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Hereford United (A) League - Saturday 18/11/06

Reports and reaction from the 2006-07 season as Walsall finished 1st (C) in League 2
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:48 pm

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toffo wrote:I just want to say what a shambles it was trying to get in the ground.
I stood in the queue at 2.20 and got in the ground at 2.58. I was lucky, there were hundreds of walsall fans still outside at kick off and some did not get in till 3.20. Totally unacceptable.
There was one little turnstile available for tickets and cash paying customers. They decided to open another turnstile at 3.01,.......... totally pathetic.


If the cattle in the market next door to the ground were treated half as badly as our fans were today there'd be questions asked in the House!

We too joined the end of the queue before 2:30 and only just made in inside before KO. At that point the queue was a lot longer than it had been when we joined it! 1 turnstile open for terrace, and 1 for the seats - and didn't matter if you were paying cash or had already got a ticket you still had to wait in the same line.

All the stewards were from Walsall, just there to keep order amongst waiting fans without any control over what was going on. The main man outside said that the club had informed Hereford we would be taking at least 1200-1300, and that it had been obvious there weren't enough turnstiles early on but they still refused to open more. I asked him if KO would be delayed as it was obvious there would still be loads of fans outside at 3:00; he said it was up to ref to make that call upon advice from police - obviously the fact that the pavement was totally blocked and people were forced to walk amongst the cars on the main road didn't consitute a safety issue to to the boys in blue! When the cheer went up as the players came onto the pitch the inevitable pushing started as people were desperate to get in.

Once inside, both seats and terrace turnstiles opened into same courtyard. We were directed to the bit on the side under the stands - which only had enough space for about 300 at the front with a clear view - everybody else would have at least 1 concrete pillar blocking their view of most of the pitch. The one clear bit was on the halfway line - but you couldn't stand there because it was reserved for ambulance access! I asked the steward there why we were in this poxy area (the turnstile was actually marked "overflow area") rather than the usual bit we get in the corner. He told me Hereford had said they would give the OK to open the connecting gate to it only when there were more than 900 fans inside - he thought it must have been close to that already and he'd been told there were at least 500 still outside!

When they did open the gate there was an almighty crush of people trying to go through to where there was a partially decent view and a bit of space. They almost immediatley tried to close it again as it looked the main exit gates had been rushed by people outside trying to get in and the police came wading in. So by the time most of the people outside (some with tickets) did get in, the decent(ish) area was closed off again and it started to get nasty around the connecting gate because they wanted to come into where the main body were (there was loads of space too!)

Mind you, the ones on the side at least had access to bogs (which I agree were worse than Fellows Park) and the refreshment kiosk.

£13 to stand in a cramped end with a crap view of the pitch? People with advance tickets missing over 20 minutes of the game even though they were there in plenty of time? A total and utter shambles from Hereford and the local constabulary, and I think an apology or 2 and/or at least a partial refund in order.


Well said Andy. Hereford have clearly forgotten how to handle bigger followings. Understandable I suppose when you consider a whole generation of Hereford fans see Forest Green as a 'big'game.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:50 pm

Suggest concerns regarding Hereford's lack of organisation be directed to the club, who can at least take them up on our behalf.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:52 pm

Good positive changes to the squad obviously did the trick.Great moves DD.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:55 pm

Its not on when fans have to kick exit gates down to get into a game.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:02 pm

1933 wrote:fantastic pic! where did you get it from?


http://bullsnews.blogspot.com/

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:03 pm

Quite a few people said,correctly God only knows what would happen if there was a fire.in these days of health and safety hysteria,how can that be allowed?
to the game,worthy winners without being brilliant.I'm surprised no one's mentioned Martin Butler's work rate which was outstanding.that was a definite penalty.when he went down, I thought "even that fool's got to give a penalty" to see him making gestures that the player had got the ball.so it doesn't matter he scythed Butler first.as for the linesman at our end 2nd half ,words fail me.when Butler got booked the ball wasn't even on never mind over the line.and I'm far from convinced that it was over for Ishy's goal(who got no protection whatsoever from the fools in green).well the football league have tried-I'm all for promoting equality , but the experiment with using partially-sighted officials has failed and should be abandoned.
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:09 pm

Great picture of big Claytons save! What a save that was! He is on his way to Legend status! :D

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:22 pm

Scott Dann was super AGAIN today, so was Kinsella. Well shaken up DD, worthy winners in a ground that hasn't changed since I last went 15 years ago :shock:

Good to see Ince watched and learned from my Metfan save and put it in practice today :wink: :lol:

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sid swifty wrote:you have basically confirmed what my 2 sons have said cully...keep it up guys.


Glad to see your seal of approval Sid :wink:
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WarsawPact wrote:
1933 wrote:fantastic pic! where did you get it from?


http://bullsnews.blogspot.com/


Taken from aforementioned website

The crowd of over four thousand watched an entertaining game at Edgar Street this afternoon helped by good refereeing by Paul Melin.

Although the stewards seemed unprepared for quite so many Walsall supporters, a sensible decision to open the Blackfriars End was taken and this helped create a good atmosphere. Some Walsall fans did miss a few minutes at the start of the game. A dozen or so got into the Hereford end but were soon escorted to the away end.

helped by good refereeing by Paul Melin. WHAT!!!!!!!!!! he was an complete incompetent buffoon

Although the stewards seemed unprepared for quite so many Walsall supporters, a sensible decision to open the Blackfriars End was taken and this helped create a good atmosphere.
Much too late

Some Walsall fans did miss a few minutes at the start of the game.
A few minutes !! more like 15 or 20

A dozen or so got into the Hereford end but were soon escorted to the away end. They only did this because they correctly realised that they would miss the kick off if they stayed in the walsall queue

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:38 pm

As folk are moaning about Butler's penalty decision, did any of you think it was offside (I was working from home today so couldn't go)...

Both WM commentators on SaddlersWorld said that Butler was clearly offside by a long margin, and that it was "natural justice" that the penalty wasn't give.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:40 pm

No.I'm not even sure how they thought that.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:44 pm

Right, just got back.

Great result, absolutey superb, I will come to the performance later, but first I will augment Andy W Taylor post, by explaining what happening to me and my friends in the build up to kick off, because it was an utter shambles...

We all had our tickets in advance, for the standing are behin the goal, so me, locks, gaz ellison and planty headed down to the ground around 225pm, pretty early for us, and we left many others behind in the pub. We thought leaving at 225pm would give us time to grab a burger and have a look at the ground.

right, so we arrived at the gates around 225pm, saw the already huge queue, and asked a steward what we should do, considering we had tickets for the behind the goal standing area, he said there was only one turnstile, and we had to join the queue, so we did.

310pm came along, and we were still a good 150 people away from the turnstile. In the time we had been waiting the queue had grown to around 800 / 900 people by my estimation and we were starting to get very upset. The police were being of no help whatsoever, in fact, threatening to arrest people for being frustrated at not getting in to the ground [i was threatened myself] obviously the police had no understanding or sympathy for the plight of fans that had paid for their tickets in advance. It was an utter shambles. The police were totally useless, I was told at 305 that the referee had been advised as to the plight of walsall fans stuck outside, but refused to delay kickoff. Whether this is true or not i dont know. The walsall stewards were no better, they could do nothing, nor explain nothing, it was clear one turnstile was open, for a huge number of fans, and no one, i repeat no one, not the police, not the stewards, no one, knew what the hell was going on.

Shortly afterwards, this was around 310pm, word went round that there was another turnstile open, this surprised us, as we had been told just a few minutes ealier that only the one turnstile was open.

Around 313pm, as frustration started to grow, I was pretty close to the turnstile, and right alongside the blue wooden exit doors. At this time, they were kicked / forced open by some of our fans obviously very pissed off at being in the queue for what had now been 40 mins. The doors were flung open by the crowd, and the two stewards on the inside tried to stop people, but i suspect a few got through. Instantly the police waded in, man handling people [including my self, women and children] out of the way, not batons, and no violence I must stress, but still, a rather heavy handed polce reaction to the walsall fans, for something they could clearly have prevented.

Finally got in to the ground around 320pm, and got speaking to a WFC steward on the inside who told me the ref had been informed of the situation, and the club had refused to have the KO delayed.

Whatsmore, I had got in to the wrong part of the ground, the turnstiles were cocked up, and I, like may hundreds of others, finally got a badly organised transfer in to the behind the goal standing area around 335pm.

An absolute and utter joke, and a disgraceful way to treat loyal fans, both clubs knew how many would be attending, both were aware, so were the local constabulary, and all three together, failed spectacularly to provide a safe a pleasent situation for fans. People were pushed, people were in the road, people were manhandled, people were in the wrong stand. It's an absolute joke, and im afraid 99% of the blame must fall on Hereford FC... call themselves a professional football club, more like a joke football club, and who decides the standards of grounds to get in to the Football League, because for health and safety issues, today was terrible, and the police, Hereford Fc, and our very own WFC should be looked in to for this fiasco before something goes majorly wrong!

As for the game, we played well, it was a great result, we turned the screw, Dicky changed it from the other night, Keates was piss poor again, but Kinsella, and the back four were superb. Why the hell Kins doesn't start every game I dont know.[/b]

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:46 pm

toffo wrote:
WarsawPact wrote:
1933 wrote:fantastic pic! where did you get it from?


http://bullsnews.blogspot.com/


Taken from aforementioned website

The crowd of over four thousand watched an entertaining game at Edgar Street this afternoon helped by good refereeing by Paul Melin.

Although the stewards seemed unprepared for quite so many Walsall supporters, a sensible decision to open the Blackfriars End was taken and this helped create a good atmosphere. Some Walsall fans did miss a few minutes at the start of the game. A dozen or so got into the Hereford end but were soon escorted to the away end.

helped by good refereeing by Paul Melin. WHAT!!!!!!!!!! he was an complete incompetent buffoon

Although the stewards seemed unprepared for quite so many Walsall supporters, a sensible decision to open the Blackfriars End was taken and this helped create a good atmosphere.
Much too late

Some Walsall fans did miss a few minutes at the start of the game.
A few minutes !! more like 15 or 20

A dozen or so got into the Hereford end but were soon escorted to the away end. They only did this because they correctly realised that they would miss the kick off if they stayed in the walsall queue
My 2 sons said they were held outside for 20 mins...then put on a terrace with no way out to the toilets...so they were having to p155 up the wall...what a dump...and what dreadfull organisation.

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philthesaddler wrote:Right, just got back.

Great result, absolutey superb, I will come to the performance later, but first I will augment Andy W Taylor post, by explaining what happening to me and my friends in the build up to kick off, because it was an utter shambles...

We all had our tickets in advance, for the standing are behin the goal, so me, locks, gaz ellison and planty headed down to the ground around 225pm, pretty early for us, and we left many others behind in the pub. We thought leaving at 225pm would give us time to grab a burger and have a look at the ground.

right, so we arrived at the gates around 225pm, saw the already huge queue, and asked a steward what we should do, considering we had tickets for the behind the goal standing area, he said there was only one turnstile, and we had to join the queue, so we did.

310pm came along, and we were still a good 150 people away from the turnstile. In the time we had been waiting the queue had grown to around 800 / 900 people by my estimation and we were starting to get very upset. The police were being of no help whatsoever, in fact, threatening to arrest people for being frustrated at not getting in to the ground [i was threatened myself] obviously the police had no understanding or sympathy for the plight of fans that had paid for their tickets in advance. It was an utter shambles. The police were totally useless, I was told at 305 that the referee had been advised as to the plight of walsall fans stuck outside, but refused to delay kickoff. Whether this is true or not i dont know. The walsall stewards were no better, they could do nothing, nor explain nothing, it was clear one turnstile was open, for a huge number of fans, and no one, i repeat no one, not the police, not the stewards, no one, knew what the hell was going on.

Shortly afterwards, this was around 310pm, word went round that there was another turnstile open, this surprised us, as we had been told just a few minutes ealier that only the one turnstile was open.

Around 313pm, as frustration started to grow, I was pretty close to the turnstile, and right alongside the blue wooden exit doors. At this time, they were kicked / forced open by some of our fans obviously very pissed off at being in the queue for what had now been 40 mins. The doors were flung open by the crowd, and the two stewards on the inside tried to stop people, but i suspect a few got through. Instantly the police waded in, man handling people [including my self, women and children] out of the way, not batons, and no violence I must stress, but still, a rather heavy handed polce reaction to the walsall fans, for something they could clearly have prevented.

Finally got in to the ground around 320pm, and got speaking to a WFC steward on the inside who told me the ref had been informed of the situation, and the club had refused to have the KO delayed.

Whatsmore, I had got in to the wrong part of the ground, the turnstiles were cocked up, and I, like may hundreds of others, finally got a badly organised transfer in to the behind the goal standing area around 335pm.

An absolute and utter joke, and a disgraceful way to treat loyal fans, both clubs knew how many would be attending, both were aware, so were the local constabulary, and all three together, failed spectacularly to provide a safe a pleasent situation for fans. People were pushed, people were in the road, people were manhandled, people were in the wrong stand. It's an absolute joke, and im afraid 99% of the blame must fall on Hereford FC... call themselves a professional football club, more like a joke football club, and who decides the standards of grounds to get in to the Football League, because for health and safety issues, today was terrible, and the police, Hereford Fc, and our very own WFC should be looked in to for this fiasco before something goes majorly wrong!

As for the game, we played well, it was a great result, we turned the screw, Dicky changed it from the other night, Keates was pee poor again, but Kinsella, and the back four were superb. Why the hell Kins doesn't start every game I dont know.[/b]

I'd be far from surprised if the referee refused to put back the KO.The ar*eh*le got nothing right all match.remember the police are West Mercia-the same one's who denied Walsall fans their basic human rights when we played Shrewsbury.being in this division is like being in a time warp.where the rest of the world seems to be audited and analysed as to how customer friendly they are,these clubs.and ,as ever, the police,seem to be able to get away with treating football fans like cattle.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:00 pm

shrewsbury saddler wrote:No.I'm not even sure how they thought that.


They were absolutely adamant, both of them, that he was clearly offside.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:01 pm

So how many fans do you think we took then for those who went? I am told the 'official' figure was 1100, but i have been told as far as 2000 saddlers, any ideas ?

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:05 pm

Nah it werent 2000, it was probly 1300 at most, maybe 1500, was hard to tell, but I wouldn't sat 2000.

The club knew tho, thats whats annoying

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sid swifty wrote:
SheffieldSaddler wrote:
sid swifty wrote:
Neil Ravenscroft wrote:
sid swifty wrote:i make my own mind up as to wether i enjoy a football match or not...if i dont like it i may well have a rant...if i do like it i will describe how much i have enjoyed watching it...but what i wont put up with is people telling me how disloyal i am...and how i should like it nomatter how they play.


But you don't do you? You're taking a view from someone else, not witnessing it yourself, so you can't say whether you enjoyed today or not!
my 2 sons went today and they had a whole back seat spare if i wanted to go...but considering how (in my opinion) they are even more defensive away than at home i was put off going..so i am still being true to my own feelings Neil.


And your team is top of league! Have you not noticed?
No i didn't notice...so anyway sheffield...tell me what you thought of the game today...did we play well?


I did not go today.
We WON. We are TOP THE LEAGUE by 6 POINTS!
Who the F*CK cares how we played????????????????

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SheffieldSaddler wrote:I did not go today.
We WON. We are TOP THE LEAGUE by 6 POINTS!
Who the F*CK cares how we played????????????????


I didn't go either, but I am pleased to hear that we played a lot better - DD said that is was perhaps our best away league performance of the season. Maybe I should stay home more often.

Results are all that matters. Keep on winning DD I don't care how you do it. In an ideal world our improved performances will continue and we will always be worth watching without becoming easier to beat.

Judging by the number of our fans who made the journey to Hereford most do not care how we play either. I don't like watching us play badly even if we win - but I must be in the minority.

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Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:32 am

sid swifty wrote:
toffo wrote:
WarsawPact wrote:
1933 wrote:fantastic pic! where did you get it from?


http://bullsnews.blogspot.com/


Taken from aforementioned website

The crowd of over four thousand watched an entertaining game at Edgar Street this afternoon helped by good refereeing by Paul Melin.

Although the stewards seemed unprepared for quite so many Walsall supporters, a sensible decision to open the Blackfriars End was taken and this helped create a good atmosphere. Some Walsall fans did miss a few minutes at the start of the game. A dozen or so got into the Hereford end but were soon escorted to the away end.

helped by good refereeing by Paul Melin. WHAT!!!!!!!!!! he was an complete incompetent buffoon

Although the stewards seemed unprepared for quite so many Walsall supporters, a sensible decision to open the Blackfriars End was taken and this helped create a good atmosphere.
Much too late

Some Walsall fans did miss a few minutes at the start of the game.
A few minutes !! more like 15 or 20

A dozen or so got into the Hereford end but were soon escorted to the away end. They only did this because they correctly realised that they would miss the kick off if they stayed in the walsall queue
My 2 sons said they were held outside for 20 mins...then put on a terrace with no way out to the toilets...so they were having to p155 up the wall...what a dump...and what dreadfull organisation.


DID YOU STAY AT UM AND DRINK WARM RANCID MILD?

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Stu wrote:
shrewsbury saddler wrote:No.I'm not even sure how they thought that.


They were absolutely adamant, both of them, that he was clearly offside.


Not in a million years! Wasn't completely convinced it was a penalty though, the player certainly got some of the ball, whether he only got it after bringing Butler down is open to question.

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IS that famous tree still there!?

Id of just climbed up that.

As for all the shenanigans outside, we should complain to the fa. Then again we dont have 11 french players and dont play nice passing football, so they probably wouldnt listen.

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Bristol Fan wrote:
Stu wrote:
shrewsbury saddler wrote:No.I'm not even sure how they thought that.


They were absolutely adamant, both of them, that he was clearly offside.


Not in a million years! Wasn't completely convinced it was a penalty though, the player certainly got some of the ball, whether he only got it after bringing Butler down is open to question.


Agreed, thought he took the ball to be honest

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mahabharatsaddler wrote:
sid swifty wrote:
toffo wrote:
WarsawPact wrote:
1933 wrote:fantastic pic! where did you get it from?


http://bullsnews.blogspot.com/


Taken from aforementioned website

The crowd of over four thousand watched an entertaining game at Edgar Street this afternoon helped by good refereeing by Paul Melin.

Although the stewards seemed unprepared for quite so many Walsall supporters, a sensible decision to open the Blackfriars End was taken and this helped create a good atmosphere. Some Walsall fans did miss a few minutes at the start of the game. A dozen or so got into the Hereford end but were soon escorted to the away end.

helped by good refereeing by Paul Melin. WHAT!!!!!!!!!! he was an complete incompetent buffoon

Although the stewards seemed unprepared for quite so many Walsall supporters, a sensible decision to open the Blackfriars End was taken and this helped create a good atmosphere.
Much too late

Some Walsall fans did miss a few minutes at the start of the game.
A few minutes !! more like 15 or 20

A dozen or so got into the Hereford end but were soon escorted to the away end. They only did this because they correctly realised that they would miss the kick off if they stayed in the walsall queue
My 2 sons said they were held outside for 20 mins...then put on a terrace with no way out to the toilets...so they were having to p155 up the wall...what a dump...and what dreadfull organisation.


DID YOU STAY AT UM AND DRINK WARM RANCID MILD?
No TC i didn't...nice to see you've finally been forced to tone down your posts mate...you ALMOST seem human now...keep it up TC... :wink:

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Having to work every saturday this season my attendance is limited, so I cannot comment on how we're playing.

Whether we are top of the league by playing well, or luck, or just because we are 'the best of a bad bunch' is immaterial really. The facts are this - we are effectively 7 points clear in automatic promotion, and effectively a whopping 15 points clear in the play off places. In other words, beyond anybodys wildest expectations, even the most optimistic could not have saw this.

We are well on the way to putting this god-forsaken division well and truly to bed. We knew at the start it wouldn't be pretty, and thats how it looks like its turned out, but lets rejoyce in the fact that we are, at the moment, going like a juggernaught.


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Brilliant!! :D

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Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:18 am

Super brilliant result. and by all accounts a much better performance
Kinsella and Dobson in midfield is a must , Dann and Roper again what can you say.
The away support made it seen like a home game at times real quality.

18 games 41 points . says it all

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Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:44 am

Yes a much better performance and tremendous result. Dobson provided so much protection to the back four (who all played excellent) and allowed Kinsella to dictate play. The passing seemed crisper, better and faster. My only concern is that Kinsella's legs had clearly gone by the end. Do we save him for next Saturday and leave him out on Tuesday. Plus Martin needs some quality support up front.

Finally I agree getting in was a disgrace. Liam and myself arrived at 2.20pm - we were at least told what queue to join for the standing only turnstile but had to walk down the road to get to the back. We got to the turnstile to hear the bloke in front of Liam being told thats it he couldn't let anymore in paying cash only prepaid ticket holders. The stewards agreed to us standing at the front (it was now 2.50pm) until they arranged for the overflow turnstile(?) being opened - presumably to gain access to the area behaind the goal.

It remained fairly good natured and then the turnstile operator suddenly announced he had been told he could let more people through. We paid our cash, walked in and stood on the half way line underneath the stand. There was more room than at Accrington. We just got in for kick off but obviously there were still hundreds outside. What did hereford expect taking into account our away support this season? Their own stewards were complaining about the (lack of) organisation.

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Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:48 am

DAVEDEAN wrote:Super brilliant result. and by all accounts a much better performance
Kinsella and Dobson in midfield is a must , Dann and Roper again what can you say.
The away support made it seen like a home game at times real quality.

18 games 41 points . says it all


To right, did Dann or Roper put a foot wrong all game, just absolutely fantastic , the team played well but they where a cut above this level for sure

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