor 1st half but much better 2nd half, i think we really need to give Ishmel a chance when he comes back from his ban because im not to keen on Fox. I thought Mooney, took his goal brilliantly.

[philthesaddler]

Game

Thought we played very poorly in the first half, created little, got embarassed by their running in behind us, showing us what a little bit of pace can do upfront. They also showed us what we're missing in midfield, Dobson and Sonner are very static, and spend most of their time fighting to get the ball back, because we've lost it because theres no one taking the ball forward and we just hoof it.

Players

Dann was tremendous. Wrack was poor at right back, Carneiro was ok, but offers nothing more than Mooney in my view, so why play him ahead of a youngster or Butler I dont know.

Fox was poor, again, Boertien did well, saved us a couple of times.

Referee

Very inconsistent. Gave a foul against Dobson for a shoulder charge just by the centre circle in the first half, then didnt penolise Aranalde for doing the same to Carneiro in the 2nd half.

Overall

A poor start to the season for me. Our weaknesses were shown up - as many have predicted we have no pace in the team whatsoever, the starting line up is arguable weaker than the one that started against Swindon - and we're still playing this long ball stuff! Time after time the ball went up to mooney, who did well to knock it on, but no one was on the knock down. It's stupid because one of the things that would make that tactic work is pace upfront, but we have none whatsoever so whenever Carneiro is sent off on a chase, or Mooney chases it down, theyre always going to lose.

We did the same as we did against Villa in midweek, the first 7 or 8 minutes of the 2nd half, we were storming forward, all over the opposition, then we stop. We need to find the balance between the complete and utter attacking ineptitude of the first half and the all-out urgent attack mini-period of the 2nd half. If we cant then we wont score many goals.

Overall a C-. I'd say Carlisle are a run of the mill side at this level, we're going to have to play with more consistency over the 90 minutes or we'll definately struggle this season.

[saddlesore]

Oh come on .The first half Carlise were everything we wern't...full of running- zippy - thoughtfully playing it into the channels & really looked like scoring on 3 or 4 occasions.They really out passed us with lots of movement off the ball.
Second half was a lot better with Mooney reminding me of Rammell - he ran his socks off - won nearly everthing in the air & generally gave their defendes a torrid time.Nicholls will progress nicely once he has gained some confidence as on 2 or 3 occasions he was a tad indecisive.Boertion was class & never wasted too many balls.Scott Dann was solid with that rare trait of bringing the ball out of defence & committing player thus opening the game up ala Bobby Moore.Fox? Well least said ...soonest mended!
We really need a box to box play maker with a good engine.

Generally not a bad start but once we have a few games under our belts we will have a clearer picture.Oh...& Ishy simply as to start

[KJC]

I was encouraged by our second half showing, although the first-half was a complete write-off!

Was quite impressed with Carlisle, they're nothing special, but their persistant use of the long-ball over-the-top was very effective at times!!

Ince - solid, dependable as ever
Boertien - impressive
Dann - Strong, showed a few classy touches too.
Gerrard - solid, but can't pass for toffee!
Wrack - Did well imho, confident on the ball, made a few good last ditch saving tackles too.
Fox - Lingers too long on the ball, take too long to decide what to do when in possession.
Dobson - sat infront of the back four for long periods, did his job well enough.
Sonner - Did well in possession, his use of the ball is pretty good. Quite concerned with his positioning and back-tracking of his opponant.
Hall - showed glimpses of what he is capable of. Will do better when not up against as classy a full-back as Zigor. :wink:
Mooney - Superb.... strong on the ball, great work rate, took his goal really well.
Caniero - Jury still out for me, did better later on, once the game had opened up, but cannot really say that he is an improvement on what was at the club already on this showing.

[Registered Saddler]

I think I must have turned up to the wrong game judging by some of the comments above. Oh no, come to think of it, I was at the game where the home fans were moaning 2 minutes into the season. It must have been Walsall.

Carlisle finished two places off the play-offs last year and they've strengthened the squad in the summer, despite the obvious devastating loss of Karl Hawley's mammoth 12-goal haul last season. They were a very competent passing side with movement, organisation and pace all over the pitch. In other words, streets ahead of most of the dross we saw last season.

First 30 minutes we were all over the place, particularly defensively where Wrack needed a hand against Kevin Gall but got no cover. Ince's fault for the goal again, just like it was for those last season where he was rooted to the line. I'd be interesting to see who let the runner go free though, or if it was just a badly misjudged offside trap.

From that point on, I thought we were in control. We imposed our gameplan on the match, passed the ball well, got it wide, brought the full-backs into it and had Mooney using all his nous as the fulcrum. A point in the first match of the season is a good base to work from and I think we can improve from here. On the basis of today, the season will go as most of us hoped - a year of consolidation with no worries about looking over our shoulder.

Oh. I forgot. We didn't have players in our team who can run really quick. That changes it all. We're rubbish and going down.

[Perko Snr]

It's all about opinions...Here's mine

Ince: Caught nearly everything, a few good saves, only a couple of dodgy kicks.

Wrack: It's not his natural position so thought he did ok, especially when going forward.

Gerrard: Some wayward clearances, got better as the game wore on.

Dann: my joint man of the match with mooney..hardly put a foot wrong.

Boretein: Looks quality to me, will improve further when he gets fitter.

Hall: Slow, but didn't do too much wrong.

Dobson: Strong in the tackle, tried to switch play as often as possible.

Sonner: Simple and controlled play..no killer pass though!

Fox: Average...not a wide midfielder...Ishey to start here when back

Mooney: Considering he's 36, he gave his all in hot conditions...Best footballing brain on show.

Carneiro: Need to see more of him, we need to give him time and not get on his back. Good movement, simple passing mainly to a white and red shirt. mistimed a header in second half, else would have scored.

Nicholls: Reminded me a bit of Marc Rees today...open the gate at the floors to go end and he would run out with the ball!

Deeny: Didn't have much time, but didn't do anything wrong.


I'm sure people will disagree with these views, but that's the beauty of football :)

Don't undersell youself Spenco, I agree with everything you say.

With Dann best player 1st half, but Mooney overall MOM for me and Fox as many have said, is not a wide midfielder, bring on Ishy. Fox to fight for leftback spot for me, but unlikely to get it on todays display.

[cyclothymic]

Well - to be honest our first match back in League 1, against a fancied side with a so called super emergency loanee, didn't go so bad.

First half we looked nervous - no surprises their as we are such a demanding bunch of fans.

Their goal? He beat the off-side trap and finished like we all dream of finishing.

We never looked like doing anything and my fear that we do not have a midfield seemed to be true.

Second half? Whatever DD says to them at half-time always seems to do the trick - suddenly we had something between defence and our two (very hard working) forwards. And we passed the ball like I have not seen a Walsall team do for quite a while. Mooney took his goal very well - finish must have been just about inch perfect between keepers fingers and the post.

My man-of-the-match was Mooney actually - on his 36th birthday, after 700 league appearences, he was still chasing everything into the 92nd minute.

Carlos looked good too - remember that it was his first 'in anger' match for us - I think we will see good things from him.

Our left back, who's name I have yet to learn to spell, is a class above!!!

Can anyone really tell me that the second half of today's match was not a joy to watch? We are the nervous new boys and we can do that! Just wait until we have settled in!

All hail DD and the Super Saddlers!