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Accrington Stanley (H) League 31/3/07 Oli's Match.

Reports and reaction from the 2006-07 season as Walsall finished 1st (C) in League 2
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Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:05 pm

wednesbury Saddler METFAN wrote:Good response earlier my friend, but stats are only quantative. For me, in football, you have to look at the Qualitive, and that simply means Gerrard hasnt played well. When i say poor, hes not 'poor' as in terms of the opposition and league, moreover, Dann, Westwood and Roper are better than him, and if Picken played more, im sure I would put him above him.


So asking how many assists Wright has got isnt qualitative?

Cooper bad game = ineffective

Wright bad game = should be hobbled

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wednesbury Saddler METFAN wrote:Good response earlier my friend, but stats are only quantative. For me, in football, you have to look at the Qualitive, and that simply means Gerrard hasnt played well. When i say poor, hes not 'poor' as in terms of the opposition and league, moreover, Dann, Westwood and Roper are better than him, and if Picken played more, im sure I would put him above him.


So asking how many assists Wright has got isnt qualitative?

Cooper bad game = ineffective

Wright bad game = should be hobbled


At least he's consistant :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:23 pm

wednesbury Saddler METFAN wrote:Good response earlier my friend, but stats are only quantative. For me, in football, you have to look at the Qualitive, and that simply means Gerrard hasnt played well. When i say poor, hes not 'poor' as in terms of the opposition and league, moreover, Dann, Westwood and Roper are better than him, and if Picken played more, im sure I would put him above him.


Westwood was poor first half but second half he played a lot better has he was not marking to tight if you see what I mean and Met Fan lay off Gerrard it's getting boring know :cry:

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Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:03 pm

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wednesbury Saddler METFAN wrote:Good response earlier my friend, but stats are only quantative. For me, in football, you have to look at the Qualitive, and that simply means Gerrard hasnt played well. When i say poor, hes not 'poor' as in terms of the opposition and league, moreover, Dann, Westwood and Roper are better than him, and if Picken played more, im sure I would put him above him.


Westwood was poor first half but second half he played a lot better has he was not marking to tight if you see what I mean and Met Fan lay off Gerrard it's getting boring know :cry:


Tis fair to say it wasn't one of Gerrard's better games yesterday,

Westwood has been mentioned as a player of the season candidate, makes me laugh really, Oh how we missed Scott Dann, we wouldn't have conceeded a goal like the first goal if he was playing, he does it so often, comes round the back and mops up,

If we get promoted, i see Westwood leaving, as a high earner, has had a decent season, nothing more nothing less

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Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:08 am

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wednesbury Saddler METFAN wrote:Good response earlier my friend, but stats are only quantative. For me, in football, you have to look at the Qualitive, and that simply means Gerrard hasnt played well. When i say poor, hes not 'poor' as in terms of the opposition and league, moreover, Dann, Westwood and Roper are better than him, and if Picken played more, im sure I would put him above him.


Westwood was poor first half but second half he played a lot better has he was not marking to tight if you see what I mean and Met Fan lay off Gerrard it's getting boring know :cry:


Tis fair to say it wasn't one of Gerrard's better games yesterday,

Westwood has been mentioned as a player of the season candidate, makes me laugh really, Oh how we missed Scott Dann, we wouldn't have conceeded a goal like the first goal if he was playing, he does it so often, comes round the back and mops up,

If we get promoted, i see Westwood leaving, as a high earner, has had a decent season, nothing more nothing less


Sorry pal but Dann slipped on his back side for one goal we let in and I like Scott Dann who is a talented player for a centre half 8)

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Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:45 am

Did the defender hit Harper with this tackle or was this challange made when Harper scored his goal?

Open foot and stretched leg, could have ended bad hehe.

http://www.saddlers.premiumtv.co.uk/jav ... 139,00.jpg

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derbysaddler wrote:2 nil to Walsall.

keates and Sam grabbing the goals.

Att : 5700
Number of pies sold : 2345
Number of pints sunk in ground : 11,450
Number of bog flushes in upper F2GO : 1305


splendid.


Dont exaggerate, a lot of us in TKT whatever stand never make it to the bogs :roll:
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:57 pm

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wednesbury Saddler METFAN wrote:Good response earlier my friend, but stats are only quantative. For me, in football, you have to look at the Qualitive, and that simply means Gerrard hasnt played well. When i say poor, hes not 'poor' as in terms of the opposition and league, moreover, Dann, Westwood and Roper are better than him, and if Picken played more, im sure I would put him above him.


Westwood was poor first half but second half he played a lot better has he was not marking to tight if you see what I mean and Met Fan lay off Gerrard it's getting boring know :cry:


Tis fair to say it wasn't one of Gerrard's better games yesterday,

Westwood has been mentioned as a player of the season candidate, makes me laugh really, Oh how we missed Scott Dann, we wouldn't have conceeded a goal like the first goal if he was playing, he does it so often, comes round the back and mops up,

If we get promoted, i see Westwood leaving, as a high earner, has had a decent season, nothing more nothing less


Sorry pal but Dann slipped on his back side for one goal we let in and I like Scott Dann who is a talented player for a centre half 8)


Yeah he slipped, was against Barnet, whoopy doo, not like being caught miles out of position is it

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Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:23 pm

North Staffs Saddler wrote:
derbysaddler wrote:2 nil to Walsall.

keates and Sam grabbing the goals.

Att : 5700
Number of pies sold : 2345
Number of pints sunk in ground : 11,450
Number of bog flushes in upper F2GO : 1305


splendid.


Dont exaggerate, a lot of us in TKT whatever stand never make it to the bogs :roll:


Who needs to ? These incontinence pants are great, top-notch, totally sealed, high capacity, no need to empty 'til you get home !

Beats Tena-Lady be a country-mile - no pun intended, if you get my drift ! :D

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Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:09 pm

Right, finally got to the match thread.

Clayton, one of those shaky halves he has when he gets affected when he knows he's made a mistake. For some unknown reason he never came the ball which led to their goal. Defending was poor for it but it was clearly a ball for a keeper to claim.

The defence was shaky at times, it just shows how much we rely on the young but organised and mature Dann and Roper at the same time. I don't think anyone had a particular poor game, they all just seemed unfamiliar or unsure about playing alongside each other, I'm not sure why.

I thought Dobson and Keates were brilliant. Dobson especially in the first half. I had to laugh at Metfan's comments about Dobson above. If he played like that every week he wouldn't have had any criticism from me all season. That's why I have been critical because he played like that in his first few games and set the standard for the season which on the whole he hasn't lived up to. His passing was superb, including some clever reverse passes. I hope he's read my criticism over the last week and made an effort to improve because it worked.

Harper had his best game since Barnet and was a handful throughout. His goal was brilliantly taken. If we look like we're struggling to score in the next few games I'd put him through the middle because something always seems likely to happen when he's there. Cooper was awful but I've gone on about that enough. All the people who wanted Wright out of the team when we were 9 points clear have got yet another attempted replacement to remind them he isn't that bad after all.

Up front, Benjamin wasn't as effective as last week but the partnership with Butler doesn't work for me as some of us did say when he signed. We said we needed something different, something pacy to run onto flick ons from Butler. Unfortunately Benjamin is now winning the flick ons but Butler is a yard off the pace to get anywhere near them. His first touch was awful and to be honest of all the performances he's put in this season Saturday's didn't deserve a goal but it was one of the most welcome of the season.

Fortunately Sam made a big difference when he came on. If it took the signing of Benjamin to leave Sam fresh for the second half then he was worth signing.

All in all, not a brilliant performance but we scored three goals and got three points. It doesn't matter how they come now, just finish the job off. The defence will need to improve if we want to do it sooner rather than later though.

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MMF, NEVER change your avatar!! :wink:

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Jolly Johnny wrote:MMF, NEVER change your avatar!! :wink:


I've been forced to already. One rule for ladies, one for blokes apparently. :wink:

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Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:42 am

Magic Man Fan wrote:I hope he's read my criticism over the last week and made an effort to improve because it worked.


Ok, I'm lining myself up for a "WHHHOOOOOOSSSHHHH" here....but you are joking right?!??

Anyway, I think Dobson has been playing brilliantly for 5-6 weeks now. Makes you wonder whether he had been carrying an injury?

Agree with the comments about Butler. I thought he looked very poor, without doubt his worst game of the season ..... and yet, he was involved in all 3 goals!!! Shows what I know, I'd have taken him off instead of Benjamin, who I thought was winning a lot of good headers and showing appetite for accepting a pass and laying it off to the midfield/wingers.

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Magic Man Fan wrote:I hope he's read my criticism over the last week and made an effort to improve because it worked.


Ok, I'm lining myself up for a "WHHHOOOOOOSSSHHHH" here....but you are joking right?!??


Yes, it was a woooosssh in a Metfan 1,895 IQ stylee. :P

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Magic Man Fan wrote:All in all, not a brilliant performance but we scored three goals and got three points. It doesn't matter how they come now, just finish the job off. The defence will need to improve if we want to do it sooner rather than later though.


True.

I'd give Dobson MOTM. Excellent performance.

I said this t'other week and I'll say it again. Really important game. We're one goal to the good, approaching stoppage time and with a substitution left. Why don't we send someone out to the farthest reaches of civilisation and then sub them off to a hero's ovation and wind down the clock to nothing? Other teams seem to. :?

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Magic Man Fan wrote:
ShropsSaddler wrote:
Magic Man Fan wrote:I hope he's read my criticism over the last week and made an effort to improve because it worked.


Ok, I'm lining myself up for a "WHHHOOOOOOSSSHHHH" here....but you are joking right?!??


Yes, it was a woooosssh in a Metfan 1,895 IQ stylee. :P


1,896 ;)

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wednesbury Saddler METFAN wrote:1.896 ;)


:mrgreen:

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Jolly Johnny wrote:MMF, NEVER change your avatar!! :wink:


I've been forced to already. One rule for ladies, one for blokes apparently. :wink:


What a load of old rot :x . If it's caused complaints can I then complain about the male torsos that have appeared on various avatars over the last few days. They aren't even nicely toned, professionally photographed piccies. They look like some sort of home made porn still of a best mate's brother or something! :lol: :roll:

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Jolly Johnny wrote:
Magic Man Fan wrote:
Jolly Johnny wrote:MMF, NEVER change your avatar!! :wink:


I've been forced to already. One rule for ladies, one for blokes apparently. :wink:


What a load of old rot :x . If it's caused complaints can I then complain about the male torsos that have appeared on various avatars over the last few days. They aren't even nicely toned, professionally photographed piccies. They look like some sort of home made porn still of a best mate's brother or something! :lol: :roll:


you an expert on that then? :wink:

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Magic Man Fan wrote:Right, finally got to the match thread.

Clayton, one of those shaky halves he has when he gets affected when he knows he's made a mistake. For some unknown reason he never came the ball which led to their goal. Defending was poor for it but it was clearly a ball for a keeper to claim.

The defence was shaky at times, it just shows how much we rely on the young but organised and mature Dann and Roper at the same time. I don't think anyone had a particular poor game, they all just seemed unfamiliar or unsure about playing alongside each other, I'm not sure why.

I thought Dobson and Keates were brilliant. Dobson especially in the first half. I had to laugh at Metfan's comments about Dobson above. If he played like that every week he wouldn't have had any criticism from me all season. That's why I have been critical because he played like that in his first few games and set the standard for the season which on the whole he hasn't lived up to. His passing was superb, including some clever reverse passes. I hope he's read my criticism over the last week and made an effort to improve because it worked.

Harper had his best game since Barnet and was a handful throughout. His goal was brilliantly taken. If we look like we're struggling to score in the next few games I'd put him through the middle because something always seems likely to happen when he's there. Cooper was awful but I've gone on about that enough. All the people who wanted Wright out of the team when we were 9 points clear have got yet another attempted replacement to remind them he isn't that bad after all.

Up front, Benjamin wasn't as effective as last week but the partnership with Butler doesn't work for me as some of us did say when he signed. We said we needed something different, something pacy to run onto flick ons from Butler. Unfortunately Benjamin is now winning the flick ons but Butler is a yard off the pace to get anywhere near them. His first touch was awful and to be honest of all the performances he's put in this season Saturday's didn't deserve a goal but it was one of the most welcome of the season.

Fortunately Sam made a big difference when he came on. If it took the signing of Benjamin to leave Sam fresh for the second half then he was worth signing.

All in all, not a brilliant performance but we scored three goals and got three points. It doesn't matter how they come now, just finish the job off. The defence will need to improve if we want to do it sooner rather than later though.


Agree with everything Mark, except the idea that you seem to think Butler had his worst game of the season ??

One opportunist goal to win the game and a crucial 3 points, a fantastic perfectly weighted and measured through-ball that gave Harper a virtually unmissable opportunity, typical Butler-esque persistence chasing the ball that led to the (quite correctly awarded) penalty, and loads of work pressing defenders and making himself a right handful for the whole 90 minutes.

I really do wonder what the bloke has to do to win the praise that should be heaped on him for a fine game and, more importantly, a fine and highly influential season.

He's well up in the race for player of the season, and for sure no-one in that team works harder week in week out than Martin Butler does for us.

I really do wonder how and why people miss so much of his work! :?

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Glad someone else notices Martin Butlers first touch is bad.

Not that im complaining, 120 percent every match, and he actually cares about the club, can see that in his celebrations.

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Any forward that scores, wins a penalty, and creates a goal has had a fantastic afternoon, regardless of what he did for the other 87 minutes (provided he didn't score 3 or more own goals that is).

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Geordiesaddler wrote:Any forward that scores, wins a penalty, and creates a goal has had a fantastic afternoon, regardless of what he did for the other 87 minutes (provided he didn't score 3 or more own goals that is).


Exactly, what do people want, blood? Him to self-immolate? FFS!

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Kiansmom wrote:
Jolly Johnny wrote:
Magic Man Fan wrote:
Jolly Johnny wrote:MMF, NEVER change your avatar!! :wink:


I've been forced to already. One rule for ladies, one for blokes apparently. :wink:


What a load of old rot :x . If it's caused complaints can I then complain about the male torsos that have appeared on various avatars over the last few days. They aren't even nicely toned, professionally photographed piccies. They look like some sort of home made porn still of a best mate's brother or something! :lol: :roll:


you an expert on that then? :wink:


You don't really need to be...! :wink:

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Geordiesaddler wrote:Any forward that scores, wins a penalty, and creates a goal has had a fantastic afternoon, regardless of what he did for the other 87 minutes (provided he didn't score 3 or more own goals that is).


spot on

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Geordiesaddler wrote:Any forward that scores, wins a penalty, and creates a goal has had a fantastic afternoon, regardless of what he did for the other 87 minutes (provided he didn't score 3 or more own goals that is).


Sort of agree and disagree. Yes, in the final reckoning he made a vital, indeed Butler-esque, contribution to our win. But with 75 minutes to go I was thinking he'd had a bit of a 'mare. I thought Benjamin was a tad unlucky to be taken off as he certainly hadn't played any worse than Butler. Too often the ball had been lost when it was played up to Butler - including when he was played through on goal but had to stop, check, pass backwards and the chance was gone. We also shoot ourselves in the foot whenever he makes his stupid barging into defenders 'tackles' which always give away a free-kick and we lose the momentum.

I don't want to criticise Butler too much as he has been fantastic this season and has put in a super-human effort for the cause. But I can see where people are coming from when they say he didn't play well on Saturday.

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Geordiesaddler wrote:Any forward that scores, wins a penalty, and creates a goal has had a fantastic afternoon, regardless of what he did for the other 87 minutes (provided he didn't score 3 or more own goals that is).


We also shoot ourselves in the foot whenever he makes his stupid barging into defenders 'tackles' which always give away a free-kick and we lose the momentum.


I agree, despite him bringing so much to the team and working his socks off, he does have that annoying habit / side too. He seems to get away with it though!! Against MK Dons he had a kick out at a defender as the ball ran out of play which went unpunished or unnoticed. Again on Saturday he bumped into the back of the keeper unnecessarily as he went past, jumped 'into' defenders on a few occasions and had a few 'limb twitches'. I'm guessing it is partly him showing some frustration but he could cut it out more. I don't know what his disciplinary record is like but we don't want to have him sitting out matches becasue of too many yellow cards or even reds.

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Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:29 am

Firstly geoff if you can find where I said Butler had his worst game of the season I'll buy you a pint.

Secondly, I don't give a stuff what anyone else thinks I know enough about the game to know he's been playing poorly for a month and was on Saturday. Fortunately on Saturday it turned out to not matter because he had a hand in all three goals and ultimately that's all that matters just like I don't care if Mark Wright hits the defender with every other cross apart from the one that assists a winning goal. Can't have one rule for one and one rule for another now can we?

I don't like over the top criticism of players but at the same time I don't like adulation of players living of praise for something they haven't done consistently for a while. I don't miss anything he does but unlike some I don't mentally block out all the bad things, of which there are many.

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The only thing I will add is that I feel for Butler, with no consistent or good partner, with little or no service, without a rest all season and working his bloody socks off chasing things he shouldn't be chasing (he should be in and around that 18 yard box for 90 minutes) he deserves a bloody medal

If he did play a bit cack and still score and have a hand in the other 2 then he deserves all the luck in the world, personally I think he’s been brilliant leading the line this year

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I agree Buts hasn't been up to his usual high standard for the last few weeks. But, as Saddlerken rightly says, he's had next to no decent service all season and has had to create his own chances and go looking for the ball. I wouldn't be surprised if he is totally knackered by now.

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