Walsall v Torquay...marks out of 100...?

[sid swifty]

sid, dler, Bernie & Cully. The facts are this.

We are top of the league.

You pay £18 to get in which you don't see as value for money. Fair enough.

However, it is YOUR choice to pay that £18. If you don't feel you are being entrtained, don't go. Simple as that.

You don't watch a film or TV programme a second time that hasn't entertained you the first. Being boring but winning is becoming a theme, which personally I feel isn't helped by our oppositions insistence to make things difficult and grab a point. So you pretty much know what will happen next game. It's your choice.

Sid, last season you refused to come while M*rs*n was in charge. Fair play to you. In that time we were losing. Now were are winning. Make the same pledge and say you won't come while DD is in charge if you feel so strongly about it. It's the same reason after all, isn't it?

no mark..i will do exactly the same as i did with merson...if you look back at those posts i made i said the reason i stopped going was the because we were playing rubbish week in and week out...now i will give DD a few more weeks and even if we are 20 pts clear i will stop going if i dont feel i am getting my moneys worth...oh and by the way i will decide wether i want to go or not...i dont need you or anyone else telling me not to go.

[sid swifty]

match Report

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The only thing I'd add to this debate is that you should learn to appreciate all aspects of the game. It's summed up by the comment that, if the crossing had been better, we'd have scored a couple more and been better entertained. Why are goals the only criteria? In the second 45 minutes yesterday, the passing was crisp, the covering and organisation superb and, quite frankly, I was royally entertained by a magnificent display of defending by Ian Roper. The fact that, on the continent, fans appreciate all aspects of the game is one of the main reasons the players are technically better. Instead, all we get is complaints if the ball isn't got forward as quickly as possible in any old fashion that's to hand.

thats fair enough neil...if you feel entertained (and you obviously do) at the end of every match then i envy you mate...but obviously we look for different things in a match...and i am not finding much satisfaction in our tactics this season even though we are doing so well in the league.

[Stu]

Sid, you really do stun me... What more can you ask for?

If 1 week before the season started, I said you could take your chances or I could guarantee you we'd be top of the league, 3 points clear, 2nd best attack, best defence and averaging less than 0.5goals/match conceded and just 1 defeat in 16 league matches, you'd have snapped my hand off.

This isn't a 'pretty football league', you can't 'entertain' in this league... You have to roll your sleeves up, put yourself about fight, be organised and hard-working, be prepared to give blood, snot and tears for the cause.

If this really isn't good enough for you, I suggest nothing ever will be.

[sid swifty]

Sid, you really do stun me... What more can you ask for?

If 1 week before the season started, I said you could take your chances or I could guarantee you we'd be top of the league, 3 points clear, 2nd best attack, best defence and averaging less than 0.5goals/match conceded and just 1 defeat in 16 league matches, you'd have snapped my hand off.

This isn't a 'pretty football league', you can't 'entertain' in this league... You have to roll your sleeves up, put yourself about fight, be organised and hard-working, be prepared to give blood, snot and tears for the cause.

If this really isn't good enough for you, I suggest nothing ever will be.

and if it was just this season stu i could put up with that...but what happens when the opposition gets a lot harder when we get promoted...he will tighten up even more...i.e get even more negative.

[Stu]

Sid, you really do stun me... What more can you ask for?

If 1 week before the season started, I said you could take your chances or I could guarantee you we'd be top of the league, 3 points clear, 2nd best attack, best defence and averaging less than 0.5goals/match conceded and just 1 defeat in 16 league matches, you'd have snapped my hand off.

This isn't a 'pretty football league', you can't 'entertain' in this league... You have to roll your sleeves up, put yourself about fight, be organised and hard-working, be prepared to give blood, snot and tears for the cause.

If this really isn't good enough for you, I suggest nothing ever will be.

and if it was just this season stu i could put up with that...but what happens when the opposition gets a lot harder when we get promoted...he will tighten up even more...i.e get even more negative.

Jesus wept... Do you not see the irony in that post?

Your actually saying your moaning because your worried how defensive it will be next season in League 2?

I hate to point this out, but we're in League 2, having been consistently poo in League 1 for 2 seasons.

If you want to moan about next season's perceived negativity, then can you wait until this time next season and see if its true.

In the meantime, accept that what your seeing now is what is required to get out of this godforsaken whole of a division.

[RED 5]

Not the best but job done!

[Duke]

We should look at the whole picture . When DD took over this club was in free fall , He has done what was needed to be done , made us diciplined , organised and hard to beat . In many ways i agree with Sid its not pretty , but its working and frankly if this continues and we do win promotion i will be a very happy Saddler . Enjoy our success for now and worry about league 1 next season .

[Magic Man Fan]

sid, dler, Bernie & Cully. The facts are this.

We are top of the league.

You pay £18 to get in which you don't see as value for money. Fair enough.

However, it is YOUR choice to pay that £18. If you don't feel you are being entrtained, don't go. Simple as that.

You don't watch a film or TV programme a second time that hasn't entertained you the first. Being boring but winning is becoming a theme, which personally I feel isn't helped by our oppositions insistence to make things difficult and grab a point. So you pretty much know what will happen next game. It's your choice.

Sid, last season you refused to come while M*rs*n was in charge. Fair play to you. In that time we were losing. Now were are winning. Make the same pledge and say you won't come while DD is in charge if you feel so strongly about it. It's the same reason after all, isn't it?

no mark..i will do exactly the same as i did with merson...if you look back at those posts i made i said the reason i stopped going was the because we were playing rubbish week in and week out...now i will give DD a few more weeks and even if we are 20 pts clear i will stop going if i dont feel i am getting my moneys worth...oh and by the way i will decide wether i want to go or not...i dont need you or anyone else telling me not to go.

Sid you didn't read what I put, clearly.

[sid swifty]

Sid, you really do stun me... What more can you ask for?

If 1 week before the season started, I said you could take your chances or I could guarantee you we'd be top of the league, 3 points clear, 2nd best attack, best defence and averaging less than 0.5goals/match conceded and just 1 defeat in 16 league matches, you'd have snapped my hand off.

This isn't a 'pretty football league', you can't 'entertain' in this league... You have to roll your sleeves up, put yourself about fight, be organised and hard-working, be prepared to give blood, snot and tears for the cause.

If this really isn't good enough for you, I suggest nothing ever will be.

and if it was just this season stu i could put up with that...but what happens when the opposition gets a lot harder when we get promoted...he will tighten up even more...i.e get even more negative.

Jesus wept... Do you not see the irony in that post?

Your actually saying your moaning because your worried how defensive it will be next season in League 2?

I hate to point this out, but we're in League 2, having been consistently poo in League 1 for 2 seasons.

If you want to moan about next season's perceived negativity, then can you wait until this time next season and see if its true.

In the meantime, accept that what your seeing now is what is required to get out of this godforsaken whole of a division.

i hear what your saying stu...and i will keep coming up as long as i get something enjoyable for my £18...but as i said...ive supported walsall for 45 yrs...and maybe its because i'm getting grumpier or older or just more carefull with my money but for me the bottom line is entertainment...sod the "you've got to get behind the lads brigade" its a genuine feeling...i'm not just saying it for the sake of it...which is why it totally P155es me off when people say "well dont go then".

[sid swifty]

sid, dler, Bernie & Cully. The facts are this.

We are top of the league.

You pay £18 to get in which you don't see as value for money. Fair enough.

However, it is YOUR choice to pay that £18. If you don't feel you are being entrtained, don't go. Simple as that.

You don't watch a film or TV programme a second time that hasn't entertained you the first. Being boring but winning is becoming a theme, which personally I feel isn't helped by our oppositions insistence to make things difficult and grab a point. So you pretty much know what will happen next game. It's your choice.

Sid, last season you refused to come while M*rs*n was in charge. Fair play to you. In that time we were losing. Now were are winning. Make the same pledge and say you won't come while DD is in charge if you feel so strongly about it. It's the same reason after all, isn't it?

no mark..i will do exactly the same as i did with merson...if you look back at those posts i made i said the reason i stopped going was the because we were playing rubbish week in and week out...now i will give DD a few more weeks and even if we are 20 pts clear i will stop going if i dont feel i am getting my moneys worth...oh and by the way i will decide wether i want to go or not...i dont need you or anyone else telling me not to go.

Sid you didn't read what I put, clearly.

sorry if ive misunderstood you in any way mark...but i do feel really stronly that i am being ripped off...we play exectly the same system every home game i.e 8 defenders...thats why Martin Butler hasn't scored for a while...he's having to run himself silly to make even a half-chance...he's got no body in midfield to play off...why?...because of this damned 8 man defence we've got...we kicked the 5hit out of that ball yesterday...its a wonder there was any air left in it after we had finished hoofing it from our half into theirs...

[Stu]

Tell you what Sid, maybe we should forget defending. We'll have 4 defenders to defend, the midfield and attack can attack.

You should get entertainment then, eh? I mean, we quite clearly were 'entertained' for the last 2 years with that philosophy.

Honestly, hand on heart Sid, I can't even understand in the most minute detail where your coming from when you say you'll stop going to watch the team you support, who are top of the league, because your not being entertained.

[sid swifty]

Tell you what Sid, maybe we should forget defending. We'll have 4 defenders to defend, the midfield and attack can attack.

You should get entertainment then, eh? I mean, we quite clearly were 'entertained' for the last 2 years with that philosophy.

Honestly, hand on heart Sid, I can't even understand in the most minute detail where your coming from when you say you'll stop going to watch the team you support, who are top of the league, because your not being entertained.

why do people keep on about mersons reign...he was cack...end of story...as i have said...i have watched them since i was 5 yrs old and apart from mersons reign...the only period i can think of that was really dire was the 5 yrs following the Ramsdon fiasco...and as to wether you or anyone else understands why i feel the way i do...its a fact...and i will stop going if it gets no better.

[Fray Bentos is God!]

Tell you what Sid, maybe we should forget defending. We'll have 4 defenders to defend, the midfield and attack can attack.

You should get entertainment then, eh? I mean, we quite clearly were 'entertained' for the last 2 years with that philosophy.

Honestly, hand on heart Sid, I can't even understand in the most minute detail where your coming from when you say you'll stop going to watch the team you support, who are top of the league, because your not being entertained.

why do people keep on about mersons reign...he was ****...end of story...as i have said...i have watched them since i was 5 yrs old and apart from mersons reign...the only period i can think of that was really dire was the 5 yrs following the Ramsdon fiasco...and as to wether you or anyone else understands why i feel the way i do...its a fact...and i will stop going if it gets no better.

Is it the change Sid? its getting to my Mum aswell

[Walt Flanagan's Dog]

we kicked the 5hit out of that ball yesterday...its a wonder there was any air left in it after we had finished hoofing it from our half into theirs...

The Torquay 'keeper & defenders can be thanked for that- I lost count of the number of times one of them hoofed one of the balls onto/over the roof of one of the side stands- the kind of behaviour that, y'know, directly influenced (dictated?) the manner in which the game was played.

[sid swifty]

Tell you what Sid, maybe we should forget defending. We'll have 4 defenders to defend, the midfield and attack can attack.

You should get entertainment then, eh? I mean, we quite clearly were 'entertained' for the last 2 years with that philosophy.

Honestly, hand on heart Sid, I can't even understand in the most minute detail where your coming from when you say you'll stop going to watch the team you support, who are top of the league, because your not being entertained.

why do people keep on about mersons reign...he was ****...end of story...as i have said...i have watched them since i was 5 yrs old and apart from mersons reign...the only period i can think of that was really dire was the 5 yrs following the Ramsdon fiasco...and as to wether you or anyone else understands why i feel the way i do...its a fact...and i will stop going if it gets no better.

Is it the change Sid? its getting to my Mum aswell

could be mate...could be... :D

[Stu]

Tell you what Sid, maybe we should forget defending. We'll have 4 defenders to defend, the midfield and attack can attack.

You should get entertainment then, eh? I mean, we quite clearly were 'entertained' for the last 2 years with that philosophy.

Honestly, hand on heart Sid, I can't even understand in the most minute detail where your coming from when you say you'll stop going to watch the team you support, who are top of the league, because your not being entertained.

why do people keep on about mersons reign...he was ****...end of story...as i have said...i have watched them since i was 5 yrs old and apart from mersons reign...the only period i can think of that was really dire was the 5 yrs following the Ramsdon fiasco...and as to wether you or anyone else understands why i feel the way i do...its a fact...and i will stop going if it gets no better.

Sid, I think your memories playing tricks with you to be honest, your obviously forgetting the style of football we played under Nicholl and espeically under Graydon, when it was strong, organised and disciplined.

After all, Graydon was a specialist at getting a lead, then defending a 1 goal lead with 10 men behind the ball and going 5-4-1 or 4-5-1...

If anything, Graydon was a lot more direct than Money is, because we used Rambo heavily.

[sid swifty]

Tell you what Sid, maybe we should forget defending. We'll have 4 defenders to defend, the midfield and attack can attack.

You should get entertainment then, eh? I mean, we quite clearly were 'entertained' for the last 2 years with that philosophy.

Honestly, hand on heart Sid, I can't even understand in the most minute detail where your coming from when you say you'll stop going to watch the team you support, who are top of the league, because your not being entertained.

why do people keep on about mersons reign...he was ****...end of story...as i have said...i have watched them since i was 5 yrs old and apart from mersons reign...the only period i can think of that was really dire was the 5 yrs following the Ramsdon fiasco...and as to wether you or anyone else understands why i feel the way i do...its a fact...and i will stop going if it gets no better.

Sid, I think your memories playing tricks with you to be honest, your obviously forgetting the style of football we played under Nicholl and espeically under Graydon, when it was strong, organised and disciplined.

After all, Graydon was a specialist at getting a lead, then defending a 1 goal lead with 10 men behind the ball and going 5-4-1 or 4-5-1...

If anything, Graydon was a lot more direct than Money is, because we used Rambo heavily.

well stu...when i posted this i never expected over 100 posts...it just shows how much out of step i really am...but as i said i am genuine about how i feel...and i just hope i am able to say yes DD has changed his tactics and i am enjoying watching it again...i will certainly give it a go for a while yet...ive got to really with my sons going too... :D

[Neuromantic]

This must be a dream

[sid swifty]

This must be a dream

it is.... :D ...now wake up and check out uts...there's an interesting thread by sid swifty about value for money or something... :P

[Whitti Steve]

Tell you what Sid, maybe we should forget defending. We'll have 4 defenders to defend, the midfield and attack can attack.

You should get entertainment then, eh? I mean, we quite clearly were 'entertained' for the last 2 years with that philosophy.

Honestly, hand on heart Sid, I can't even understand in the most minute detail where your coming from when you say you'll stop going to watch the team you support, who are top of the league, because your not being entertained.

why do people keep on about mersons reign...he was ****...end of story...as i have said...i have watched them since i was 5 yrs old and apart from mersons reign...the only period i can think of that was really dire was the 5 yrs following the Ramsdon fiasco...and as to wether you or anyone else understands why i feel the way i do...its a fact...and i will stop going if it gets no better.

Sid, I think your memories playing tricks with you to be honest, your obviously forgetting the style of football we played under Nicholl and espeically under Graydon, when it was strong, organised and disciplined.

After all, Graydon was a specialist at getting a lead, then defending a 1 goal lead with 10 men behind the ball and going 5-4-1 or 4-5-1...

If anything, Graydon was a lot more direct than Money is, because we used Rambo heavily.

well stu...when i posted this i never expected over 100 posts...it just shows how much out of step i really am...but as i said i am genuine about how i feel...and i just hope i am able to say yes DD has changed his tactics and i am enjoying watching it again...i will certainly give it a go for a while yet...ive got to really with my sons going too... :D

I applaud you for sticking to your guns even though you are wrong :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Exile]

well stu...when i posted this i never expected over 100 posts...it just shows how much out of step i really am...but as i said i am genuine about how i feel...and i just hope i am able to say yes DD has changed his tactics and i am enjoying watching it again...i will certainly give it a go for a while yet...ive got to really with my sons going too... :D

The manager change his tactics while we're top of the league, unbeaten at home without conceding, and on the back of just over 100 posts on this MB thread, of which you've contributed 24, or around 25% in round numbers, and of which the majority seem to suggest that your opinion's your own? May as well stop going now Sid. :wink:

[sid swifty]

well stu...when i posted this i never expected over 100 posts...it just shows how much out of step i really am...but as i said i am genuine about how i feel...and i just hope i am able to say yes DD has changed his tactics and i am enjoying watching it again...i will certainly give it a go for a while yet...ive got to really with my sons going too... :D

The manager change his tactics while we're top of the league, unbeaten at home without conceding, and on the back of just over 100 posts on this MB thread, of which you've contributed 24, or around 25% in round numbers, and of which the majority seem to suggest that your opinion's your own? May as well stop going now Sid. :wink:

Yes Exile...the words...wall...brick...head...and against... do keep going through my mind... :D...and i think that "no goals conceded" has a lot to do with it....maybe if we let one in things would change for the better. :roll:

[ws3]

well stu...when i posted this i never expected over 100 posts...it just shows how much out of step i really am...but as i said i am genuine about how i feel...and i just hope i am able to say yes DD has changed his tactics and i am enjoying watching it again...i will certainly give it a go for a while yet...ive got to really with my sons going too... :D

The manager change his tactics while we're top of the league, unbeaten at home without conceding, and on the back of just over 100 posts on this MB thread, of which you've contributed 24, or around 25% in round numbers, and of which the majority seem to suggest that your opinion's your own? May as well stop going now Sid. :wink:

Yes Exile...the words...wall...brick...head...and against... do keep going through my mind... :D...and i think that "no goals conceded" has a lot to do with it....maybe if we let one in things would change for the better. :roll:

Good comment. I must have said a dozen times on Saturday that what we needed to do was concede to give us a kick up the ar$e. I think we are too busy protecting the clean sheet and not busy enough trying to win the games.

[Registered Saddler]

well stu...when i posted this i never expected over 100 posts...it just shows how much out of step i really am...but as i said i am genuine about how i feel...and i just hope i am able to say yes DD has changed his tactics and i am enjoying watching it again...i will certainly give it a go for a while yet...ive got to really with my sons going too... :D

The manager change his tactics while we're top of the league, unbeaten at home without conceding, and on the back of just over 100 posts on this MB thread, of which you've contributed 24, or around 25% in round numbers, and of which the majority seem to suggest that your opinion's your own? May as well stop going now Sid. :wink:

Yes Exile...the words...wall...brick...head...and against... do keep going through my mind... :D...and i think that "no goals conceded" has a lot to do with it....maybe if we let one in things would change for the better. :roll:

Good comment. I must have said a dozen times on Saturday that what we needed to do was concede to give us a kick up the ar$e. I think we are too busy protecting the clean sheet and not busy enough trying to win the games.

EH?!!! At home we've won eight out of nine! How much harder do you want us to try? Sid - I think where most people's questions lie is that they wonder whether you would be happier with us down in fourth/fifth place but having been involved in a few five-goal thrillers. Because for me (and most, I would assume) position in the league comes at the expense of entertainment value, especially when we are in with a very real chance of promotion.

If you expect us to be top AND play free-flowing pleasing-on-the-eye football week in, week out, then I'm afraid to say you're asking for the moon on a stick. It's just not going to happen, especially in this division. Your expectations are somewhat unrealistic. If we continue our current form then by the end of the season we will have 100+ points and around 80 goals. That for me ticks both boxes of winning football and plenty of entertainment.

[ws3]

well stu...when i posted this i never expected over 100 posts...it just shows how much out of step i really am...but as i said i am genuine about how i feel...and i just hope i am able to say yes DD has changed his tactics and i am enjoying watching it again...i will certainly give it a go for a while yet...ive got to really with my sons going too... :D

The manager change his tactics while we're top of the league, unbeaten at home without conceding, and on the back of just over 100 posts on this MB thread, of which you've contributed 24, or around 25% in round numbers, and of which the majority seem to suggest that your opinion's your own? May as well stop going now Sid. :wink:

Yes Exile...the words...wall...brick...head...and against... do keep going through my mind... :D...and i think that "no goals conceded" has a lot to do with it....maybe if we let one in things would change for the better. :roll:

Good comment. I must have said a dozen times on Saturday that what we needed to do was concede to give us a kick up the ar$e. I think we are too busy protecting the clean sheet and not busy enough trying to win the games.

EH?!!! At home we've won eight out of nine! How much harder do you want us to try? Sid - I think where most people's questions lie is that they wonder whether you would be happier with us down in fourth/fifth place but having been involved in a few five-goal thrillers. Because for me (and most, I would assume) position in the league comes at the expense of entertainment value, especially when we are in with a very real chance of promotion.

If you expect us to be top AND play free-flowing pleasing-on-the-eye football week in, week out, then I'm afraid to say you're asking for the moon on a stick. It's just not going to happen, especially in this division. Your expectations are somewhat unrealistic. If we continue our current form then by the end of the season we will have 100+ points and around 80 goals. That for me ticks both boxes of winning football and plenty of entertainment.

I'm not questioning the results, merely pointing out that I believe that the clean sheet record appears to be affecting the way we play. A lot of the game on Saturday was spent hoofing the ball away from our goal.

Personally I will watch that every week if the results stay the same but we must be a little more positive. Torquay were there for the taking and we were slow to exploit that.

[sid swifty]

well stu...when i posted this i never expected over 100 posts...it just shows how much out of step i really am...but as i said i am genuine about how i feel...and i just hope i am able to say yes DD has changed his tactics and i am enjoying watching it again...i will certainly give it a go for a while yet...ive got to really with my sons going too... :D

The manager change his tactics while we're top of the league, unbeaten at home without conceding, and on the back of just over 100 posts on this MB thread, of which you've contributed 24, or around 25% in round numbers, and of which the majority seem to suggest that your opinion's your own? May as well stop going now Sid. :wink:

Yes Exile...the words...wall...brick...head...and against... do keep going through my mind... :D...and i think that "no goals conceded" has a lot to do with it....maybe if we let one in things would change for the better. :roll:

Good comment. I must have said a dozen times on Saturday that what we needed to do was concede to give us a kick up the ar$e. I think we are too busy protecting the clean sheet and not busy enough trying to win the games.

EH?!!! At home we've won eight out of nine! How much harder do you want us to try? Sid - I think where most people's questions lie is that they wonder whether you would be happier with us down in fourth/fifth place but having been involved in a few five-goal thrillers. Because for me (and most, I would assume) position in the league comes at the expense of entertainment value, especially when we are in with a very real chance of promotion.

If you expect us to be top AND play free-flowing pleasing-on-the-eye football week in, week out, then I'm afraid to say you're asking for the moon on a stick. It's just not going to happen, especially in this division. Your expectations are somewhat unrealistic. If we continue our current form then by the end of the season we will have 100+ points and around 80 goals. That for me ticks both boxes of winning football and plenty of entertainment.

glad your so easily pleased RS...lets have this thread in another 3 months...see how much people have changed...and if the attendances stay near to 6,000.

[Neil Ravenscroft]

Clean sheets will win more games that they won't. Simple. If you want the "we'll try and score one more than you" philosophy, then the last two years should prove how wrong that is.

[sid swifty]

Clean sheets will win more games that they won't. Simple. If you want the "we'll try and score one more than you" philosophy, then the last two years should prove how wrong that is.

that was down to merson being a useless pratt Neil...even a manager with a very basic grasp of tactics would have done better.

[saddlerken]

You know what! I absolutely love paying £18 per game and it doesn't bother me one bit that it's not that entertaining although it's very impressive how organised we are when the opposition has the ball. We were fairly dire on Saturday but who cares, won 8 drawn 1, lost 0 at home, none conceded, I hope it stays that way for the rest of the season.

The centre midfielders are absolutely rubbish though (maybe not so rubbish if one of them was partnered by someone who knew how to pass the ball)

It would be also nice if Butler had a partner up front with him who was any good

[sid swifty]

You know what! I absolutely love paying £18 per game and it doesn't bother me one bit that it's not that entertaining although it's very impressive how organised we are when the opposition has the ball. We were fairly dire on Saturday but who cares, won 8 drawn 1, lost 0 at home, none conceded, I hope it stays that way for the rest of the season.

The centre midfielders are absolutely rubbish though (maybe not so rubbish if one of them was partnered by someone who knew how to pass the ball)

It would be also nice if Butler had a partner up front with him who was any good

I'm trying to work out if you agree with me or not ken...mixed signals there mate... :D