Stafford Rangers

[booster cogburn]

I hate pre-season friendlies. Over the years I have learned that these matches count for very little in terms of a pointer for how the season will pan out.

[Magic Man Fan]

Mooney a hat trick? Are my eyes deceiving me? How can a geriatric snail paced player get in the position to score three goals?

I heard it was was a perfect hat trick, one left foot, one right foot and one off his walking frame? :roll: :wink:

Against Stafford Rangers I might add. :twisted:

And lets face it, even Larossa scored goals in pre-season. Means very little really.

Yay, you both fell for it so I can reply with my planned, it doesn't matter who you're playing against, scoring goals is an art of being in the right place at the right time and being composed enough to finish.

Age, pace doesn't matter. It's something you can teach very easily or quickly to the likes of pacy, but vastly inexperienced Spencer Weir Daley.

Once again phil or anyone else, could you please tell me why Larossa not being picked by Merson is a statement that he wasn't good enough. He proved in every pre-season game he was yet I don't think was given one start under Merson and certainly not a run in the team so how can you quantify how good he was just because he didn't play?

His positioning on that first goal was a corker wasn't it, the way he hung backk from the penalty spot to hammer it home... Only the nous and experience of a wild old veteran would have told him to take that position up. :wink:

Yes, work is quiet today.

I was waiting for that. :lol:

[Registered Saddler]

The moaners amaze me.

Had we lost to Stafford Rangers and had Mooney had a stinker it would have been moan moan moan like the world is about to end.

Yes pre-season friendlies are completely meaningless in terms of results.

However, it is hugely encouraging to read that the club are looking at some impressive trialists, and that certain individuals whose capabilities have been questioned are looking fit and sharp.

That IS what pre-season is about. Might I also add its great to see Scott Dann, Ian Roper, Darren Wrack, and Nicholls back in the swing of things with no reaction. Like having 4 new players.

Funny isn't it? We draw 0-0 against Worcester and the moaners are out in force predicting a season of struggle. Mooney scores a hat-trick in the next match and suddenly those red-faced merchants of doom who have rubbished our transfer strategy all summer suddenly pipe up with "oh it was only Stafford" or "pre-season friendlies count for nothing". Can't have it both ways, chaps.

[Cheesebag]

Is it me or are there about 5 different arguments going on in this thread? :lol:

[Magic Man Fan]

Is it me or are there about 5 different arguments going on in this thread? :lol:

UTS at its best. :D

[Duke]

I hate pre-season friendlies. Over the years I have learned that these matches count for very little in terms of a pointer for how the season will pan out.

Its all about getting and keeping players fit , a bit of match practice , results performance as you say mean nothing.

Still nice to get a win under our belts . :wink:

[du tan]

Butler is my sticking point, on last nights performance it was "more of the same" :lol:

What, you mean tireless running, effort, and committment. Shocking. :roll:

I wasnt there (although I was on Sunday). Apparently last night, Butler won a penalty, which Mooney converted, and the keeper saved a shot of Butlers (that was going in), pushing it into Mooney's path, which Mooney scored.

So, he directly assisted the (two!) goals which got us to win the match, and you're not happy with his performance?

Wow...I have an opinion... Shocking. :roll: I'd hardly say last night was "Tireless running and commitment" but then again it was pre-season and hopefully we can get another forward in to keep him on his toes.

Last season, watching MOST of the matches home and away I got the feeling he was in a "Comfort" zone for much of the time.

Message boards would be pointless without opinions, so plaese dont make the assumption that I dont think you should express yours -I am just questioning it, based on the facts that you said Butler was a sticking point for you after watching him last night, but he assisted two goals.

For the record, I also watched most of the matches home and away, and if you think a striker who isnt scoring freely is happy, or in a comfort zone, you're sadly mistaken.

Definatly a matter of opinions, I have mine, you have yours. I just hope the extra competition from Carlos and Sonko along with Hall who also can play in that role will keep him on his toes.

BTW, You say I am entitled to an opinion and then turn around and tell me it's "Shocking" and "I'm sadly mistaken",

I'm glad to to report from speaking to other people over close season that I am not the only one to have a "Shocking" point of view.

Hopefully though I will be "Mistaken" and we will see the best from Martin this coming season.

I agree, competition is always good for a player -it gave Sam a real lease of life last season.

BTW, You say I am entitled to an opinion and then turn around and tell me it's "Shocking" and "I'm sadly mistaken",

Yes, I am saying you are entitled to an opinion -purely because it was you that first inferred that I would think otherwise. Yes, I do disagree with it. Are you saying I cant/ shouldnt disagree with it? Dont let it get your back up if you're not getting e-hugs from someone who dares to disagree with you -Jeez, this should be a healthy debate -dont take it personally, man.

When I said "Shocking", it was written sarcastically, in reference to Butler's workrate, which I wanted to draw your attention to (ie, we have a striker with tireless workrate and effort -Shock! Horror!).
And yes, assuming you've played footy up front, you'll know that not scoring goals regularly would never = being in a comfort zone of any description.

The whole point of my initial post, is to question your criticism of our striker's performance last night who was, last night, the difference between us drawing, and winning -which you still havent justified.

[Banksy1987]

I cant believe Mooooooney scores an hatrick and people on this thread ask what else did he do, wat do people want from him?

[Magic Man Fan]

Butler is my sticking point, on last nights performance it was "more of the same" :lol:

What, you mean tireless running, effort, and committment. Shocking. :roll:

I wasnt there (although I was on Sunday). Apparently last night, Butler won a penalty, which Mooney converted, and the keeper saved a shot of Butlers (that was going in), pushing it into Mooney's path, which Mooney scored.

So, he directly assisted the (two!) goals which got us to win the match, and you're not happy with his performance?

Wow...I have an opinion... Shocking. :roll: I'd hardly say last night was "Tireless running and commitment" but then again it was pre-season and hopefully we can get another forward in to keep him on his toes.

Last season, watching MOST of the matches home and away I got the feeling he was in a "Comfort" zone for much of the time.

Message boards would be pointless without opinions, so plaese dont make the assumption that I dont think you should express yours -I am just questioning it, based on the facts that you said Butler was a sticking point for you after watching him last night, but he assisted two goals.

For the record, I also watched most of the matches home and away, and if you think a striker who isnt scoring freely is happy, or in a comfort zone, you're sadly mistaken.

Definatly a matter of opinions, I have mine, you have yours. I just hope the extra competition from Carlos and Sonko along with Hall who also can play in that role will keep him on his toes.

BTW, You say I am entitled to an opinion and then turn around and tell me it's "Shocking" and "I'm sadly mistaken",

I'm glad to to report from speaking to other people over close season that I am not the only one to have a "Shocking" point of view.

Hopefully though I will be "Mistaken" and we will see the best from Martin this coming season.

I agree, competition is always good for a player -it gave Sam a real lease of life last season.

BTW, You say I am entitled to an opinion and then turn around and tell me it's "Shocking" and "I'm sadly mistaken",

Yes, I am saying you are entitled to an opinion -purely because it was you that first inferred that I would think otherwise. Yes, I do disagree with it. Are you saying I cant/ shouldnt disagree with it? Dont let it get your back up if you're not getting e-hugs from someone who dares to disagree with you -Jeez, this should be a healthy debate -dont take it personally, man.

When I said "Shocking", it was written sarcastically, in reference to Butler's workrate, which I wanted to draw your attention to (ie, we have a striker with tireless workrate and effort -Shock! Horror!).
And yes, assuming you've played footy up front, you'll know that not scoring goals regularly would never = being in a comfort zone of any description.

The whole point of my initial post, is to question your criticism of our striker's performance last night who was, last night, the difference between us drawing, and winning -which you still havent justified.

On Butler's performances towards the end of last season I agree with Cheesebag but I am confident this season although he has a lot to prove.

He has someone in Mooney who can halve the donkey work and a proven goalscorer to keep him focused on scoring goals to stay in the team. With the addition of Mooney, Caneiro and the youngsters who will be introduced this season, and possibly another signing before the season starts DD can afford to drop Butler or at least take him off after an hour which he wasn't prepared to do last season and i definitely affected his game.

It depends on DD whether he's learned from his mistake or not, but it was a definite mistake despite getting most other things right.

[Cheesebag]

Butler is my sticking point, on last nights performance it was "more of the same" :lol:

What, you mean tireless running, effort, and committment. Shocking. :roll:

I wasnt there (although I was on Sunday). Apparently last night, Butler won a penalty, which Mooney converted, and the keeper saved a shot of Butlers (that was going in), pushing it into Mooney's path, which Mooney scored.

So, he directly assisted the (two!) goals which got us to win the match, and you're not happy with his performance?

Wow...I have an opinion... Shocking. :roll: I'd hardly say last night was "Tireless running and commitment" but then again it was pre-season and hopefully we can get another forward in to keep him on his toes.

Last season, watching MOST of the matches home and away I got the feeling he was in a "Comfort" zone for much of the time.

Message boards would be pointless without opinions, so plaese dont make the assumption that I dont think you should express yours -I am just questioning it, based on the facts that you said Butler was a sticking point for you after watching him last night, but he assisted two goals.

For the record, I also watched most of the matches home and away, and if you think a striker who isnt scoring freely is happy, or in a comfort zone, you're sadly mistaken.

Definatly a matter of opinions, I have mine, you have yours. I just hope the extra competition from Carlos and Sonko along with Hall who also can play in that role will keep him on his toes.

BTW, You say I am entitled to an opinion and then turn around and tell me it's "Shocking" and "I'm sadly mistaken",

I'm glad to to report from speaking to other people over close season that I am not the only one to have a "Shocking" point of view.

Hopefully though I will be "Mistaken" and we will see the best from Martin this coming season.

I agree, competition is always good for a player -it gave Sam a real lease of life last season.

BTW, You say I am entitled to an opinion and then turn around and tell me it's "Shocking" and "I'm sadly mistaken",

Yes, I am saying you are entitled to an opinion -purely because it was you that first inferred that I would think otherwise. Yes, I do disagree with it. Are you saying I cant/ shouldnt disagree with it? Dont let it get your back up if you're not getting e-hugs from someone who dares to disagree with you -Jeez, this should be a healthy debate -dont take it personally, man.

When I said "Shocking", it was written sarcastically, in reference to Butler's workrate, which I wanted to draw your attention to (ie, we have a striker with tireless workrate and effort -Shock! Horror!).
And yes, assuming you've played footy up front, you'll know that not scoring goals regularly would never = being in a comfort zone of any description.

The whole point of my initial post, is to question your criticism of our striker's performance last night who was, last night, the difference between us drawing, and winning -which you still havent justified.

On Butler's performances towards the end of last season I agree with Cheesebag but I am confident this season although he has a lot to prove.

He has someone in Mooney who can halve the donkey work and a proven goalscorer to keep him focused on scoring goals to stay in the team. With the addition of Mooney, Caneiro and the youngsters who will be introduced this season, and possibly another signing before the season starts DD can afford to drop Butler or at least take him off after an hour which he wasn't prepared to do last season and i definitely affected his game.

It depends on DD whether he's learned from his mistake or not, but it was a definite mistake despite getting most other things right.

Point well made, exactly what I was trying to say

[Stu]

On Butler's performances towards the end of last season I agree with Cheesebag but I am confident this season although he has a lot to prove.

He has someone in Mooney who can halve the donkey work and a proven goalscorer to keep him focused on scoring goals to stay in the team. With the addition of Mooney, Caneiro and the youngsters who will be introduced this season, and possibly another signing before the season starts DD can afford to drop Butler or at least take him off after an hour which he wasn't prepared to do last season and i definitely affected his game.

It depends on DD whether he's learned from his mistake or not, but it was a definite mistake despite getting most other things right.

Which is exactly what I was asking for on the other thread with you and Geordie... Because we're going to be needing to rest both Butler and Mooney, not just Butler.

[YGA Saddler]

The moaners amaze me.

Had we lost to Stafford Rangers and had Mooney had a stinker it would have been moan moan moan like the world is about to end.

Yes pre-season friendlies are completely meaningless in terms of results.

However, it is hugely encouraging to read that the club are looking at some impressive trialists, and that certain individuals whose capabilities have been questioned are looking fit and sharp.

That IS what pre-season is about. Might I also add its great to see Scott Dann, Ian Roper, Darren Wrack, and Nicholls back in the swing of things with no reaction. Like having 4 new players.

I wasnt moaning about Mooney hence the smiley at the end, its good to see him getting a bit of confidence infront of goal.

I heard Mooney on WM this morning, he said he has never done so much in the build up for this season as he as at Walsall. He said DD certainly puts them through their paces...Fair play I say.

[Banksy1987]

I cant believe Mooooooney scores an hatrick and people on this thread ask what else did he do, wat do people want from him?

[Stu]

I cant believe Mooooooney scores an hatrick and people on this thread ask what else did he do, wat do people want from him?

He could have scored 4... :roll:

[Banksy1987]

lol

[big baz 1]

Butler and Mooney upfront next season i cant wait

[Magic Man Fan]

On Butler's performances towards the end of last season I agree with Cheesebag but I am confident this season although he has a lot to prove.

He has someone in Mooney who can halve the donkey work and a proven goalscorer to keep him focused on scoring goals to stay in the team. With the addition of Mooney, Caneiro and the youngsters who will be introduced this season, and possibly another signing before the season starts DD can afford to drop Butler or at least take him off after an hour which he wasn't prepared to do last season and i definitely affected his game.

It depends on DD whether he's learned from his mistake or not, but it was a definite mistake despite getting most other things right.

Which is exactly what I was asking for on the other thread with you and Geordie... Because we're going to be needing to rest both Butler and Mooney, not just Butler.

That's where Caneiro, Deeney, Hall (who can and has play up front), Ishy (who can and has played up front), Nicholls (who can and has played up front) and one other striker we may well bring in before the end of August can help if both Mooney and Butler need taking off between 60 mins to the end of a match, when we're already leading and can trust our excellent defence to not let anything in the other end. :P

[deanonev69]

On Butler's performances towards the end of last season I agree with Cheesebag but I am confident this season although he has a lot to prove.

He has someone in Mooney who can halve the donkey work and a proven goalscorer to keep him focused on scoring goals to stay in the team. With the addition of Mooney, Caneiro and the youngsters who will be introduced this season, and possibly another signing before the season starts DD can afford to drop Butler or at least take him off after an hour which he wasn't prepared to do last season and i definitely affected his game.

It depends on DD whether he's learned from his mistake or not, but it was a definite mistake despite getting most other things right.

Which is exactly what I was asking for on the other thread with you and Geordie... Because we're going to be needing to rest both Butler and Mooney, not just Butler.

That's where Caneiro, Deeney, Hall (who can and has play up front), Ishy (who can and has played up front), Nicholls (who can and has played up front) and one other striker we may well bring in before the end of August can help if both Mooney and Butler need taking off between 60 mins to the end of a match, when we're already leading and can trust our excellent defence to not let anything in the other end. :P

Like my dad says on Express and Star video....."we need to rotate our strikers!!"