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Wycombe Wanderers (H) 20 December 2005 - LDV

Reports and reaction from the 2005-06 season as Walsall finished 24th (R) in League 1
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Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:35 pm

Hereford in next round please

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Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:38 pm

toffo wrote:Hereford in next round please


Scrub that , how can we be in the southern section and hereford be in the northern section. eh?

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Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:42 pm

CHELTENHAM IN THE NEXT ROUND PLEASE
SWANS CAN BE BEATEN BY cOLCHESTER
THAT WILL LEAVE IT NICE FOR A KIDDERMINSTER V WALSALL FINAL
THEY HAVE A CHANCE THE nORTHERN SECTION LOOKS EASY
sWANSEA MUST STILL BE FAVOURITES TJOUGH
WE,LL SEE
cOME ON YOU SADDLERS

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Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:42 pm

As long as it isnt Colchester away, or Swansea either at home or away!

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Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:52 pm

Very annoying total failure on Saddlers World AGAIN ! I listened in to the Wycombe commentator, same as Surrey. I tried several different games and got no problems getting commentary all over the place, so why US again?

To appease Zippy and co, thought I 'd better get on here quick and say well done to the lads for getting us through - this was a banana skin game for sure against an in-form side, so it's a relief not to get humbled.

Can't comment on the quality, had to give up on tonight so gave my ticket to ucow; he reciprocated with a number of calls to update me - so thanks for that mate - and by the time you read this, no doubt you'll be well wrecked after your birthday curry and having given it plenty with the excessive drinking.

When's the draw then folks, anybody know ?

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Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:12 pm

Another strong performance that highlighted the spirit running through the side these days. Wasn't the atmosphere good considering the side of the crowd. Guess just the real fans were there. It's great to have found Constable and Nicholls. Kris Taylor was super too.
I doubt if we will be able to keep Matty, and I expect PM will get the blame if we don't. So thank heavens PM has acted to find youngsters who might be able to take the team to the play offs.
Up the saddlers.

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Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:20 pm

geoffwhiting wrote:Very annoying total failure on Saddlers World AGAIN ! I listened in to the Wycombe commentator, same as Surrey. I tried several different games and got no problems getting commentary all over the place, so why US again?


Got this reply from the support that I contacted via Saddlers World contact form:

Good evening,

We apologies for the problems with the Walsall Commentary and any inconvenience cause from this issue beyond our control. We have been working alongside the radio station in attempt to rectify a technical difficulty. Unfortunately they have been unable to rectify this for this fixture. This issue will be escalated accordingly to avoid any further occurrence.

Regards

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Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:29 pm

Draw is live on Socceram saturday morning geoff.

It was an entertaining game, well worth the 8 quid. 7 home wins on the trot, surely its close to some record?
I thought Constable,Gerrard,Ropes and Jorge could take credit from the game, dont understand why Kinsella got MOTM, probably his go.

Colchester,Swansea or Cheltenham?? Preferably id have Swansea at home (so we dont have to play them home and away in the area final)

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Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:52 pm

Well done team for progressing. Pleased that Constable has got his first goal for the club. Good work fella.
Standing returning back from injury is good news too.

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Another mediocre performance tonight, though an infinitely more enjoyable game than on Saturday.

We were solid defensively, despite the two goals conceded, and I was pleased to see that no squad rotation was used in those positions. Roper had to deal with a real handful in Tommy Mooney and in general did well. Murphy made a hash of one long-range effort but also made a couple of excellent saves. Gerrard was excellent, again, and Bennett continues to play a lot better than I thought he would at left back.

Problem, again, was in midfield. Kinsella was utterly anonymous and if he hadn't been (truly bizarrely) named man of the match then I'd have forgotten he was playing. Taylor was OK, but not in the same form as at the start of the season, and his set piece deliveries were absolutely atrocious, with not one single corner managing to beat the first defender. Standing can't play on the wing (as anyone with a brain knew already) and was only effective when he moved inside and did some neat stuff, but this then left a gaping hole on the right wing. Leitao did his customary hardworking job on the left wing, but he can't beat a man or cross the ball, which kind of nullifies his effectiveness as a winger.

Up front we were lively all night. Fryatt played well, though should have scored when he was put though, and I was impressed with Constable, who took his goal very well and worked very hard.

Wycombe weren't very good though (Mooney apart) and so it was disappointing to concede twice against them.

Excellent result though, and bring on a home tie against Cheltenham in the next round!

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:20 am

Bristol Fan wrote:Another mediocre performance tonight, though an infinitely more enjoyable game than on Saturday.


I was disappointed that we didn't lose as well Bristol, makes it so much harder to find something to moan about! :wink: :P

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:29 am

Bristol Fan wrote:
Wycombe weren't very good though (Mooney apart) and so it was disappointing to concede twice against them.


I thought Kevin Betsy played well - always fancied having him at Walsall (though not in the biblical sense).
Too late in his career now though

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:41 am

I thought the match was entertaining - whether it was because there had to be a result and therefore Wycombe "went for it" rather than holding on for a draw. They were a very tidy side and played some nice football going forward but looked a bit dodgy at the back. I was disappointed in that we seemed to think we had it won at 2-1, sat back and got caught out 5/6 minutes from the end. Was it a lack of concentration from Ropes/Gerrard because their bloke had the freedom of the penalty area to nod the equaliser?

Just to back up Geordie's financial points from other threads, the programme last night revealed we got£20,000 from LDV for making the area semifinal with I think another £20,000 on offer if we make the area final. There are further sums payable for making the final at Cardiff. Whilst not mega bucks it presumably helps and means we dont have to go cap in hand to the first club who might make an offer for Matty in January.

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:54 am

That's great news Mike thanks for the info. Also we now have another game, which as area semi should attract a reasonable crowd, let's say 4,000 minimum wherever we play, so whatever % we get from that means that last night's win was worth upwards of 30k, and that's being very conservative, probably nearer 40 or 50k.

I fancy us to beat anyone at home to be honest, but please let it be Cheltenham!

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:23 am

The Red Prince wrote:
Bristol Fan wrote:Another mediocre performance tonight, though an infinitely more enjoyable game than on Saturday.


I was disappointed that we didn't lose as well Bristol, makes it so much harder to find something to moan about! :wink: :P


You don't have to moan at all! The biggest complaint most people have has this season is the constant chopping and changing. Last night we (yet again) kept the settled back four and made the changes only, really, in midfield, where we have an abundance of riches for this level and players who can cover for each other. Like I've said many times, it ain't rocket science. Now, if Tinkerman can resist the temptation to keep changing things when he doesn't have to . . . . . . .

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:07 am

Well done lads,not that the ldv trophy means a jot to me to be honest,but it does at least give you a line of results that i must admit have been described as "rubbish" ect, but do give you a sense that at long last we are gradually getting more confidence and could even scrape into the play-offs, but lets not get carried away just yet, eh? :lol:

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The Red Prince wrote:
Bristol Fan wrote:Another mediocre performance tonight, though an infinitely more enjoyable game than on Saturday.


I was disappointed that we didn't lose as well Bristol, makes it so much harder to find something to moan about! :wink: :P


I might moan about the performances even when we win, but it's only because I know we're capable of playing better. (If Taylor had managed to get one single corner to beat the first man, if Constable hadn't held onto the ball for far too long when he got put clean through with Fryatt screaming for the ball, if Gerrard hadn't made the mistake for their equaliser, etc etc, we could and should have won by a far greater margin.) But honestly, I don't really care how we play if we win.

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:00 am

Where's zippy? All he can do is moan about the fans. here we are celebrating a win and where is he? lightweight. :roll:

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:07 am

Exile wrote:Where's zippy? All he can do is moan about the fans. here we are celebrating a win and where is he? lightweight. :roll:


Classic! There was even a half time match report from a game we won, so he's obviously got nothing to moan about today.

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:20 am

i thought it was a decent performance which we could/maybe should have won by a far greater margin.
for once merson picked a team which made some sense, and also made sensible substitutions, hence a dencent performance.

however their goals were from the usual sources. the first was because bennett stood there and let the ball roll past him then made no attempt to stop the man crossing the ball. you could argue that someone should have been marking the man in the middle but if the ball didnt get in then there would be no danger, it was also a quality finish.
the second goal was because of the whole team trrying to play from our own 18yard box, its simple defending to push up when you clear the ball, but the defenders and midfileders were just sitting waiting for the next cross to come in. also mooney dropped off from our centre backs and no one followed him, which he started doing in the 2nd half and i cant remember him being marked once.

i know it may seem that i am being negative but it is always simple defensive errors that cost us goals and they always seem to be in the same areas. ie:bennett is not a left back.

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LancsSaddler wrote:i know it may seem that i am being negative but it is always simple defensive errors that cost us goals and they always seem to be in the same areas. ie:bennett is not a left back.


No it isnt! It's a good point, especially as too many people seem to think he can play there. The overall point, however, is that I can see that, you can, so how come the coaches can't? We let teams get too many crosses into the box.

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:37 am

A decent performance on thew whole, with Fryatt, Constable, Roper and Gerrard particularly standing out.

Good to see that we kept to the same defense that has been doing so well for us lately.

However, I think its about time that Fox was recalled to the back line.
For all of Bennett's attributes he isnt a Full-Back.
Too many times Betsy was give almost a free license to do what ever he wanted. Bennett just couldn't handle him, and couldnt stop the crosses from coming in.
Having said that, Bennett did make a couple of timely tackles and interceptions when covering in behind the Centre-Backs... so his contribution has to be recognised.

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:43 am

Bristol Fan wrote:Another mediocre performance tonight, though an infinitely more enjoyable game than on Saturday.

We were solid defensively, despite the two goals conceded, and I was pleased to see that no squad rotation was used in those positions. Roper had to deal with a real handful in Tommy Mooney and in general did well. Murphy made a hash of one long-range effort but also made a couple of excellent saves. Gerrard was excellent, again, and Bennett continues to play a lot better than I thought he would at left back.

Problem, again, was in midfield. Kinsella was utterly anonymous and if he hadn't been (truly bizarrely) named man of the match then I'd have forgotten he was playing. Taylor was OK, but not in the same form as at the start of the season, and his set piece deliveries were absolutely atrocious, with not one single corner managing to beat the first defender. Standing can't play on the wing (as anyone with a brain knew already) and was only effective when he moved inside and did some neat stuff, but this then left a gaping hole on the right wing. Leitao did his customary hardworking job on the left wing, but he can't beat a man or cross the ball, which kind of nullifies his effectiveness as a winger.

Up front we were lively all night. Fryatt played well, though should have scored when he was put though, and I was impressed with Constable, who took his goal very well and worked very hard.

Wycombe weren't very good though (Mooney apart) and so it was disappointing to concede twice against them.

Excellent result though, and bring on a home tie against Cheltenham in the next round!


It's not very often I don't agree with you Bristol, especially regarding the matches but I think you are being a little harsh.

Wycombe were a decent side in my opinon although they do owe most of that to Mooney as you say but they were good overall and I could see why they're doing so well in League 2.

We weren't brilliant in midfield but I was glad to see both Standing and Taylor start. They are similar players and offer a bit of balance although more suited to playing more centrally. I thought Taylor had a good game, especially in the first half his work for Bennett's goal was brilliant.

We linked up well at times in the first half and also towards the end, the move for Jorge's goal was brilliant starting inside our own half and involving Fryatt and a nice touch from Nicholls.

I disagree about Cheltenham in the draw. I think Swansea are easily the best side left and will beat most teams they draw except maybe us at home so for that reason I'd prefer them at home in the draw so we don't have to play them over two legs in the are final which I don't think we'd beat them in.

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:35 pm

did'nt go last night
pleased with the win although merse not to happy with our second half
performance chuffed constable notched i hope he gets run in the
team semis now lets hope we avoid swansea and get another home
tie and who knows a trip to cardiff may be on the way

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A lot brighter last night I thought. Enjoyed the match 1,000,000% more than Saturday. We should have buried them in the second half. We looked very uncomfortable at 2-2. I turned to my mate and said "In the famous words of Kevin Keegan 'There's only one team going to win this'" and then after Jorge's excellent goal I said "In the famous words of David Roe 'Thank fudge for that'".

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:21 pm

not much as been said about Standings return
how did you rate him dave on last nights performance :?:

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:48 pm

I thought he did well. Got involved in a lot in the first half and linked up well with all around him. I think he's a good player and is unfortunate to keep fading in and out of the first team which his injuries don't help. Much better in a more central role than last night though.

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:52 pm

yeah MMF gets back into the side looks good then gets injured
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Magic Man Fan wrote:I disagree about Cheltenham in the draw. I think Swansea are easily the best side left and will beat most teams they draw except maybe us at home so for that reason I'd prefer them at home in the draw so we don't have to play them over two legs in the are final which I don't think we'd beat them in.


You're right - I hadn't thought of that.

A couple of interesting coaching instructions from Merson last night.

Someone mentioned that when Mooney started dropping off and playing deeper, which caused us problems, neither of our centre backs picked him up. Actually Roper did for a short while, since he was man-marking him, but Merson specifically told him not to.

Also, Standing spent the first few minutes of the match dropping back and supporting Pead, but again Merson told him to stand further up field and not go back.

I thought both were very odd instructions. But we won the game, so what do I know!?

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Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:11 pm

toffo its down the the way the top teams in the confrence finished so to get teh same amount of confrence teams in the northern ans southeren sections some of the sides are playing in the northern section even though they are more southernly than we are. hope that helps you

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