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Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:55 pm

Youve gotta lose everyonce in a while, sounds like we didnt create alot on the radio(althugh i dont know as i havent been to the match).

As been said before we have responded well after defeat in the past, we'll do it again.

4-0 next week anyone 8)

Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:57 pm

Where is futuresobright? :lol:

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:04 pm

aldridge steve wrote:Where is futuresobright? :lol:

Just what I was thinking!! And we must wait and see what Bernie has to say too!! :wink:

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:51 pm

After watching the game today it has reinforced the need for an attacking midfielder, we just didnt play today a huge disapointment considering the team we played.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:57 pm

That was cr@p. Wright was ineffective. We created nothing except 2 chances. Rubbish!

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:58 pm

SaigonSaddler wrote:That was cr@p. Wright was ineffective. We created nothing except 2 chances. Rubbish!

I had my thoughts about lack of peformance when I saw Keates had come on for Wright after 60 minutes! :roll:

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:05 pm

Just got back in.

I shall not ocmment on the strikers performance, being as you cant criticise people who have zero service or influence in the game.

Ince - Second BIG mistake of season, shame.

Westwood - Best of the defence I thought, still hasnt got a clue how to attack though.
Dann - Bit below par today.
Roper - I thought was dismal, caught out time and time again.
KT - Probably his worst game for us this season to be honest.

Fox - Awful and anonymous.
Dobson - Good, did the breaking up and looked like he was interested, more so than anyone else apart from the obvious.
Pead - Didnt get into the game at all.
Wright - what a disgrace. How can anyone say he is a good player, its beyond me. Truely dreadful again.

The main problem today was playing the long ball game, or playing the ball in the air, whilst it was severly windy, no idea why, The two or three chances that were good that we did create all came froma few passes along the floor, and we cut them apart. Why Oh Why did we keep lumping it? Im starting to think Ropers lack of distribution is a big hindrance to the style of football we play.

Midfield as a unit was awful. No width, no wingers, and no passion. I thought Dobbo was the only one who looked interested, Mark wright got substitued, no suprise there really, I expect him to be dropped for the next game - crap. Fox should be dropped also - crap.

The front two had no service or support all game. Par was out of sorts, understandable really when all you get is 20ft high balls laucnhed at you against beast defenders. he looked good when the ball was knocked along the floor into the channels. Butler was MOTM, ran his heart out yet again, but no service or support, Sam the same, is there a theme developign here? The only positive that could come out of today is possibly that DD can see we are a bit short on the wings and in midfield. I fully expect us to bounce back with 7 points from next 3 games though.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:09 pm

Scored the goal, looked like we were going to take them to the cleaners, then we .... just....... disappeared. Little application, marginal effort, no clue whatsoever with passes etc.

We didn't deserve anything from the game. Saying that we didn't deserve to lsoe. Mansfield were the better team but I'm convinced their second goal was knocked in by his hand. A few people are refuting that saying Clayton dropped it, I agree he did sem to fumble but sitting right behind the goal it did seem it was a "hand of God" type goal. Anyway Taylore should be blamed, he had the ball just outside the box and under no pressure turned it into the path of their player.

Fox was inneffective, I would have much preferred Keates out their giving us some width. Westwood seemed to be on another planet. The amount of times we were carved open by long balls was untrue.

Ciderquest needed to be a sub to continue to get used to the English game. I'm not slating him but large parts of the first half passed him by.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:13 pm

Daz, like we've all been saying for months, we need a creative midfielder to fit all the seperate parts of this team together. There is no creativity from the midfield. If DD really does believe the squad is complete and no midfielder is needed then there is one area I totally disagree with him about. I just hope it doesn't end up being our downfall.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:15 pm

Last time we lost, He brought in 2 strikers, I think he may, just may have a dip in the market this week now.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:17 pm

Dave I was also behind the goal, my first reaction to the second goal.....hand ball

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:23 pm

So was the ref's, did you see him look to the lindsman for what seemed like an age?

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:23 pm

Acuman wrote:Dave I was also behind the goal, my first reaction to the second goal.....hand ball

Thanks for backing me up mate. I will be happy to concede I'm wrong if TV shows differently, but at the moment I'm convinced that was knocked in by his hand.

I was the bloke about 6 or 7 rows up standing up and shouting obscenities at that linesman for the rest of the game. I'm well known for it :oops:

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:34 pm

personally I blame Dave Roe and don't think he shoul be allowed to go away again Mrs Roe :wink:

second goal was handball for me too! a poor performance today :cry:

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:35 pm

Dave Roe wrote:
Acuman wrote:Dave I was also behind the goal, my first reaction to the second goal.....hand ball

Thanks for backing me up mate. I will be happy to concede I'm wrong if TV shows differently, but at the moment I'm convinced that was knocked in by his hand.

I was the bloke about 6 or 7 rows up standing up and shouting obscenities at that linesman for the rest of the game. I'm well known for it :oops:

You don't say ! :lol:

VERY disapppointed today - couldn't go but listened to the whole game on Saddlers World and it sounded like an abysmal performance at times - in particular there was lots of criticism about us giving away the ball when under no pressure.

Many were saying last week we just need 8 wins, well sorry but no, these teams are breathing down our neck and, disastrously for us, they ALL won today, so there is NO room for any more slip ups like this one today. If we drop off the top, we could go down three places in one go with these teams all so tightly-packed below us.

I was disappointed when DD said, after the Gran Canaria trip, that we don't need any strengthening, and if this defeat proves to him that he was wrong ('cos he WAS), and if he goes out and signs a creative midfielder, then some good may come out of this setback.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:50 pm

just got back, poor performance, i agree with a few of you on here about needing a crative midfielder aswell.
With Wrighty in the team, atleast he gives us width, but was poor when he had it out wide, so my only answer to that is.... ishy, why he was'nt brought on i dont know, instead the lackluster tb comes on with 10 mins to go, poor decision.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:50 pm

wednesbury Saddler METFAN wrote:Just got back in.

I shall not ocmment on the strikers performance, being as you cant criticise people who have zero service or influence in the game.

Ince - Second BIG mistake of season, shame.

Westwood - Best of the defence I thought, still hasnt got a clue how to attack though.
Dann - Bit below par today.
Roper - I thought was dismal, caught out time and time again.
KT - Probably his worst game for us this season to be honest.

Fox - Awful and anonymous.
Dobson - Good, did the breaking up and looked like he was interested, more so than anyone else apart from the obvious.
Pead - Didnt get into the game at all.
Wright - what a disgrace. How can anyone say he is a good player, its beyond me. Truely dreadful again.

The main problem today was playing the long ball game, or playing the ball in the air, whilst it was severly windy, no idea why, The two or three chances that were good that we did create all came froma few passes along the floor, and we cut them apart. Why Oh Why did we keep lumping it? Im starting to think Ropers lack of distribution is a big hindrance to the style of football we play.

Midfield as a unit was awful. No width, no wingers, and no passion. I thought Dobbo was the only one who looked interested, Mark wright got substitued, no suprise there really, I expect him to be dropped for the next game - crap. Fox should be dropped also - crap.

The front two had no service or support all game. Par was out of sorts, understandable really when all you get is 20ft high balls laucnhed at you against beast defenders. he looked good when the ball was knocked along the floor into the channels. Butler was MOTM, ran his heart out yet again, but no service or support, Sam the same, is there a theme developign here? The only positive that could come out of today is possibly that DD can see we are a bit short on the wings and in midfield. I fully expect us to bounce back with 7 points from next 3 games though.

ince? second big mistake? their layer punched the ball into the net. clayton stopped, we stopped, the ref stopped, their players stopped.. the linesman gave a goal. crazy

wright a disgrace? how was he any worse than five or six other players? he wasnt good but then not many were

questions to money.. why drop sam? why bring bedeau into the squad in place of ishy? especially after praising him in the press this week. also, why not sort out the long ball tactics at half time. first ten minutes we played them off the park, then they caught us out with two long balls (ince saved the 1st, they scored the 2nd) and we never showed from then on :?

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:53 pm

Rubbish performance.

Cederqvist had a very bad game, for what he played of it. Wright was awful at most times. We kept playing the long ball which was getting us no-where.

Why didn't Sam start? Sam was our most effective player against Grimsby.

The fans were great, however. 940 though??? More like 1600ish.

Rubbish performance, great support.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:53 pm

wednesbury Saddler METFAN wrote:Just got back in.

I shall not ocmment on the strikers performance, being as you cant criticise people who have zero service or influence in the game.

Ince - Second BIG mistake of season, shame.

Westwood - Best of the defence I thought, still hasnt got a clue how to attack though.
Dann - Bit below par today.
Roper - I thought was dismal, caught out time and time again.
KT - Probably his worst game for us this season to be honest.

Fox - Awful and anonymous.
Dobson - Good, did the breaking up and looked like he was interested, more so than anyone else apart from the obvious.
Pead - Didnt get into the game at all.
Wright - what a disgrace. How can anyone say he is a good player, its beyond me. Truely dreadful again.

The main problem today was playing the long ball game, or playing the ball in the air, whilst it was severly windy, no idea why, The two or three chances that were good that we did create all came froma few passes along the floor, and we cut them apart. Why Oh Why did we keep lumping it? Im starting to think Ropers lack of distribution is a big hindrance to the style of football we play.

Midfield as a unit was awful. No width, no wingers, and no passion. I thought Dobbo was the only one who looked interested, Mark wright got substitued, no suprise there really, I expect him to be dropped for the next game - crap. Fox should be dropped also - crap.

The front two had no service or support all game. Par was out of sorts, understandable really when all you get is 20ft high balls laucnhed at you against beast defenders. he looked good when the ball was knocked along the floor into the channels. Butler was MOTM, ran his heart out yet again, but no service or support, Sam the same, is there a theme developign here? The only positive that could come out of today is possibly that DD can see we are a bit short on the wings and in midfield. I fully expect us to bounce back with 7 points from next 3 games though.

I'm sure i saw you on msn at 5.00? :lol:

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:57 pm

Mozza_saddler wrote:just got back, poor performance, i agree with a few of you on here about needing a crative midfielder aswell.
With Wrighty in the team, atleast he gives us width, but was poor when he had it out wide, so my only answer to that is.... ishy, why he was'nt brought on i dont know, instead the lackluster tb comes on with 10 mins to go, poor decision.

Ishy wasn't on the bench today so he couldn't have come on, although I agree he would have been a better attacking option to bring on that bedeau.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:59 pm

Gutted couldn't make it up today and gutted about result! From what i've read so far it doesn't sound good today which is surprising given Monday

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:00 pm

If its any consolation, neither Kearns/Wilford saw any problem with their 2nd goal... No question of handball, no question of a push, they didn't even mention the possibility, just put it down to a keepers error.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:00 pm

Daz, how can you say Westwood doesn't no how to attack, its not his normal job is it? He is a CB not a RB, we all know that, but today when he had the ball, most of the time his passes ended up at his teammats, and his tackling was superb.

Also, the only mistake i can say Ince made was when he came out for the ball and had the ball clipped over him towards the goal, which narrowly missed. He was too slow off his line there.

Concerning the goal, it was handball, it was blatant, Ince couldn't do anything about it really.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:06 pm

deanonev69 wrote:Gutted couldn't make it up today and gutted about result! From what i've read so far it doesn't sound good today which is surprising given Monday

We could have done with you today, you would have had a field day with the ref! :wink:

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:10 pm

Kiansmom wrote:
deanonev69 wrote:Gutted couldn't make it up today and gutted about result! From what i've read so far it doesn't sound good today which is surprising given Monday

We could have done with you today, you would have had a field day with the ref! :wink:

YOU B*S*A*D REFEREE!! :lol: :lol:

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:12 pm

Kiansmom wrote:
deanonev69 wrote:Gutted couldn't make it up today and gutted about result! From what i've read so far it doesn't sound good today which is surprising given Monday

We could have done with you today, you would have had a field day with the ref! :wink:

I scared living daylights out of you at Peterborough!!!

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:18 pm

For me their second was definitely handball, but they were the better team.

It was a very disappointing performance, what is so difficult about passing to one of your own team mates feet?

All we wanted to do today was hoof the ball in the air and we got exactly what we deserved.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:22 pm

Kiansmom wrote:personally I blame Dave Roe and don't think he shoul be allowed to go away again Mrs Roe :wink:

That's nice Linda. What have I done to deserve that ? :( :wink:

Actually that's 3 away games now and no wins (2 draws and a defeat) so perhaps for the good of our promotion push I should stay away !

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:25 pm

Well...

I don't think ive seen such a strange match in a long time. We were in the first 20 minutes, brilliant, for the rest of the game, our play was totally abject.

Our passing and movement were superb early on, but Mansfield soon worked us out, and we couldn't cope with their big man little man combination up front, or the power of the midfield. Pead struggled to get in to the game as the attacking midfielder, Dobson was his usual 'spoiler' self, so no creativity from the middle, and on the wings Wright and Fox turned in atrocious performances. Our wings are really our downfall, we fail to attack with any conviction or pace down our wings, that gives teams time to get back. We also tried playing the ball in to Butler and Par to link up together, but because of a combination of the badly cutting up pitch and Mansfields 'physical' approach, that didn't get us anywhere.

As for their second goal, my initial reaction was that Clayton was fouled. And that remains my assumption. I havent seen it for a second time, but from memory, I think their little striker jumped up and used his arm, which knocked the ball our of claytons grip, and it then bobbled in. So my gut feeling is that Clayton can't be blamed, and it was a 'hand of god' incident. But, id be interested to hear what other people thought. I honestly feel CI was fouled, and the guy used his hand to knock it in, it was weird, even the crowd were kind of surprised to see it given, and to see no freekick awarded. Even the ref wasnt sure, he looked straight over to the ref, in my mind, expecting a signal for a foul, that never game. Not surprising really as that linesman was terrible.

It's a bad result, and I said after the grimsby game that this was the all important one. At the end of the day, even if the 2nd goal was unlucky, we by no means deserved to win, and the performances of Fox, Dobson and Wright have a massive effect on the overall team, and they need to pull their socks up and dig in.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:26 pm

What's beginning to disturb me is a similarity between this season with Walsall and Dick Dosh's last season with Newcastle Jets.

Last season with Newcastle, started pretty, set off like a train, then started playing a less expansive long ball game. The long ball was ineffectual, and it cost them positions and points. The reason behind that, apparently, was key injuries to a couple of players and no funds to replace them (Aussie football is not wealthy). Well, he's got the funds here, Bonser's as good as told him, and if most of the posters on this messageboard can see we need an option to play on the floor through a creative midfielder then I wonder why nothing's been done about that.

Still, one bad result on the back of a dodgy handball doesn't end the season, and it's up to Dickie to admit he got the tactics wrong for the conditions. Onwards and upwards.

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